Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****
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@taniwharugby said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
after reading reviews on here I expected it to be the shittest film ever in the history of shit films...it wasn't, not by a long shot....it wasnt great, but it was watchable.
Only because it was Star Wars.
The visuals were great but that is a given for SW films. Otherwise it was terrible. Watch that Leah Mary Poppins scene if you don't think so. Or when Rose rams then kisses Finn. And that is just the tip of an enormous farking iceberg. Even bigger are the plot holes. So Luke exiles himself and not even a galactic emergency will bring him back. Yet he leaves a map (which is pretty much the entire farking plot of TFA). None of it makes any sense. It's like they have no outline of a story and are just making shit up as they go.
Rogue One was good because it actually felt like a SW film and you felt the director was a fan himself and respected the brand. No proper fan or anyone who cared about the fans or the integrity of the series would have served up this latest serving of shite.
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@rancid-schnitzel said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
@taniwharugby said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
after reading reviews on here I expected it to be the shittest film ever in the history of shit films...it wasn't, not by a long shot....it wasnt great, but it was watchable.
Only because it was Star Wars.
The visuals were great but that is a given for SW films. Otherwise it was terrible. Watch that Leah Mary Poppins scene if you don't think so. Or when Rose rams then kisses Finn. And that is just the tip of an enormous farking iceberg. Even bigger are the plot holes. So Luke exiles himself and not even a galactic emergency will bring him back. Yet he leaves a map (which is pretty much the entire farking plot of TFA). None of it makes any sense. It's like they have no outline of a story and are just making shit up as they go.
Rogue One was good because it actually felt like a SW film and you felt the director was a fan himself and respected the brand. No proper fan or anyone who cared about the fans or the integrity of the series would have served up this latest serving of shite.
The bitterness is strong in this one.
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@catogrande said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
@rancid-schnitzel said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
@taniwharugby said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
after reading reviews on here I expected it to be the shittest film ever in the history of shit films...it wasn't, not by a long shot....it wasnt great, but it was watchable.
Only because it was Star Wars.
The visuals were great but that is a given for SW films. Otherwise it was terrible. Watch that Leah Mary Poppins scene if you don't think so. Or when Rose rams then kisses Finn. And that is just the tip of an enormous farking iceberg. Even bigger are the plot holes. So Luke exiles himself and not even a galactic emergency will bring him back. Yet he leaves a map (which is pretty much the entire farking plot of TFA). None of it makes any sense. It's like they have no outline of a story and are just making shit up as they go.
Rogue One was good because it actually felt like a SW film and you felt the director was a fan himself and respected the brand. No proper fan or anyone who cared about the fans or the integrity of the series would have served up this latest serving of shite.
The bitterness is strong in this one.
He's right though....and he left heaps of stuff out. No mention of Holdo and DJ.
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@catogrande said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
@rancid-schnitzel said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
@taniwharugby said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
after reading reviews on here I expected it to be the shittest film ever in the history of shit films...it wasn't, not by a long shot....it wasnt great, but it was watchable.
Only because it was Star Wars.
The visuals were great but that is a given for SW films. Otherwise it was terrible. Watch that Leah Mary Poppins scene if you don't think so. Or when Rose rams then kisses Finn. And that is just the tip of an enormous farking iceberg. Even bigger are the plot holes. So Luke exiles himself and not even a galactic emergency will bring him back. Yet he leaves a map (which is pretty much the entire farking plot of TFA). None of it makes any sense. It's like they have no outline of a story and are just making shit up as they go.
Rogue One was good because it actually felt like a SW film and you felt the director was a fan himself and respected the brand. No proper fan or anyone who cared about the fans or the integrity of the series would have served up this latest serving of shite.
The bitterness is strong in this one.
Very poor selection of word and massive deflection. I'm not bitter. I'm merely pointing out how shit the film is.
But let's focus on one thing. The Luke map. This is the premise of TFA. The plot line in itself is absurd, I mean why would he leave part of a map with old fart and part with R2? Is he a pirate and likes treasure hunts? But this ridiculous idea is destroyed in TLJ when we find out Luke never wanted to be found. Did the writers of the TLJ even take this into consideration? Did they even care? This is so damn weak. It's straight out lazy. That's not Star Wars, that's farking Transformers.
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@rancid-schnitzel said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
@catogrande said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
@rancid-schnitzel said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
@taniwharugby said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
after reading reviews on here I expected it to be the shittest film ever in the history of shit films...it wasn't, not by a long shot....it wasnt great, but it was watchable.
Only because it was Star Wars.
The visuals were great but that is a given for SW films. Otherwise it was terrible. Watch that Leah Mary Poppins scene if you don't think so. Or when Rose rams then kisses Finn. And that is just the tip of an enormous farking iceberg. Even bigger are the plot holes. So Luke exiles himself and not even a galactic emergency will bring him back. Yet he leaves a map (which is pretty much the entire farking plot of TFA). None of it makes any sense. It's like they have no outline of a story and are just making shit up as they go.
Rogue One was good because it actually felt like a SW film and you felt the director was a fan himself and respected the brand. No proper fan or anyone who cared about the fans or the integrity of the series would have served up this latest serving of shite.
The bitterness is strong in this one.
Very poor selection of word and massive deflection. I'm not bitter. I'm merely pointing out how shit the film is.
But let's focus on one thing. The Luke map. This is the premise of TFA. The plot line in itself is absurd, I mean why would he leave part of a map with old fart and part with R2? Is he a pirate and likes treasure hunts? But this ridiculous idea is destroyed in TLJ when we find out Luke never wanted to be found. Did the writers of the TLJ even take this into consideration? Did they even care? This is so damn weak. It's straight out lazy. That's not Star Wars, that's farking Transformers.
The 'It's Star Wars' argument is weak as well. That's all anyone on here can come up with when they're trying to say it's any good.
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@rancid-schnitzel said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
@catogrande said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
@rancid-schnitzel said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
@taniwharugby said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
after reading reviews on here I expected it to be the shittest film ever in the history of shit films...it wasn't, not by a long shot....it wasnt great, but it was watchable.
Only because it was Star Wars.
The visuals were great but that is a given for SW films. Otherwise it was terrible. Watch that Leah Mary Poppins scene if you don't think so. Or when Rose rams then kisses Finn. And that is just the tip of an enormous farking iceberg. Even bigger are the plot holes. So Luke exiles himself and not even a galactic emergency will bring him back. Yet he leaves a map (which is pretty much the entire farking plot of TFA). None of it makes any sense. It's like they have no outline of a story and are just making shit up as they go.
Rogue One was good because it actually felt like a SW film and you felt the director was a fan himself and respected the brand. No proper fan or anyone who cared about the fans or the integrity of the series would have served up this latest serving of shite.
The bitterness is strong in this one.
Very poor selection of word and massive deflection. I'm not bitter. I'm merely pointing out how shit the film is.
But let's focus on one thing. The Luke map. This is the premise of TFA. The plot line in itself is absurd, I mean why would he leave part of a map with old fart and part with R2? Is he a pirate and likes treasure hunts? But this ridiculous idea is destroyed in TLJ when we find out Luke never wanted to be found. Did the writers of the TLJ even take this into consideration? Did they even care? This is so damn weak. It's straight out lazy. That's not Star Wars, that's farking Transformers.
Sorry. I should have said “The bitterness is strong in this one-said in Darth Vader voice”. I can’t quite believe I’ve got tangled up in a geeky Star Wars argument. I think I’ll bugger off to the US politics thread and call for canonisation of Obama. Should cause fewer issues.
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@rancid-schnitzel said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
@catogrande said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
@rancid-schnitzel said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
@taniwharugby said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
after reading reviews on here I expected it to be the shittest film ever in the history of shit films...it wasn't, not by a long shot....it wasnt great, but it was watchable.
Only because it was Star Wars.
The visuals were great but that is a given for SW films. Otherwise it was terrible. Watch that Leah Mary Poppins scene if you don't think so. Or when Rose rams then kisses Finn. And that is just the tip of an enormous farking iceberg. Even bigger are the plot holes. So Luke exiles himself and not even a galactic emergency will bring him back. Yet he leaves a map (which is pretty much the entire farking plot of TFA). None of it makes any sense. It's like they have no outline of a story and are just making shit up as they go.
Rogue One was good because it actually felt like a SW film and you felt the director was a fan himself and respected the brand. No proper fan or anyone who cared about the fans or the integrity of the series would have served up this latest serving of shite.
The bitterness is strong in this one.
Very poor selection of word and massive deflection. I'm not bitter. I'm merely pointing out how shit the film is.
But let's focus on one thing. The Luke map. This is the premise of TFA. The plot line in itself is absurd, I mean why would he leave part of a map with old fart and part with R2? Is he a pirate and likes treasure hunts? But this ridiculous idea is destroyed in TLJ when we find out Luke never wanted to be found. Did the writers of the TLJ even take this into consideration? Did they even care? This is so damn weak. It's straight out lazy. That's not Star Wars, that's farking Transformers.
I think some of this type of mess is attributable to a lack of coordination and/or foresight across the SW franchise where film maker editing creates a problem that then needs to be back-filled.
Some is simply the over analysis by fans compared to the original trilogy.You have the SW Rebels animated show that finished it's storyline before R1 and ANH but had a scene set after those events which added new elements to the canon that are yet to be explained but may well mesh in and fill the gaps created by TFA. I wouldn't be at all surprised if the story of 'the old guy', the story of Rey's parents, the story of the rise of Snoke and the story of how Maz had Luke's lightsaber are all fleshed out.
As for the example above and 'the map', there could be an explanation in the offing through the various novels, comics, TV series etc, but yeah, if you only watch the movies the producers have not done a good job.
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@crucial said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
@rancid-schnitzel said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
@catogrande said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
@rancid-schnitzel said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
@taniwharugby said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
after reading reviews on here I expected it to be the shittest film ever in the history of shit films...it wasn't, not by a long shot....it wasnt great, but it was watchable.
Only because it was Star Wars.
The visuals were great but that is a given for SW films. Otherwise it was terrible. Watch that Leah Mary Poppins scene if you don't think so. Or when Rose rams then kisses Finn. And that is just the tip of an enormous farking iceberg. Even bigger are the plot holes. So Luke exiles himself and not even a galactic emergency will bring him back. Yet he leaves a map (which is pretty much the entire farking plot of TFA). None of it makes any sense. It's like they have no outline of a story and are just making shit up as they go.
Rogue One was good because it actually felt like a SW film and you felt the director was a fan himself and respected the brand. No proper fan or anyone who cared about the fans or the integrity of the series would have served up this latest serving of shite.
The bitterness is strong in this one.
Very poor selection of word and massive deflection. I'm not bitter. I'm merely pointing out how shit the film is.
But let's focus on one thing. The Luke map. This is the premise of TFA. The plot line in itself is absurd, I mean why would he leave part of a map with old fart and part with R2? Is he a pirate and likes treasure hunts? But this ridiculous idea is destroyed in TLJ when we find out Luke never wanted to be found. Did the writers of the TLJ even take this into consideration? Did they even care? This is so damn weak. It's straight out lazy. That's not Star Wars, that's farking Transformers.
I think some of this type of mess is attributable to a lack of coordination and/or foresight across the SW franchise where film maker editing creates a problem that then needs to be back-filled.
Some is simply the over analysis by fans compared to the original trilogy.You have the SW Rebels animated show that finished it's storyline before R1 and ANH but had a scene set after those events which added new elements to the canon that are yet to be explained but may well mesh in and fill the gaps created by TFA. I wouldn't be at all surprised if the story of 'the old guy', the story of Rey's parents, the story of the rise of Snoke and the story of how Maz had Luke's lightsaber are all fleshed out.
As for the example above and 'the map', there could be an explanation in the offing through the various novels, comics, TV series etc, but yeah, if you only watch the movies the producers have not done a good job.
It's completely unacceptable. If some tool with barely any spare time can point this shit out then those who are actually paid to create this stuff should be all over it. Lazy and disrespectful to the real fans and the brand.
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@rancid-schnitzel said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
@taniwharugby said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
after reading reviews on here I expected it to be the shittest film ever in the history of shit films...it wasn't, not by a long shot....it wasnt great, but it was watchable.
Only because it was Star Wars.
The visuals were great but that is a given for SW films. Otherwise it was terrible. Watch that Leah Mary Poppins scene if you don't think so. Or when Rose rams then kisses Finn. And that is just the tip of an enormous farking iceberg. Even bigger are the plot holes. So Luke exiles himself and not even a galactic emergency will bring him back. Yet he leaves a map (which is pretty much the entire farking plot of TFA). None of it makes any sense. It's like they have no outline of a story and are just making shit up as they go.
Rogue One was good because it actually felt like a SW film and you felt the director was a fan himself and respected the brand. No proper fan or anyone who cared about the fans or the integrity of the series would have served up this latest serving of shite.
Did Luke leave a map? I'm not sure that's what happened.
We know that they had a map to his location, which needed extra information from the Empire archives. It seemed more like they knew where Luke had gone, but nobody knew where the planet was.
Seeing as Obi Wan and Yoda wiped records from the Jedi Temple in III, maybe they removed the location of the first Jedi Temple and how to get to the planet? Like the Emperor did with the Clone planet.
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@kirwan said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
@rancid-schnitzel said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
@taniwharugby said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
after reading reviews on here I expected it to be the shittest film ever in the history of shit films...it wasn't, not by a long shot....it wasnt great, but it was watchable.
Only because it was Star Wars.
The visuals were great but that is a given for SW films. Otherwise it was terrible. Watch that Leah Mary Poppins scene if you don't think so. Or when Rose rams then kisses Finn. And that is just the tip of an enormous farking iceberg. Even bigger are the plot holes. So Luke exiles himself and not even a galactic emergency will bring him back. Yet he leaves a map (which is pretty much the entire farking plot of TFA). None of it makes any sense. It's like they have no outline of a story and are just making shit up as they go.
Rogue One was good because it actually felt like a SW film and you felt the director was a fan himself and respected the brand. No proper fan or anyone who cared about the fans or the integrity of the series would have served up this latest serving of shite.
Did Luke leave a map? I'm not sure that's what happened.
We know that they had a map to his location, which needed extra information from the Empire archives. It seemed more like they knew where Luke had gone, but nobody knew where the planet was.
Seeing as Obi Wan and Yoda wiped records from the Jedi Temple in III, maybe they removed the location of the first Jedi Temple and how to get to the planet? Like the Emperor did with the Clone planet.
That's one interpretation, but is not mentioned at any stage. If that's the case then why did R2 have the missing piece? Why would he have just a piece and not the whole map?
I think you're giving the writers too much credit.
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@rancid-schnitzel said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
@kirwan said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
@rancid-schnitzel said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
@taniwharugby said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
after reading reviews on here I expected it to be the shittest film ever in the history of shit films...it wasn't, not by a long shot....it wasnt great, but it was watchable.
Only because it was Star Wars.
The visuals were great but that is a given for SW films. Otherwise it was terrible. Watch that Leah Mary Poppins scene if you don't think so. Or when Rose rams then kisses Finn. And that is just the tip of an enormous farking iceberg. Even bigger are the plot holes. So Luke exiles himself and not even a galactic emergency will bring him back. Yet he leaves a map (which is pretty much the entire farking plot of TFA). None of it makes any sense. It's like they have no outline of a story and are just making shit up as they go.
Rogue One was good because it actually felt like a SW film and you felt the director was a fan himself and respected the brand. No proper fan or anyone who cared about the fans or the integrity of the series would have served up this latest serving of shite.
Did Luke leave a map? I'm not sure that's what happened.
We know that they had a map to his location, which needed extra information from the Empire archives. It seemed more like they knew where Luke had gone, but nobody knew where the planet was.
Seeing as Obi Wan and Yoda wiped records from the Jedi Temple in III, maybe they removed the location of the first Jedi Temple and how to get to the planet? Like the Emperor did with the Clone planet.
That's one interpretation, but is not mentioned at any stage. If that's the case then why did R2 have the missing piece? Why would he have just a piece and not the whole map?
I think you're giving the writers too much credit.
They mention in TFA that R2 has the Empire’s Records from when he plugged into the Death Star computer.
This is all nerd backstory. Remember that these are supposed to be movies for 12 year olds based on old B-movie serials.
The correct answer to why they have the map is that the story needs them to. You can pick these sorts of holes in the original trilogy too.
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@kirwan said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
@rancid-schnitzel said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
@kirwan said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
@rancid-schnitzel said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
@taniwharugby said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
after reading reviews on here I expected it to be the shittest film ever in the history of shit films...it wasn't, not by a long shot....it wasnt great, but it was watchable.
Only because it was Star Wars.
The visuals were great but that is a given for SW films. Otherwise it was terrible. Watch that Leah Mary Poppins scene if you don't think so. Or when Rose rams then kisses Finn. And that is just the tip of an enormous farking iceberg. Even bigger are the plot holes. So Luke exiles himself and not even a galactic emergency will bring him back. Yet he leaves a map (which is pretty much the entire farking plot of TFA). None of it makes any sense. It's like they have no outline of a story and are just making shit up as they go.
Rogue One was good because it actually felt like a SW film and you felt the director was a fan himself and respected the brand. No proper fan or anyone who cared about the fans or the integrity of the series would have served up this latest serving of shite.
Did Luke leave a map? I'm not sure that's what happened.
We know that they had a map to his location, which needed extra information from the Empire archives. It seemed more like they knew where Luke had gone, but nobody knew where the planet was.
Seeing as Obi Wan and Yoda wiped records from the Jedi Temple in III, maybe they removed the location of the first Jedi Temple and how to get to the planet? Like the Emperor did with the Clone planet.
That's one interpretation, but is not mentioned at any stage. If that's the case then why did R2 have the missing piece? Why would he have just a piece and not the whole map?
I think you're giving the writers too much credit.
They mention in TFA that R2 has the Empire’s Records from when he plugged into the Death Star computer.
This is all nerd backstory. Remember that these are supposed to be movies for 12 year olds based on old B-movie serials.
The correct answer to why they have the map is that the story needs them to. You can pick these sorts of holes in the original trilogy too.
That's an argument that's always trotted out and while true to some extent there's no way that the OT had anything like the clangers you see in the latest films and certainly not the sheer number. Even simple things like continuity are piss poor. For instance Phasma is literally standing right beside Finn and Rose for their execution but then ends up on the other side of the hangar. That's not even something you have to look carefully for, it's just one of many wtf moments in the film.
As for the whole "it's for 12 year olds" argument. Tbh I don't know who the fark SW are aiming at these days (certainty isn't young boys) , but if I accept that argument it's still no excuse for shithouse writing and poor plot development.
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Watching one of these Star Wars movies now.. not sure where to begin
The lead star is this whiny kid, the cgi is laughable. There was this escape pod which the bad guys could have blasted but they have to save their blasters?!? Wtf.. big ploy hole there.
Then they have this fucken wasted period at some stupid cantina, complete was of time. What was the point of that?The makers of this film have ruined my childhood er i mean adulthood.
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@virgil said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
Watching one of these Star Wars movies now.. not sure where to begin
The lead star is this whiny kid, the cgi is laughable. There was this escape pod which the bad guys could have blasted but they have to save their blasters?!? Wtf.. big ploy hole there.
Then they have this fucken wasted period at some stupid cantina, complete was of time. What was the point of that?The makers of this film have ruined my childhood er i mean adulthood.
It was the 70s, the bar was set so much lower
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@canefan said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
@virgil said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
Watching one of these Star Wars movies now.. not sure where to begin
The lead star is this whiny kid, the cgi is laughable. There was this escape pod which the bad guys could have blasted but they have to save their blasters?!? Wtf.. big ploy hole there.
Then they have this fucken wasted period at some stupid cantina, complete was of time. What was the point of that?The makers of this film have ruined my childhood er i mean adulthood.
It was the 70s, the bar was set so much lower
Was it? Some of the best films ever made were from the 70s.
And if any of them were subject to the insane level of scrutiny we have these days, they would be ripped apart.
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@kirwan said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
@canefan said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
@virgil said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
Watching one of these Star Wars movies now.. not sure where to begin
The lead star is this whiny kid, the cgi is laughable. There was this escape pod which the bad guys could have blasted but they have to save their blasters?!? Wtf.. big ploy hole there.
Then they have this fucken wasted period at some stupid cantina, complete was of time. What was the point of that?The makers of this film have ruined my childhood er i mean adulthood.
It was the 70s, the bar was set so much lower
Was it? Some of the best films ever made were from the 70s.
And if any of them were subject to the insane level of scrutiny we have these days, they would be ripped apart.
I was thinking more about sci-fi films of the time, in particular those before SW because SW changed everything. But yes, I agree, expectations are much higher today
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@virgil said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
Watching one of these Star Wars movies now.. not sure where to begin
The lead star is this whiny kid, the cgi is laughable. There was this escape pod which the bad guys could have blasted but they have to save their blasters?!? Wtf.. big ploy hole there.
Then they have this fucken wasted period at some stupid cantina, complete was of time. What was the point of that?The makers of this film have ruined my childhood er i mean adulthood.
Virgil, that's lamer than the character of Rose.
I remember in the first 6 films when Jedi could fly through space like Mary Poppins. Silly me that only occurred in the latest film but they're all exactly the same really. The bar scene and casino scene are exactly the same as well. One is a pointless plot deviation the other actually contributed to the plot and introduced us to a legendary main character. No difference whatsoever.
And how about the awesome characters who were introduced like Rose, Holdo, Locksmith, and the force sensitive kid. ANH only gave us farking Darth Vader, Luke, Han, Leah, Obi, Chewy, Tarkin etc. Yes, it's a really valid comparison to make...
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@kirwan said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
@canefan said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
@virgil said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
Watching one of these Star Wars movies now.. not sure where to begin
The lead star is this whiny kid, the cgi is laughable. There was this escape pod which the bad guys could have blasted but they have to save their blasters?!? Wtf.. big ploy hole there.
Then they have this fucken wasted period at some stupid cantina, complete was of time. What was the point of that?The makers of this film have ruined my childhood er i mean adulthood.
It was the 70s, the bar was set so much lower
Was it? Some of the best films ever made were from the 70s.
And if any of them were subject to the insane level of scrutiny we have these days, they would be ripped apart.
Insane level of scrutiny? I assume you'll use that argument to defend the Phantom Menace.
