Convicts v Marxist Land Thieves - Crucket
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@no-quarter said in Convicts v Marxist Land Thieves - Crucket:
Haha yeah, I think anyone that has played the game knows it is highly likely the entire team knew what was going on, and in particular the fast bowlers who take a very keen interest in the condition of the ball.
So the story that has been relayed to me (third hand, but supposedly from a knowledgeable source) is as follows:
As the players were coming back onto the field for lunch, Warner and Bancroft were chatting in the corner of the sheds. Warner had been under scrutiny from the umpires for the tape on his hand, so he was trying to talk Bancroft into his scheme.
As Bancroft was keen, Warner was showing him how to do it. Smith saw/overheard and his response was 'I don't want to know about it' and went out on the field.
When it all was caught, the full confession was Smith's idea. He thought it would just be a slap on the wrist, as has always happened in these instances. However in his attempts to protect Bancroft and Warner, he inadvertently made it sound like a grand conspiracy. Cue shit storm and 12 month bans.
Now I obviously can't vouch this is 100% legit, but it seems to fit with the actions taken by CA.
@barbarian only issue with that (IMO) surely if you were going to tamper with a ball, your bowlers would need to be aware that the ball might start doing a bit more? Understand a keepers involvement, but surely a bowler would need to be in on it as well??
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@no-quarter said in Convicts v Marxist Land Thieves - Crucket:
Haha yeah, I think anyone that has played the game knows it is highly likely the entire team knew what was going on, and in particular the fast bowlers who take a very keen interest in the condition of the ball.
So the story that has been relayed to me (third hand, but supposedly from a knowledgeable source) is as follows:
As the players were coming back onto the field for lunch, Warner and Bancroft were chatting in the corner of the sheds. Warner had been under scrutiny from the umpires for the tape on his hand, so he was trying to talk Bancroft into his scheme.
As Bancroft was keen, Warner was showing him how to do it. Smith saw/overheard and his response was 'I don't want to know about it' and went out on the field.
When it all was caught, the full confession was Smith's idea. He thought it would just be a slap on the wrist, as has always happened in these instances. However in his attempts to protect Bancroft and Warner, he inadvertently made it sound like a grand conspiracy. Cue shit storm and 12 month bans.
Now I obviously can't vouch this is 100% legit, but it seems to fit with the actions taken by CA.
@barbarian said in Convicts v Marxist Land Thieves - Crucket:
@no-quarter said in Convicts v Marxist Land Thieves - Crucket:
Haha yeah, I think anyone that has played the game knows it is highly likely the entire team knew what was going on, and in particular the fast bowlers who take a very keen interest in the condition of the ball.
So the story that has been relayed to me (third hand, but supposedly from a knowledgeable source) is as follows:
As the players were coming back onto the field for lunch, Warner and Bancroft were chatting in the corner of the sheds. Warner had been under scrutiny from the umpires for the tape on his hand, so he was trying to talk Bancroft into his scheme.
As Bancroft was keen, Warner was showing him how to do it. Smith saw/overheard and his response was 'I don't want to know about it' and went out on the field.
When it all was caught, the full confession was Smith's idea. He thought it would just be a slap on the wrist, as has always happened in these instances. However in his attempts to protect Bancroft and Warner, he inadvertently made it sound like a grand conspiracy. Cue shit storm and 12 month bans.
Now I obviously can't vouch this is 100% legit, but it seems to fit with the actions taken by CA.
Hah, interesting, though you'll have a very hard time convincing me that the quicks were completely oblivious to what was happening.
So one thing we can deduce from that story is that Bancroft is apparently as think as Warner. Seriously, that is some fucking braindead shit to try at international level in a hotly contested series.
It also highlights how Smith was not cut out for the captaincy. Would Waugh, Border et al have turned a blind eye to that, or immediately bent both Warner and Bancroft over their knee and given them the spanking of a lifetime for even contemplating something so retarded? The inmates really were running the asylum in that team.
Long term this is probably a good thing for Aus cricket, but they're gonna go through some serious pain the the short term.
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I do feel a bit sorry for Smith in all this. It kinda seems like he is a decent sort, who is an outstanding batsman and really not a leader. He got put under the pump here and failed miserably, and is now paying the price. Bancroft young and stupid and naive. Warner can just get fucked. His brand of toxic nonsense is not needed. I can imagine sponsors have been looking at him uneasily for a while, but when you have the combination of obnoxious prat, losing, and cheating, of course they are going to pull the plug. Who wants their brand associated with that?
On a side note, while I understand the BCCI's decision to terminate IPL contracts, I have to say, the Indians taking the moral high ground on anything cheating-related is laughable.
@mokey said in Convicts v Marxist Land Thieves - Crucket:
I do feel a bit sorry for Smith in all this. It kinda seems like he is a decent sort, who is an outstanding batsman and really not a leader. He got put under the pump here and failed miserably, and is now paying the price. Bancroft young and stupid and naive. Warner can just get fucked. His brand of toxic nonsense is not needed. I can imagine sponsors have been looking at him uneasily for a while, but when you have the combination of obnoxious prat, losing, and cheating, of course they are going to pull the plug. Who wants their brand associated with that?
On a side note, while I understand the BCCI's decision to terminate IPL contracts, I have to say, the Indians taking the moral high ground on anything cheating-related is laughable.
I agree, I actually quite like Smith as a player and person. Just way out of his depth captaincy wise.
A no dickheads policy would have seen Warner dropped a very long time ago. Can understand why the ABs and BCs employ that.
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@crucial said in Convicts v Marxist Land Thieves - Crucket:
This version makes sense though
Warner: that De Kock prick is still in and everyone is watching me carefully to see what I do. I obviously can't use my normal tricks on the ball so lets get Cam to do it. He is at mid on and we can relay the ball through him.
The broadcasters were tipped of because of how early the Aussies were getting the ball to reverse.
I can buy the 'first time' narrative, for two reasons:
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As per Geoff Lemon a few pages back, Warner had been pushed to breaking point this series. He had developed a siege mentality, and had lost all sight of reality. He was completely desperate and it pushed him to take actions he had never taken before.
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It's so stupid. I find it hard to believe they have been using this tactic before, given how quickly it was picked up. And I also imagine people are now combing over the footage from the Ashes, looking for clues. Clearly they haven't found much.
Were they tampering in other ways before? Probably. The same as everyone else - weird shining agents, bouncing the ball on throws etc. But that pales into comparison as to what they were caught doing at Newlands.
@barbarian said in Convicts v Marxist Land Thieves - Crucket:
Warner had been pushed to breaking point this series. He had developed a siege mentality, and had lost all sight of reality. He was completely desperate and it pushed him to take actions he had never taken before.
Nah. He is just a bell end.
As for AEG - they are sticking to their strengths and supporting tools.
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Was that the first session they'd attempted to doctor the ball? If it was I can see how the bowlers might not have noticed - there is also the chance that Bancroft was shit at it, so while he was having a good ol rub, it wasn't making much difference!
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@barbarian said in Convicts v Marxist Land Thieves - Crucket:
@no-quarter said in Convicts v Marxist Land Thieves - Crucket:
Haha yeah, I think anyone that has played the game knows it is highly likely the entire team knew what was going on, and in particular the fast bowlers who take a very keen interest in the condition of the ball.
So the story that has been relayed to me (third hand, but supposedly from a knowledgeable source) is as follows:
As the players were coming back onto the field for lunch, Warner and Bancroft were chatting in the corner of the sheds. Warner had been under scrutiny from the umpires for the tape on his hand, so he was trying to talk Bancroft into his scheme.
As Bancroft was keen, Warner was showing him how to do it. Smith saw/overheard and his response was 'I don't want to know about it' and went out on the field.
When it all was caught, the full confession was Smith's idea. He thought it would just be a slap on the wrist, as has always happened in these instances. However in his attempts to protect Bancroft and Warner, he inadvertently made it sound like a grand conspiracy. Cue shit storm and 12 month bans.
Now I obviously can't vouch this is 100% legit, but it seems to fit with the actions taken by CA.
Hah, interesting, though you'll have a very hard time convincing me that the quicks were completely oblivious to what was happening.
So one thing we can deduce from that story is that Bancroft is apparently as think as Warner. Seriously, that is some fucking braindead shit to try at international level in a hotly contested series.
It also highlights how Smith was not cut out for the captaincy. Would Waugh, Border et al have turned a blind eye to that, or immediately bent both Warner and Bancroft over their knee and given them the spanking of a lifetime for even contemplating something so retarded? The inmates really were running the asylum in that team.
Long term this is probably a good thing for Aus cricket, but they're gonna go through some serious pain the the short term.
@no-quarter said in Convicts v Marxist Land Thieves - Crucket:
Hah, interesting, though you'll have a very hard time convincing me that the quicks were completely oblivious to what was happening.
So one thing we can deduce from that story is that Bancroft is apparently as think as Warner. Seriously, that is some fucking braindead shit to try at international level in a hotly contested series.
It also highlights how Smith was not cut out for the captaincy. Would Waugh, Border et al have turned a blind eye to that, or immediately bent both Warner and Bancroft over their knee and given them the spanking of a lifetime for even contemplating something so retarded? The inmates really were running the asylum in that team.
Long term this is probably a good thing for Aus cricket, but they're gonna go through some serious pain the the short term.
Agree, although I can see a scenario where the bowlers didn't know. Every side has a designated ball shiner, who the ball is thrown to between every delivery. They know their job, and do it without much consultation with the bowlers.
It's possible that there was an understanding that Warner would employ various dark arts to help the ball reverse (which I imagine are employed by all teams), but when Warner decided to go nuclear that they weren't in the loop.
And it's clear the sandpaper strategy wasn't immediately obvious to anyone holding the ball - not the bowlers, not the umpires. It wasn't even replaced.
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@barbarian adding further salt in terms of them not even being able to cheat very well!
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@virgil and that, right there, is my biggest fear with all this. 12 months means they are out for the Indian tour. Anything that helps those fuckers get the possibility of a series win in Australia should be thrown out.
@mariner4life said in Convicts v Marxist Land Thieves - Crucket:
@virgil and that, right there, is my biggest fear with all this. 12 months means they are out for the Indian tour. Anything that helps those fuckers get the possibility of a series win in Australia should be thrown out.
Yup only team that’s more unlikable then Australia is India.
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Oh please. When has Australia EVER been bereft of quality batsmen? They'll pluck some other freakish youngster from Sheffield Shield or wherever, he'll slot in and score runs like he's been born to the post, and the team will mosey on. It's what the fuckers do. *
- See also why other countries hate the All Blacks. A great retires, another one steps up. Because it's the #1 sport, in the blood from a young age.
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I don’t know, I can see them struggling, they have lost their 2 best batsmen. The Sheffield shield isn’t anywhere near as strong as it once was. Remember when they used to have guys scoring over 10,000 first class runs @50 who couldn’t break into the team?
Look who they are bringing over for the 4th test. 3 guys who have each been discarded in recent times.
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@mariner4life said in Convicts v Marxist Land Thieves - Crucket:
@virgil and that, right there, is my biggest fear with all this. 12 months means they are out for the Indian tour. Anything that helps those fuckers get the possibility of a series win in Australia should be thrown out.
Yup only team that’s more unlikable then Australia is India.
@virgil said in Convicts v Marxist Land Thieves - Crucket:
@mariner4life said in Convicts v Marxist Land Thieves - Crucket:
@virgil and that, right there, is my biggest fear with all this. 12 months means they are out for the Indian tour. Anything that helps those fuckers get the possibility of a series win in Australia should be thrown out.
Yup only team that’s more unlikable then Australia is India.
Wtf? Kohli is a first rate plum but the rest of the team seem like decent blokes and are definitely a lot more likeable than the Aussies.
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I don’t know, I can see them struggling, they have lost their 2 best batsmen. The Sheffield shield isn’t anywhere near as strong as it once was. Remember when they used to have guys scoring over 10,000 first class runs @50 who couldn’t break into the team?
Look who they are bringing over for the 4th test. 3 guys who have each been discarded in recent times.
Their bowling depth is fine, batting not so.@virgil said in Convicts v Marxist Land Thieves - Crucket:
I don’t know, I can see them struggling, they have lost their 2 best batsmen. The Sheffield shield isn’t anywhere near as strong as it once was. Remember when they used to have guys scoring over 10,000 first class runs @50 who couldn’t break into the team?
Look who they are bringing over for the 4th test. 3 guys who have each been discarded in recent times.
Their bowling depth is fine, batting not so.Maybe. But I don't discount the power of a stronger captain, a calmer, more disciplined changing room, and a bunch of Aussies thinking it's us against the world and fuck you we're going to come back stronger, either.
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I think things have got out of hand. If the media hate campaign continues, it could end in tragedy.
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I think things have got out of hand. If the media hate campaign continues, it could end in tragedy.
@baron-silas-greenback said in Convicts v Marxist Land Thieves - Crucket:
I think things have got out of hand. If the media hate campaign continues, it could end in tragedy.
The lynch mob is far worse than any punishment the ICC and CA could dish out. Lehman talked about being concerned for the welfare of the players.
Kane's comments re: Warner were a good attempt to try and break up the mob mentality a bit. He's very fucking far from the worst person in Australia let alone the world but you wouldn't know it right now.
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I see ( almost like it's irrelevant given what's going on ) that Steve Smith has an average of 61. That's fucken head and shoulders above everyone except he who may not have even existed ( I never saw Bradman bat, perhaps he's just made up ). It's better than Kohli, Root and old mate KW.
So yeah I hear all the talk of recent years and how many brilliant batsmen they had but I think Virg is correct in that a few mid 30s journeyman get a shot for Australia. Losing Smith would be an absolute MASSIVE loss.
In other musings.....what the actual fuck was he thinking? Cheating is supposed to be what people who are no good do.....not the best players!
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@baron-silas-greenback said in Convicts v Marxist Land Thieves - Crucket:
I think things have got out of hand. If the media hate campaign continues, it could end in tragedy.
The lynch mob is far worse than any punishment the ICC and CA could dish out. Lehman talked about being concerned for the welfare of the players.
Kane's comments re: Warner were a good attempt to try and break up the mob mentality a bit. He's very fucking far from the worst person in Australia let alone the world but you wouldn't know it right now.
@no-quarter Yep. The headlines claiming this is Aussie sport's darkest day etc etc are fucking ridiculous. In the scheme of things, league has provided infinitely more dark moments. I mean when you think of the domestic violence, sexual assault, harassment, drugs and doping, salary cap infringements... a few dickheads with sandpaper kind of pales in comparison.
