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  • M Machpants

    From this article:
    Tier 1 card counts - 2017

    New Zealand – 8 yellow cards, 1 red card
    Argentina – 8 yellow cards, 1 red card
    Australia – 7 yellow cards, 1 red card
    France – 5 yellow cards, 0 red cards
    Italy - 4 yellow cards, 0 red cards
    Scotland - 4 yellow cards, 0 red cards
    Ireland – 3 yellow cards, 0 red cards
    Wales – 2 yellow cards, 0 red cards
    South Africa – 1 yellow card, 1 red card
    England – 1 yellow card, 0 red cards

    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=12054914

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    @machpants shows the clear bias by referees towards nations with teams in the NH hemisphere competitions.

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      Apart from the Boks?

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      • M Machpants

        From this article:
        Tier 1 card counts - 2017

        New Zealand – 8 yellow cards, 1 red card
        Argentina – 8 yellow cards, 1 red card
        Australia – 7 yellow cards, 1 red card
        France – 5 yellow cards, 0 red cards
        Italy - 4 yellow cards, 0 red cards
        Scotland - 4 yellow cards, 0 red cards
        Ireland – 3 yellow cards, 0 red cards
        Wales – 2 yellow cards, 0 red cards
        South Africa – 1 yellow card, 1 red card
        England – 1 yellow card, 0 red cards

        https://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=12054914

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        @machpants said in All Blacks Squad for France:

        From this article:
        Tier 1 card counts - 2017

        New Zealand – 8 yellow cards, 1 red card

        Out of interest I checked to see if there were any multiple offenders. SBW was the red, and the yellow cards were Kaino, B Barrett, Todd, Read, SBW, Cane, Crockett and Whitelock.

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        • M Machpants

          From this article:
          Tier 1 card counts - 2017

          New Zealand – 8 yellow cards, 1 red card
          Argentina – 8 yellow cards, 1 red card
          Australia – 7 yellow cards, 1 red card
          France – 5 yellow cards, 0 red cards
          Italy - 4 yellow cards, 0 red cards
          Scotland - 4 yellow cards, 0 red cards
          Ireland – 3 yellow cards, 0 red cards
          Wales – 2 yellow cards, 0 red cards
          South Africa – 1 yellow card, 1 red card
          England – 1 yellow card, 0 red cards

          https://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=12054914

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          @machpants is it odd that NO Northern Hemisphere 6Nations team got any red cards in 2017? are they really that well behaved or do they not know how to tackle so hard that the referee calls it illegal and dishes out a red card 🍭

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          • M Machpants

            Apart from the Boks?

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            @machpants think you'll find they have teams in NH competition 😉

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            • BovidaeB Bovidae

              @machpants said in All Blacks Squad for France:

              From this article:
              Tier 1 card counts - 2017

              New Zealand – 8 yellow cards, 1 red card

              Out of interest I checked to see if there were any multiple offenders. SBW was the red, and the yellow cards were Kaino, B Barrett, Todd, Read, SBW, Cane, Crockett and Whitelock.

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              @bovidae said in All Blacks Squad for France:

              @machpants said in All Blacks Squad for France:

              From this article:
              Tier 1 card counts - 2017

              New Zealand – 8 yellow cards, 1 red card

              Out of interest I checked to see if there were any multiple offenders. SBW was the red, and the yellow cards were Kaino, B Barrett, Todd, Read, SBW, Cane, Crockett and Whitelock.

              Not sure SBW yellow ought to count, being a technical card for trying to use a league stunt in a rugby test?

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              • M Machpants

                From this article:
                Tier 1 card counts - 2017

                New Zealand – 8 yellow cards, 1 red card
                Argentina – 8 yellow cards, 1 red card
                Australia – 7 yellow cards, 1 red card
                France – 5 yellow cards, 0 red cards
                Italy - 4 yellow cards, 0 red cards
                Scotland - 4 yellow cards, 0 red cards
                Ireland – 3 yellow cards, 0 red cards
                Wales – 2 yellow cards, 0 red cards
                South Africa – 1 yellow card, 1 red card
                England – 1 yellow card, 0 red cards

                https://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=12054914

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                @machpants said in All Blacks Squad for France:

                From this article:
                Tier 1 card counts - 2017

                New Zealand – 8 yellow cards, 1 red card
                Argentina – 8 yellow cards, 1 red card
                Australia – 7 yellow cards, 1 red card
                France – 5 yellow cards, 0 red cards
                Italy - 4 yellow cards, 0 red cards
                Scotland - 4 yellow cards, 0 red cards
                Ireland – 3 yellow cards, 0 red cards
                Wales – 2 yellow cards, 0 red cards
                South Africa – 1 yellow card, 1 red card
                England – 1 yellow card, 0 red cards

                https://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=12054914

                Those statistics only mean something relative to the number of games. However I imagine all teams played roughly the same number of games.

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                • Billy TellB Billy Tell

                  @machpants said in All Blacks Squad for France:

                  From this article:
                  Tier 1 card counts - 2017

                  New Zealand – 8 yellow cards, 1 red card
                  Argentina – 8 yellow cards, 1 red card
                  Australia – 7 yellow cards, 1 red card
                  France – 5 yellow cards, 0 red cards
                  Italy - 4 yellow cards, 0 red cards
                  Scotland - 4 yellow cards, 0 red cards
                  Ireland – 3 yellow cards, 0 red cards
                  Wales – 2 yellow cards, 0 red cards
                  South Africa – 1 yellow card, 1 red card
                  England – 1 yellow card, 0 red cards

                  https://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=12054914

                  Those statistics only mean something relative to the number of games. However I imagine all teams played roughly the same number of games.

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                  @billy-tell Do your homework! 🙂

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                    I thought this was a nice summary of things on Frizell vs Akira from Hansen that not everyone might have seen or heard.

                    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=12056403

                    But ultimately it's Frizzell's desire on the field that they like the most. When he has played for the Highlanders, he's made himself visible and high impact.
                    
                    "We have noticed him all season really," says Hansen. 'He fits the mould of players that the All Blacks have used in the past. He's very assertive, he's got plenty of energy and he carries well. He's got the right intentions when he's got the ball and he's got the right intentions when he's not got the ball.
                    
                    "And the reason why we picked him and not Akira [Ioane] is because his intentions without the ball are really strong. He's physical, he wants to make big tackles. He wants to put himself about the park and intimidate people in a positive way and that is what we have to grow in Akira.
                    
                    "When Akira has ball in hand he's world class. But the rest of what we need him to do is in the learning process but that's okay because he's only 22. He's a young man and he'll get there."
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                      @kiwimurph said in All Blacks Squad for France:

                      I thought this was a nice summary of things on Frizell vs Akira from Hansen that not everyone might have seen or heard.

                      https://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=12056403

                      But ultimately it's Frizzell's desire on the field that they like the most. When he has played for the Highlanders, he's made himself visible and high impact.
                      
                      "We have noticed him all season really," says Hansen. 'He fits the mould of players that the All Blacks have used in the past. He's very assertive, he's got plenty of energy and he carries well. He's got the right intentions when he's got the ball and he's got the right intentions when he's not got the ball.
                      
                      "And the reason why we picked him and not Akira [Ioane] is because his intentions without the ball are really strong. He's physical, he wants to make big tackles. He wants to put himself about the park and intimidate people in a positive way and that is what we have to grow in Akira.
                      
                      "When Akira has ball in hand he's world class. But the rest of what we need him to do is in the learning process but that's okay because he's only 22. He's a young man and he'll get there."
                      

                      So Frizell is more assertive off the ball in his 34 minutes per game than Akira in his 80 minutes ... I guess that's a summary.

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                      • NepiaN Nepia

                        @kiwimurph said in All Blacks Squad for France:

                        I thought this was a nice summary of things on Frizell vs Akira from Hansen that not everyone might have seen or heard.

                        https://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=12056403

                        But ultimately it's Frizzell's desire on the field that they like the most. When he has played for the Highlanders, he's made himself visible and high impact.
                        
                        "We have noticed him all season really," says Hansen. 'He fits the mould of players that the All Blacks have used in the past. He's very assertive, he's got plenty of energy and he carries well. He's got the right intentions when he's got the ball and he's got the right intentions when he's not got the ball.
                        
                        "And the reason why we picked him and not Akira [Ioane] is because his intentions without the ball are really strong. He's physical, he wants to make big tackles. He wants to put himself about the park and intimidate people in a positive way and that is what we have to grow in Akira.
                        
                        "When Akira has ball in hand he's world class. But the rest of what we need him to do is in the learning process but that's okay because he's only 22. He's a young man and he'll get there."
                        

                        So Frizell is more assertive off the ball in his 34 minutes per game than Akira in his 80 minutes ... I guess that's a summary.

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                        @nepia They are looking for a Collins/Kaino type defender in the loose forwards it seems. That's not really Akira - he uses his strength to hold up or pull others down. I'm not convinced you can 'learn' it either - you either have it or you don't.

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                          Bloody hell. They may need Crockzilla after all ...

                          https://twitter.com/AllBlacks/status/998777137254416384

                          https://twitter.com/AllBlacks/status/998777203889336321

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                            Has there been any reaction to Frizell's selection from across the Ta$man?

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                              @KiwiMurph the way they talk about Frizell you'd think he was good enough to hold down a starting spot at the Landers. Mauger must have a blind spot...

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                                Don't get me wrong about Frizell though, TBH I haven't really seen him play at all this year so can't really comment. Be great if he turned out to be the next Kaino, God knows we need it if flat-track-bully Squire is next in line.

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                                  @KiwiMurph the way they talk about Frizell you'd think he was good enough to hold down a starting spot at the Landers. Mauger must have a blind spot...

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                                  @no-quarter said in All Blacks Squad for France:

                                  @KiwiMurph the way they talk about Frizell you'd think he was good enough to hold down a starting spot at the Landers. Mauger must have a blind spot...

                                  Highlanders have some good loosies, Squire and Dixon etc. I don't have an issue with Frizell being picked on potential - he looked bloody good against the Blues when he scored a hat trick - certainly looked to have something special. My main issue is he is a blatant poach and should be playing for Tonga.

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                                    @no-quarter said in All Blacks Squad for France:

                                    @KiwiMurph the way they talk about Frizell you'd think he was good enough to hold down a starting spot at the Landers. Mauger must have a blind spot...

                                    Highlanders have some good loosies, Squire and Dixon etc. I don't have an issue with Frizell being picked on potential - he looked bloody good against the Blues when he scored a hat trick - certainly looked to have something special. My main issue is he is a blatant poach and should be playing for Tonga.

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                                    @kiwimurph said in All Blacks Squad for France:

                                    Highlanders have some good loosies, Squire and Dixon etc. I don't have an issue with Frizell being picked on potential - he looked bloody good against the Blues when he scored a hat trick - certainly looked to have something special. My main issue is he is a blatant poach and should be playing for Tonga.

                                    Like Fifita? 🤣

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                                      @kiwimurph said in All Blacks Squad for France:

                                      Highlanders have some good loosies, Squire and Dixon etc. I don't have an issue with Frizell being picked on potential - he looked bloody good against the Blues when he scored a hat trick - certainly looked to have something special. My main issue is he is a blatant poach and should be playing for Tonga.

                                      Like Fifita? 🤣

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                                      @bovidae worse. At least Fifita did part of his schooling in NZ.

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                                        @no-quarter said in All Blacks Squad for France:

                                        @KiwiMurph the way they talk about Frizell you'd think he was good enough to hold down a starting spot at the Landers. Mauger must have a blind spot...

                                        Highlanders have some good loosies, Squire and Dixon etc. I don't have an issue with Frizell being picked on potential - he looked bloody good against the Blues when he scored a hat trick - certainly looked to have something special. My main issue is he is a blatant poach and should be playing for Tonga.

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                                        @kiwimurph said in All Blacks Squad for France:

                                        My main issue is he is a blatant poach and should be playing for Tonga.

                                        I like to leave those decisions to the players. After all, they haven't picked him yet either...

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                                          @no-quarter said in All Blacks Squad for France:

                                          @KiwiMurph the way they talk about Frizell you'd think he was good enough to hold down a starting spot at the Landers. Mauger must have a blind spot...

                                          Highlanders have some good loosies, Squire and Dixon etc. I don't have an issue with Frizell being picked on potential - he looked bloody good against the Blues when he scored a hat trick - certainly looked to have something special. My main issue is he is a blatant poach and should be playing for Tonga.

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                                          @kiwimurph said in All Blacks Squad for France:

                                          @no-quarter said in All Blacks Squad for France:

                                          @KiwiMurph the way they talk about Frizell you'd think he was good enough to hold down a starting spot at the Landers. Mauger must have a blind spot...

                                          Highlanders have some good loosies, Squire and Dixon etc. I don't have an issue with Frizell being picked on potential - he looked bloody good against the Blues when he scored a hat trick - certainly looked to have something special. My main issue is he is a blatant poach and should be playing for Tonga.

                                          Get off the fern Stephen Jones

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