6N 2018
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I reckon he bounced it, but then watching again, I thought he scored it.
I've seen it 50 times now I reckon.
He certainly grounded it first, so it has to be a knock on or a score. On that basis, I chose knock on, but now looking at it again, maybe it is a score as perhaps it is always in contact with his hand until it touches the ground. But, it still looks like he bounced it to me when I watch the replay.
And I was watching expecting it to be a score - I support Wales all day over the Poms.
But, even with my red glasses on, I thought it wasn't totally legit.
But, then I can't exactly see the point where it isn't, so it actually must be a try.
Anyway, if world rugby has said it is a try, then that's fine with me.
I reckon he bounced it, but then watching again, I thought he scored it.
I've seen it 50 times now I reckon.
He certainly grounded it first, so it has to be a knock on or a score. On that basis, I chose knock on, but now looking at it again, maybe it is a score as perhaps it is always in contact with his hand until it touches the ground. But, it still looks like he bounced it to me when I watch the replay.
And I was watching expecting it to be a score - I support Wales all day over the Poms.
But, even with my red glasses on, I thought it wasn't totally legit.
But, then I can't exactly see the point where it isn't, so it actually must be a try.
Anyway, if world rugby has said it is a try, then that's fine with me.
The knock on (or not) came from Steff Evans before Anscombe grounded (or didn't) the ball.
At the time I thought it was likely a try and wouldn't have had too much to grumble about if it had been given, but it's all moot isn't it. The try was not given, Wales went back for the penalty and the game then evolved accordingly. Who knows what would have occurred thereafter if the try had been given.
The game is over. England won. End of story.
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@gt12 by 'bounced it' and/or 'knocked on' do you mean you think he touched it then lost contact then touched it again?
Those shots I posted are about 2/10ths of a second apart. The first is at his first contact.I think the WR comment that the law was incorrectly applied is the key. 'Presses' is the key word. Forget the commentary rubbish about 'forcing' the ball. If his hand is in contact and applying ANY downward pressure then it is a try under the law. Recently though, we have seen Super Rugby TMOs only award tries when the hand remains on top of the ball and doesn't slide off. I guess that was an effort to remove contentious calls when players clip the side of the ball only or slide down the side before the ball touches the ground.
Could well be that Newman was ruling the way his SANZAAR bosses told him to and finding it at odds to WR. -
@gt12 by 'bounced it' and/or 'knocked on' do you mean you think he touched it then lost contact then touched it again?
Those shots I posted are about 2/10ths of a second apart. The first is at his first contact.I think the WR comment that the law was incorrectly applied is the key. 'Presses' is the key word. Forget the commentary rubbish about 'forcing' the ball. If his hand is in contact and applying ANY downward pressure then it is a try under the law. Recently though, we have seen Super Rugby TMOs only award tries when the hand remains on top of the ball and doesn't slide off. I guess that was an effort to remove contentious calls when players clip the side of the ball only or slide down the side before the ball touches the ground.
Could well be that Newman was ruling the way his SANZAAR bosses told him to and finding it at odds to WR.Yep, I thought he actually bounced it between the shots (actually, maybe even before the first one). But, when I really slow it down, I can't see it.
BTW, I haven't heard any commentary @Crucial , or seen any other stuff @Catogrande so no idea what you are talking about with the other knock on. I'm only talking about the 1/2 second around this ball being forced or not.
Anyway, after all that, I'm happy with it being ruled a try.
I still think he bounced it though.
@gt12 by 'bounced it' and/or 'knocked on' do you mean you think he touched it then lost contact then touched it again?
Those shots I posted are about 2/10ths of a second apart. The first is at his first contact.I think the WR comment that the law was incorrectly applied is the key. 'Presses' is the key word. Forget the commentary rubbish about 'forcing' the ball. If his hand is in contact and applying ANY downward pressure then it is a try under the law. Recently though, we have seen Super Rugby TMOs only award tries when the hand remains on top of the ball and doesn't slide off. I guess that was an effort to remove contentious calls when players clip the side of the ball only or slide down the side before the ball touches the ground.
Could well be that Newman was ruling the way his SANZAAR bosses told him to and finding it at odds to WR. -
Jerry Guscott's view was that the grounding was fine and the TMO made a mistake but it should not have been a try due to a previous knock on. Opinion piece and video here
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/43026443
His point in question arises about 20 seconds into the vid. To my mind it would have been very easy to miss. At the time I thought there was no knock on. Now...?
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Jerry Guscott's view was that the grounding was fine and the TMO made a mistake but it should not have been a try due to a previous knock on. Opinion piece and video here
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/43026443
His point in question arises about 20 seconds into the vid. To my mind it would have been very easy to miss. At the time I thought there was no knock on. Now...?
@catogrande said in 6N 2018:
Jerry Guscott's view was that the grounding was fine and the TMO made a mistake but it should not have been a try due to a previous knock on. Opinion piece and video here
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/43026443
His point in question arises about 20 seconds into the vid. To my mind it would have been very easy to miss. At the time I thought there was no knock on. Now...?
I certainly can't see a knock on in those angles. Guscott talks about some other view on twitter which I can't find.
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@catogrande said in 6N 2018:
Jerry Guscott's view was that the grounding was fine and the TMO made a mistake but it should not have been a try due to a previous knock on. Opinion piece and video here
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/43026443
His point in question arises about 20 seconds into the vid. To my mind it would have been very easy to miss. At the time I thought there was no knock on. Now...?
I certainly can't see a knock on in those angles. Guscott talks about some other view on twitter which I can't find.
@crucial Certainly not absolutely conclusive. Separately, Guscott makes the point that the footage available to the TMO is not fit for purpose, that he does not have frame by frame view available to him. If true this is just a bit shit really.
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Best. Interview. Ever.
Great quote from a Father about his son. "He's got a bit of fluffybunny in him"
Gold.
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Best. Interview. Ever.
Great quote from a Father about his son. "He's got a bit of fluffybunny in him"
Gold.
@catogrande said in 6N 2018:
Best. Interview. Ever.
Great quote from a Father about his son. "He's got a bit of fluffybunny in him"
Gold.
Trust a Scotsman to tell it like it is. Pretty certain Graham senior basically got eaten alive by Os Du Randt when he played though....
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@catogrande said in 6N 2018:
Best. Interview. Ever.
Great quote from a Father about his son. "He's got a bit of fluffybunny in him"
Gold.
Trust a Scotsman to tell it like it is. Pretty certain Graham senior basically got eaten alive by Os Du Randt when he played though....
@catogrande said in 6N 2018:
Best. Interview. Ever.
Great quote from a Father about his son. "He's got a bit of fluffybunny in him"
Gold.
Trust a Scotsman to tell it like it is. Pretty certain Graham senior basically got eaten alive by Os Du Randt when he played though....
Wouldn't have been the first. Not exactly something to be ashamed of. Os was no mug ...
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Ireland team to play Wales from the Twitter machine
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Ireland beat Wales 5 tries to 3. 37-27
Scotland currently leading England 22-6 at halftime in Murrayfield.
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Fantastic game so far Scotland on fire, Hue Jones sensational.
Finn Russell has thrown the best pass I've seen since Brooke to Cullen 20 odd years ago.
Long way to go, and England will come back, great game.
Earlier game an absolute hammering by Ireland, abeilt not on the score card. Sexton had an abortion from the tee and Hometown Jackson lived up to his name, but this was as dominant as you'll see. Fair play to Wales to keep coming back, but surely surely Gats has run his course.
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@majorrage said in 6N 2018:
Nobody's watching now that Super Rugby's started.
Those with this attitude as you are missing some fantastic, intense rugby.
I'm watching pot hale, dominant by your boys well played
Did I need to insert some inane symbol to make the joke apparent?
But yeah, agree with your summary of today's two games. Ireland dominant, Scotland having fun against a flat England.
France Italy last night... Just, ugh. Tale of the Error Count. -
@majorrage said in 6N 2018:
Nobody's watching now that Super Rugby's started.
Those with this attitude as you are missing some fantastic, intense rugby.
I'm watching pot hale, dominant by your boys well played
Did I need to insert some inane symbol to make the joke apparent?
But yeah, agree with your summary of today's two games. Ireland dominant, Scotland having fun against a flat England.
France Italy last night... Just, ugh. Tale of the Error Count. -
Fantastic game so far Scotland on fire, Hue Jones sensational.
Finn Russell has thrown the best pass I've seen since Brooke to Cullen 20 odd years ago.
Long way to go, and England will come back, great game.
Earlier game an absolute hammering by Ireland, abeilt not on the score card. Sexton had an abortion from the tee and Hometown Jackson lived up to his name, but this was as dominant as you'll see. Fair play to Wales to keep coming back, but surely surely Gats has run his course.
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25-13 with 9 minutes to go. England on a YC. Amazing stuff from the Scots.
