Parker v ??
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@african-monkey said in Parker v ??:
Still can't see this fight happening for a while tbh. I'm still expecting Lucas Browne to be next for Parker.
Parker would be silly to take on anyone other than a prize fight or an easy beat. A slip up now would result in losing everything and going back to the pack as an unwanted opponent.
@crucial I would consider Browne as an easy beat for Parker. He's slow with little movement and has a lack of skill to trouble Parker. The only thing Browne has going for him is power and heart.
If this fight were to happen I would back Parker either by late KO or a wide UD.
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@mimic Would be a very good fight but Browne is looking to cash out so unfortunately that fight will never happen.
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A fairly tame tweet from Parker has really got to Joshua, who is now starting to come across as precious.
https://twitter.com/joeboxerparker/status/938671371344756736
https://www.google.com.au/amp/www.bbc.co.uk/sport/amp/boxing/42277287
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A fairly tame tweet from Parker has really got to Joshua, who is now starting to come across as precious.
https://twitter.com/joeboxerparker/status/938671371344756736
https://www.google.com.au/amp/www.bbc.co.uk/sport/amp/boxing/42277287
@raznomore trying to talk smack doesnt seem natural to JP
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@raznomore trying to talk smack doesnt seem natural to JP
@taniwharugby I think if he's left to come up with this shit himself it's better than what ever cringe worthy nonsense Higgins or Barry spew up.
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I think Hearn actually holds most of the cards to be honest despite all the noise coming out of the Duco camp ,
Titles aside , when it comes to money Joshua can earn big bucks no matter who he fights , Joe is just another one in line , on neutral boxing sites there is far more interest in a Joshua Wilder match up than a Parker one , particularly from British fans ,
Parker has one ticket to a big pay day ATM and that is against Joshua , even at 30 % he would be earning a lot more than he can anywhere else , by a long way , and Hearn knows it
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I think Hearn actually holds most of the cards to be honest despite all the noise coming out of the Duco camp ,
Titles aside , when it comes to money Joshua can earn big bucks no matter who he fights , Joe is just another one in line , on neutral boxing sites there is far more interest in a Joshua Wilder match up than a Parker one , particularly from British fans ,
Parker has one ticket to a big pay day ATM and that is against Joshua , even at 30 % he would be earning a lot more than he can anywhere else , by a long way , and Hearn knows it
@kiwiinmelb said in Parker v ??:
Titles aside , when it comes to money Joshua can earn big bucks no matter who he fights , Joe is just another one in line , on neutral boxing sites there is far more interest in a Joshua Wilder match up than a Parker one , particularly from British fans ,
But Wilder wants a 50-50 split so that fight is less likely to happen. He is going to fight Ortiz.
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@kiwiinmelb said in Parker v ??:
Titles aside , when it comes to money Joshua can earn big bucks no matter who he fights , Joe is just another one in line , on neutral boxing sites there is far more interest in a Joshua Wilder match up than a Parker one , particularly from British fans ,
But Wilder wants a 50-50 split so that fight is less likely to happen. He is going to fight Ortiz.
@bovidae yeah he has no chance of getting that , but that is the fight Joshua fans want , they dont seem to be overly excited by a fight with Parker
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I think Hearn actually holds most of the cards to be honest despite all the noise coming out of the Duco camp ,
Titles aside , when it comes to money Joshua can earn big bucks no matter who he fights , Joe is just another one in line , on neutral boxing sites there is far more interest in a Joshua Wilder match up than a Parker one , particularly from British fans ,
Parker has one ticket to a big pay day ATM and that is against Joshua , even at 30 % he would be earning a lot more than he can anywhere else , by a long way , and Hearn knows it
@kiwiinmelb said in Parker v ??:
I think Hearn actually holds most of the cards to be honest despite all the noise coming out of the Duco camp ,
Titles aside , when it comes to money Joshua can earn big bucks no matter who he fights , Joe is just another one in line , on neutral boxing sites there is far more interest in a Joshua Wilder match up than a Parker one , particularly from British fans ,
Parker has one ticket to a big pay day ATM and that is against Joshua , even at 30 % he would be earning a lot more than he can anywhere else , by a long way , and Hearn knows it
Which is exactly why JP and co are calling AJ out based on his own comments about unifying the belts. They know they aren't the biggest draw card but they are a necessary fight if AJ is going to follow his own mouth.
The earlier they get in the ring the more chance JP has of an upset. They don't want AJ getting more top level experience before the fight.
If you don't think a title bout will get the Brit crowds to pay big money for tickets you are kidding yourself. Wilder may be a stronger name but only AJs name matters at this point. -
Joshua only seems to want a unification fight on his terms but I don't think what Duco are asking for is unreasonable. Forget about who might be the bigger drawcard (in the UK), it should be a 66%-33% split based on having 2 titles vs 1 title. Joshua is coming across as precious so Duco is likely betting on his ego getting the better of him, and demanding that the fight take place at the terms they want (65%-35%).
I would find it funny if Parker ends up fighting Wilder first as the winner of that fight would then have more leverage over Hearn and Joshua.
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Joshua only seems to want a unification fight on his terms but I don't think what Duco are asking for is unreasonable. Forget about who might be the bigger drawcard (in the UK), it should be a 66%-33% split based on having 2 titles vs 1 title. Joshua is coming across as precious so Duco is likely betting on his ego getting the better of him, and demanding that the fight take place at the terms they want (65%-35%).
I would find it funny if Parker ends up fighting Wilder first as the winner of that fight would then have more leverage over Hearn and Joshua.
@bovidae said in Parker v ??:
Joshua only seems to want a unification fight on his terms but I don't think what Duco are asking for is unreasonable. Forget about who might be the bigger drawcard (in the UK), it should be a 66%-33% split based on having 2 titles vs 1 title. Joshua is coming across as precious so Duco is likely betting on his ego getting the better of him, and demanding that the fight take place at the terms they want (65%-35%).
I would find it funny if Parker ends up fighting Wilder first as the winner of that fight would then have more leverage over Hearn and Joshua.
I have to wonder if that actually is the plan by Hearn anyway. Less risky to take on one of JP and DW rather than both.
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Joshua only seems to want a unification fight on his terms but I don't think what Duco are asking for is unreasonable. Forget about who might be the bigger drawcard (in the UK), it should be a 66%-33% split based on having 2 titles vs 1 title. Joshua is coming across as precious so Duco is likely betting on his ego getting the better of him, and demanding that the fight take place at the terms they want (65%-35%).
I would find it funny if Parker ends up fighting Wilder first as the winner of that fight would then have more leverage over Hearn and Joshua.
@bovidae said in Parker v ??:
Joshua only seems to want a unification fight on his terms but I don't think what Duco are asking for is unreasonable. Forget about who might be the bigger drawcard (in the UK), it should be a 66%-33% split based on having 2 titles vs 1 title. Joshua is coming across as precious so Duco is likely betting on his ego getting the better of him, and demanding that the fight take place at the terms they want (65%-35%).
I would find it funny if Parker ends up fighting Wilder first as the winner of that fight would then have more leverage over Hearn and Joshua.
it doesnt really work like that , ( the titles) it helps
its more about who brings the money to the table from PPV sales , that is the biggest negotiating tool for the money part ,
Mayweather could come back with no titles and still demand more money than anyone else against title holders and get it ,
But Parker has to get what he can from this and cash in the best he can , lose , he is in danger of slipping right down the pecking order , the opportunity may never come again
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@bovidae said in Parker v ??:
Joshua only seems to want a unification fight on his terms but I don't think what Duco are asking for is unreasonable. Forget about who might be the bigger drawcard (in the UK), it should be a 66%-33% split based on having 2 titles vs 1 title. Joshua is coming across as precious so Duco is likely betting on his ego getting the better of him, and demanding that the fight take place at the terms they want (65%-35%).
I would find it funny if Parker ends up fighting Wilder first as the winner of that fight would then have more leverage over Hearn and Joshua.
it doesnt really work like that , ( the titles) it helps
its more about who brings the money to the table from PPV sales , that is the biggest negotiating tool for the money part ,
Mayweather could come back with no titles and still demand more money than anyone else against title holders and get it ,
But Parker has to get what he can from this and cash in the best he can , lose , he is in danger of slipping right down the pecking order , the opportunity may never come again
@kiwiinmelb said in Parker v ??:
@bovidae said in Parker v ??:
Joshua only seems to want a unification fight on his terms but I don't think what Duco are asking for is unreasonable. Forget about who might be the bigger drawcard (in the UK), it should be a 66%-33% split based on having 2 titles vs 1 title. Joshua is coming across as precious so Duco is likely betting on his ego getting the better of him, and demanding that the fight take place at the terms they want (65%-35%).
I would find it funny if Parker ends up fighting Wilder first as the winner of that fight would then have more leverage over Hearn and Joshua.
it doesnt really work like that , ( the titles) it helps
its more about who brings the money to the table from PPV sales , that is the biggest negotiating tool for the money part ,
Mayweather could come back with no titles and still demand more money than anyone else against title holders and get it ,
But Parker has to get what he can from this and cash in the best he can , lose , he is in danger of slipping right down the pecking order , the opportunity may never come again
Agreed, and the one asset he has to force that pay off is a title that AJ wants.
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It will depend on how much Joshua wants the other 2 belts. If he really wants to unify the titles then he will have to make some concessions too. A genuine question, how much profile does Joshua have in the US?
Wilder has never fought outside of North/Central America so I don't think he'll take a fight in the UK for peanuts.
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yeah , I think the titles are a bit of a smokescreen in modern boxing to be honest , almost more of a marketing tool to help sell fights to the fans ,
they have their value , but not like the old days where it meant everything ,
these days in modern boxing , money rules over everything else
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@kiwiinmelb said in Parker v ??:
Titles aside , when it comes to money Joshua can earn big bucks no matter who he fights , Joe is just another one in line , on neutral boxing sites there is far more interest in a Joshua Wilder match up than a Parker one , particularly from British fans ,
But Wilder wants a 50-50 split so that fight is less likely to happen. He is going to fight Ortiz.
@bovidae Hah! I wish Wilder would step up like that but he'll no doubt go back and fight someone lke Dominic Breazeale next. He's happy just fighting in Alabama for his 1.3 million paydays against guys who are barely rated in the top 30.
Personally I think what Duco are asking is more than reasonable. They cop a lot of stick for the way they go about things at times but they've done a very good job getting Parker to where he is today.
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Ortiz fought this past week. Wilder was there and called him out post fight, in ring. It was weird as Ortiz has the language barrier, being Cuban, and Wilder speaks a version of English that is as far from the mother tongue as it gets before its not actually English anymore.
But the grand sum was they are going to fight. Ortiz looked flabby and took much longer to put away his opponent than he should have. He's 38 now and after a career of being on PEDs he's clearly trying to end it without(to get the title shots) and it shows. He's been injured but to me it was all a rouse to get off the gear. Wilder Probably wins if Ortiz remains in this condition. If King Kong gets in shape, he wins and easily IMO.
So it'll be interesting to see what happens in the next few months. Parker is in Brisbane for the Horn 1st defense fight and there will be a meeting with Lucas Browne's people no doubt.
AJ will be sitting there in his glass tower that is the top of the division, waiting for everything to fall into place.
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Wilder has had 39 fights and his best opponent is probably Johann Duhaupas which really says it all about him in terms of ambition.
