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Crucial

Also, I'm a SWaugh fanboy. I mis-typed 'lick' instead of 'pick' and considered leaving it alone. FML.

Considering that he was a bit of a fluffybunny that makes sense

MN5

@mn5 said in The Ashes:

Can some cricket nerd get Walter Hammonds average in ashes cricket? I can't fathom him not being in there somewhere.

33 matches, 2852 runs at 51.85, 9 hundreds, 36 wickets at 44.77, 43 catches. Useful .....

Definitely but judging by that he obviously boosted the overall test average to 58 by flogging shit teams like NZ. I stand corrected, Tugga and Captain Grumpy are better options.

nzzp

@crucial said in The Ashes:

@nzzp said in The Ashes:

Also, I'm a SWaugh fanboy. I mis-typed 'lick' instead of 'pick' and considered leaving it alone. FML.

Considering that he was a bit of a fluffybunny that makes sense

Yep, but that usually makes a good international cricketer.

KiwiPie

@mn5 said in The Ashes:

@kiwipie said in The Ashes:

@mn5 said in The Ashes:

Can some cricket nerd get Walter Hammonds average in ashes cricket? I can't fathom him not being in there somewhere.

33 matches, 2852 runs at 51.85, 9 hundreds, 36 wickets at 44.77, 43 catches. Useful .....

Definitely but judging by that he obviously boosted the overall test average to 58 by flogging shit teams like NZ. I stand corrected, Tugga and Captain Grumpy are better options.

Just because he once averaged 563 in a 2 match series v NZ in 1933?

MN5

@kiwipie said in The Ashes:

@mn5 said in The Ashes:

@kiwipie said in The Ashes:

@mn5 said in The Ashes:

Can some cricket nerd get Walter Hammonds average in ashes cricket? I can't fathom him not being in there somewhere.

33 matches, 2852 runs at 51.85, 9 hundreds, 36 wickets at 44.77, 43 catches. Useful .....

Definitely but judging by that he obviously boosted the overall test average to 58 by flogging shit teams like NZ. I stand corrected, Tugga and Captain Grumpy are better options.

Just because he once averaged 563 in a 2 match series v NZ in 1933?

Was that the same series NZ got bowled out for 26?

dogmeat

@mn5 No - Anybody with a passing interest in cricket should know a few dates and stories and March 1955 is high amongst them along with Xmas 53 Mar 74 Feb 78 ....

MN5

@dogmeat said in The Ashes:

@mn5 No - Anybody with a passing interest in cricket should know a few dates and stories and March 1955 is high amongst them along with Xmas 53 Mar 74 Feb 78 ....

Youve got me old timer. Im hoping one of these is a story about Paddles shortened run?

dogmeat

@mn5 Tangiwai Test - first victory over Oz - First victory over England

I can be even more boring than usual over cricket anniversaries

MN5

@dogmeat said in The Ashes:

@mn5 Tangiwai Test - first victory over Oz - First victory over England

I can be even more boring than usual over cricket anniversaries

I remember i had a paddles VHS. The England victory was at the basin right?

KiwiPie

@dogmeat What about October 2000?

dogmeat

@MN5 Correct. Set NZ cricket fans up nicely for the tour of England later that year - which we lost 3-0. Modern fans moan about inconsistent Black Caps. I remember when we were all too consistent. Lose to everyone Home and away which is why those two victories in the 70's sit large in my memory. Plus got of geography to listen to the cricket in 74 and sat in front of TV with a few beers for the England victory

@Kiwipie I'm a traditionalist - restricted myself to Test cricket

MN5

Beefy makes the team based on one incredible ashes. How did he go in others?

( again, I can't access that info on a smartphone )

KiwiPie

@mn5 said in The Ashes:

Beefy makes the team based on one incredible ashes. How did he go in others?

( again, I can't access that info on a smartphone )

He was always a bit hit and miss with the bat - but with the ball there were 2 phases to his career. A superb, fast medium swing bowler until his back went and then a chubby trundler afterwards who could still bowl the odd jaffa (and had the mentality that he was still a hostile quick)

After that 1981 series he had 87 wickets against Australia at 22.67. From then on it was 61 wickets at 34.77.

dogmeat

@kiwipie said in The Ashes:

@mn5 said in The Ashes:

Beefy makes the team based on one incredible ashes. How did he go in others?

( again, I can't access that info on a smartphone )

He was always a bit hit and miss with the bat - but with the ball there were 2 phases to his career. A superb, fast medium swing bowler until his back went and then a chubby trundler afterwards who could still bowl ~~the odd jaffa~~ batsmen out with his stock ball; a long hop outside off, that surprised them into a false shot because they couldn't believe how crap he was (and had the mentality that he was still a hostile quick)

After that 1981 series he had 87 wickets against Australia at 22.67. From then on it was 61 wickets at 34.77.

Amended to better reflect my memories of Beefy post 81

nzzp

@mn5 said in The Ashes:

Beefy makes the team based on one incredible ashes. How did he go in others?

This is the eternal question for these 'best XI' though. Is it a flash of brilliance, or consistency that gets rewarded. Are you picking someone for a career, or at their best for a single game? And what about partnerships - we know Warne and McGrath were great together -- like Langer and Hayden. Do you pick an opening partnership, or two great openers.

MN5

@nzzp said in The Ashes:

@mn5 said in The Ashes:

Beefy makes the team based on one incredible ashes. How did he go in others?

This is the eternal question for these 'best XI' though. Is it a flash of brilliance, or consistency that gets rewarded. Are you picking someone for a career, or at their best for a single game? And what about partnerships - we know Warne and McGrath were great together -- like Langer and Hayden. Do you pick an opening partnership, or two great openers.

Beefys overall stats are remarkably similar to Chris Cairns but he is obviously regarded far higher than our boy who didn't even make the prestigious all time fern XI...

Chris B.

For ease of reference:

Highest Ashes batting averages:

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/records/batting/highest_career_batting_average.html?id=1;type=trophy

Lowest Ashes bowling averages:
http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/records/bowling/best_career_bowling_average.html?id=1;type=trophy

MN5

@chris-b said in The Ashes:

For ease of reference:

Highest Ashes batting averages:

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/records/batting/highest_career_batting_average.html?id=1;type=trophy

Lowest Ashes bowling averages:
http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/records/bowling/best_career_bowling_average.html?id=1;type=trophy

Tugga and Border make it for longevity as much as anything as quite a few blokes can make cases for inclusion. Hutton, Barrington and Sutcliffe to name a few.

No Jimmy Anderson on the list.

dogmeat

@kiwipie said in The Ashes:

For the time before the 2 test matches start - this XI was voted for on the BBC Sport website based on performances in Ashes tests. In my best Murray Deaker voice "Yours please"

Hobbs
Boycott
Bradman
Border
S. Waugh
Botham
Gilchrist
Warne
Lillee
McGrath
Anderson

I can't believe they didn't se the team I picked and close off the poll with a satisfied "that's that done then"

FWIW from memory I had Hutton for Boycott (might have gone Hayden), Hammond for Border, Miller for Botham and Barnes for Anderson

MN5

@dogmeat said in The Ashes:

@kiwipie said in The Ashes:

For the time before the 2 test matches start - this XI was voted for on the BBC Sport website based on performances in Ashes tests. In my best Murray Deaker voice "Yours please"

Hobbs
Boycott
Bradman
Border
S. Waugh
Botham
Gilchrist
Warne
Lillee
McGrath
Anderson

I can't believe they didn't se the team I picked and close off the poll with a satisfied "that's that done then"

FWIW from memory I had Hutton for Boycott (might have gone Hayden), Hammond for Border, Miller for Botham and Barnes for Anderson

Bradman only averaged 89 in the Ashes. He's lucky to scrape in to be honest.

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