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Blues 2018

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  • BonesB Bones

    @wurzel said in Blues 2018:

    Pulu strikes me as someone with a bit of a discipline problem, and often seems to have bad rapport with refs. Would be well down my list of potential captains.

    Can't say I've ever noticed this, apart from the odd high shot. Care to point out some examples?

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    @bones said in Blues 2018:

    @wurzel said in Blues 2018:

    Pulu strikes me as someone with a bit of a discipline problem, and often seems to have bad rapport with refs. Would be well down my list of potential captains.

    Can't say I've ever noticed this, apart from the odd high shot. Care to point out some examples?

    Pulling the padding off the post in the recent npc game was a pretty stupid move. Not something i'd want my captain doing.

    While i think the Blues need to change things up a bit im not sure Pulu is the guy to do it. Don't ask me who is though. SBW?

    It's the second time i've seen the point about the Blues ABs turning up after the Lions with a "poor attitude". Kind of a weird thing to bring up. Firstly there aren't many Blues ABs so it is really singling these guys out. Secondly the Blues season was well and truely over by then. The attitude of the ABs post lions had nothing to do with that.

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      https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/super-rugby/99471538/tana-umagas-bold-plan-to-end-madness-and-drag-blues-out-of-cycle-of-mediocrity

      Dave Ellis knows his shit.

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        #180

        Adrian Smith, Jacob Pierce, Lewis Gjaltema, and Jordan Hyland training with the Blues.

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          Adrian Smith, Jacob Pierce, Lewis Gjaltema, and Jordan Hyland training with the Blues.

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          @tim Yes from the article posted by @Daffy-Jaffy from 1 December (it confusingly mentions 9 players then names 8, so I wonder if the 9th is Adrian Smith).

          Four young players, all part of the Blues Under-20s and selected for the New Zealand Under-20 training squad, join the Blues for 10 weeks fulltime training as part of the Interim Training Contract scheme. They are Rob Cobb, Hoskins Sotutu, Harry Plummer and Tanielu Tele’a.
          
          There are a further nine players who have joined as replacements for injured or for All Blacks and Maori All Blacks who are staged back into Super Rugby in January. The eight are Marcel Renata (Auckland), Ross Wright (Northland), Jacob Pierce (Auckland), Antonio Kirikiri (Manawatu), Lewis Gjaltema (North Harbour), Orbyn Leger (Counties Manukau), Sione Havili (Auckland) and Jordan Hyland (Northland).
          

          http://theblues.co.nz/blues-leadership-guided-pulu-2018-super-rugby-season/

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          • KiwiMurphK KiwiMurph

            @tim Yes from the article posted by @Daffy-Jaffy from 1 December (it confusingly mentions 9 players then names 8, so I wonder if the 9th is Adrian Smith).

            Four young players, all part of the Blues Under-20s and selected for the New Zealand Under-20 training squad, join the Blues for 10 weeks fulltime training as part of the Interim Training Contract scheme. They are Rob Cobb, Hoskins Sotutu, Harry Plummer and Tanielu Tele’a.
            
            There are a further nine players who have joined as replacements for injured or for All Blacks and Maori All Blacks who are staged back into Super Rugby in January. The eight are Marcel Renata (Auckland), Ross Wright (Northland), Jacob Pierce (Auckland), Antonio Kirikiri (Manawatu), Lewis Gjaltema (North Harbour), Orbyn Leger (Counties Manukau), Sione Havili (Auckland) and Jordan Hyland (Northland).
            

            http://theblues.co.nz/blues-leadership-guided-pulu-2018-super-rugby-season/

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            @kiwimurph Ah, I had forgotten about that.

            Pierce is 201 cm, so might be the next lineout lock we've been looking for.

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              Mils Muliaina is coaching Grammar TEC's backs this year.

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                #184

                From the main squad, extended training squad, and players known to be training with the Blues, the following (who are not unavailable due to AB commitments) are not in the squad for the Chiefs game:

                Mafileo
                Smith
                Cobb

                Parsons
                Apisai
                Moulds

                Scrafton

                Gibson
                Pryor

                Gjaltema
                Johnson

                Of those, Gjaltema is fourth halfback, and Smith and Cobb are the seventh (and backup hooker) and eighth props, and Johnson is out for the season.

                Parsons and Gibson had shoulder surgery in the off-season, and Scrafton had his early in the NPC season. Gibson is expected to miss the first few rounds, and I'd imagine Parsons might miss some too. Haven't seen him in training pics. Hopefully Scrafton will be available from the start - he's been in training pics from before Christmas.

                I am wondering if they are using this game to decide on a fourth hooker to cover for Parsons, rather than having an injury crisis.

                IIRC, Pryor had off-season surgery too, but has been training with the team, so am hoping that he, Scrafton, and Parsons are being eased back in, and will be available in round one.

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                • TimT Tim

                  From the main squad, extended training squad, and players known to be training with the Blues, the following (who are not unavailable due to AB commitments) are not in the squad for the Chiefs game:

                  Mafileo
                  Smith
                  Cobb

                  Parsons
                  Apisai
                  Moulds

                  Scrafton

                  Gibson
                  Pryor

                  Gjaltema
                  Johnson

                  Of those, Gjaltema is fourth halfback, and Smith and Cobb are the seventh (and backup hooker) and eighth props, and Johnson is out for the season.

                  Parsons and Gibson had shoulder surgery in the off-season, and Scrafton had his early in the NPC season. Gibson is expected to miss the first few rounds, and I'd imagine Parsons might miss some too. Haven't seen him in training pics. Hopefully Scrafton will be available from the start - he's been in training pics from before Christmas.

                  I am wondering if they are using this game to decide on a fourth hooker to cover for Parsons, rather than having an injury crisis.

                  IIRC, Pryor had off-season surgery too, but has been training with the team, so am hoping that he, Scrafton, and Parsons are being eased back in, and will be available in round one.

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                  @tim said in Blues 2018:

                  I am wondering if they are using this game to decide on a fourth hooker to cover for Parsons, rather than having an injury crisis.

                  They have a lot of hookers in the extended team. Wright, Eklund, Olsen and Adrian Smith has been training with Blues too.

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                    #186

                    Based on the above, I am hoping that the team for the opening round will be:

                    1. Hodgman
                    2. Parsons/Moulds
                    3. Tu'ungafasi
                    4. Tuipulotu
                    5. Scrafton
                    6. Kaino
                    7. Pryor
                    8. Ioane
                    9. Pulu
                    10. Perofeta
                    11. Ioane
                    12. SBW
                    13. Moala
                    14. Nanai
                    15. Duffie
                    16. Moulds/Apisai
                    17. Manu
                    18. Tamoaieta
                    19. Cowley-Tuioiti
                    20. Taramai/Papalii
                    21. Nock
                    22. Gatland
                    23. Faiane/Collins

                    Midfield is really tough to pick. I wouldn't be surprised to see Faiane at 12, Ioane at 13, Collins at 15, with SBW on the bench.

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                    • TimT Tim

                      Based on the above, I am hoping that the team for the opening round will be:

                      1. Hodgman
                      2. Parsons/Moulds
                      3. Tu'ungafasi
                      4. Tuipulotu
                      5. Scrafton
                      6. Kaino
                      7. Pryor
                      8. Ioane
                      9. Pulu
                      10. Perofeta
                      11. Ioane
                      12. SBW
                      13. Moala
                      14. Nanai
                      15. Duffie
                      16. Moulds/Apisai
                      17. Manu
                      18. Tamoaieta
                      19. Cowley-Tuioiti
                      20. Taramai/Papalii
                      21. Nock
                      22. Gatland
                      23. Faiane/Collins

                      Midfield is really tough to pick. I wouldn't be surprised to see Faiane at 12, Ioane at 13, Collins at 15, with SBW on the bench.

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                      @tim Id start Manu at loosehead - safer call.

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                        One thing I will say - Blues Brisbane 10s side should be better than last year even if they send a development squad again (+ King Carlos) - their extended squad looks a lot better than what they had last year.

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                        • TimT Tim

                          Based on the above, I am hoping that the team for the opening round will be:

                          1. Hodgman
                          2. Parsons/Moulds
                          3. Tu'ungafasi
                          4. Tuipulotu
                          5. Scrafton
                          6. Kaino
                          7. Pryor
                          8. Ioane
                          9. Pulu
                          10. Perofeta
                          11. Ioane
                          12. SBW
                          13. Moala
                          14. Nanai
                          15. Duffie
                          16. Moulds/Apisai
                          17. Manu
                          18. Tamoaieta
                          19. Cowley-Tuioiti
                          20. Taramai/Papalii
                          21. Nock
                          22. Gatland
                          23. Faiane/Collins

                          Midfield is really tough to pick. I wouldn't be surprised to see Faiane at 12, Ioane at 13, Collins at 15, with SBW on the bench.

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                          @tim Yeah, midfield will be tricky to figure out. Can't say I'm keen on the SBW/Moala midfield though - a bit too Warrenball for my liking.

                          Unless Moala is performing really well, I'd like to see Moala used as mostly an impact bench option this season.

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                            @tim Yeah, midfield will be tricky to figure out. Can't say I'm keen on the SBW/Moala midfield though - a bit too Warrenball for my liking.

                            Unless Moala is performing really well, I'd like to see Moala used as mostly an impact bench option this season.

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                            Tim
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                            @dice Do you prefer SBW/Ioane or Faiane/SBW?

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                              @dice Do you prefer SBW/Ioane or Faiane/SBW?

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                              Dice
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                              @tim said in Blues 2018:

                              @dice Do you prefer SBW/Ioane or Faiane/SBW?

                              That's a hard one, because I think both can get good results for us, but I'm not sure I want to move Rieko off the wing yet, just because he's on fire out there.

                              I do like the idea of SBW at centre with Faiane at 12, because SBW's best plays last season often came in the wider channels where he could get more one on one situations and he could easily get his arms freer for offloads. With his declining explosiveness, he's finding it harder to get the linebreaks and offloads at 12 with more bodies around him, but out wider, he's still a big mismatch.

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                                @tim said in Blues 2018:

                                @dice Do you prefer SBW/Ioane or Faiane/SBW?

                                That's a hard one, because I think both can get good results for us, but I'm not sure I want to move Rieko off the wing yet, just because he's on fire out there.

                                I do like the idea of SBW at centre with Faiane at 12, because SBW's best plays last season often came in the wider channels where he could get more one on one situations and he could easily get his arms freer for offloads. With his declining explosiveness, he's finding it harder to get the linebreaks and offloads at 12 with more bodies around him, but out wider, he's still a big mismatch.

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                                @dice plus if you have SBW @13 and Ioane @11 to defend, is probably a tougher prospect that knowing you just need to tackle MOala at 13.

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                                  @dice plus if you have SBW @13 and Ioane @11 to defend, is probably a tougher prospect that knowing you just need to tackle MOala at 13.

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                                  @taniwharugby said in Blues 2018:

                                  @dice plus if you have SBW @13 and Ioane @11 to defend, is probably a tougher prospect that knowing you just need to tackle MOala at 13.

                                  'Just tackling' Moala is easily said than done. He's got a cutting edge on and off the field.

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                                    No use having an 11 and 14 if you have a SBW, Moala midfield unless you are banking on getting a lot of kick possession.

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                                      SBW edges Moala for vision and distribution imo. Sonny looked to have gained a bit of pace but extra gas at centre is awesome... if you get the other core skills covered. I hope some of the younger midfielders get a sniff.

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                                        http://www.newshub.co.nz/home/sport/2018/02/super-rugby-blues-coach-tana-umaga-hoping-wounded-troops-will-be-good-to-go-for-season-opener.html

                                        Blues boss Tana Umaga expects most of his troops - but perhaps not Stephen Perofeta - to be injury-free by the start of Super Rugby action.
                                        
                                        Kirkpatrick is also currently hurt but likely to be fit and firing imminently.
                                        
                                        He listed forward Ross Wright as a player who impressed against the Chiefs.
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                                          http://www.newshub.co.nz/home/sport/2018/02/super-rugby-blues-coach-tana-umaga-hoping-wounded-troops-will-be-good-to-go-for-season-opener.html

                                          Blues boss Tana Umaga expects most of his troops - but perhaps not Stephen Perofeta - to be injury-free by the start of Super Rugby action.
                                          
                                          Kirkpatrick is also currently hurt but likely to be fit and firing imminently.
                                          
                                          He listed forward Ross Wright as a player who impressed against the Chiefs.
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                                          @kiwimurph Thank god for that.

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