2018 New Zealand U20s
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From the twitter page of Tier 2 Rugby
Of the France U20 23 today 18 played senior pro rugby for their clubs this season, between them 175 matches, 81 starts, 7223 minutes. Easily the most of any side in the comp. By comparison NZ U20 had 11 who played ITM Cup rugby, between them 48 matches, 23 starts, 2219 minutes.
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@rapido Isn't this supposed to be the internet savvy generation? These kids have been brought up with continuous outrage!
@chris-b said in 2018 New Zealand U20s:
@rapido Isn't this supposed to be the internet savvy generation? These kids have been brought up with continuous outrage!
True.
Just some good ol Southland rucking, then.
Or maybe they don't have broadband yet in Southland.
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@chris-b said in 2018 New Zealand U20s:
@rapido Isn't this supposed to be the internet savvy generation? These kids have been brought up with continuous outrage!
True.
Just some good ol Southland rucking, then.
Or maybe they don't have broadband yet in Southland.
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From the twitter page of Tier 2 Rugby
Of the France U20 23 today 18 played senior pro rugby for their clubs this season, between them 175 matches, 81 starts, 7223 minutes. Easily the most of any side in the comp. By comparison NZ U20 had 11 who played ITM Cup rugby, between them 48 matches, 23 starts, 2219 minutes.
@number-10 Yes, I saw that tweet (posted it in this thread earlier today). It's one (but obviously not the sole) reason why they were better. A lot more first class experience.
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I don't see many of these NZU20 forwards wearing an AB jersey in the future. Flanders maybe but the others are soft. McWhannel has a good workrate but too skinny. Plummer and Koroi were pretty disappointing. I reckon the backs missed their big men (Telea and Faingaanuku) but their basic skills were poor. They just could not stand the pressure.
@cgrant said in 2018 New Zealand U20s:
I don't see many of these NZU20 forwards wearing an AB jersey in the future.
This isn't a great class of U20s but I wouldn't be writing them all off yet as they gain experience and some muscle. The props did show that size isn't everything at this level.
McWhannel has a good workrate but too skinny.
Do you remember how skinny Whitelock was when he played for the U20s?
I like what I've seen from McWhannell and expect him to be a regular in the Waikato team this season, and possibly a squad member for the Chiefs from next year. He has a big engine and plenty of speed for a lock. Two examples from this mornings game. The first was midway through the 1st half when he made an important covering tackle in the midfield to stop a French counterattack that had breached the backline defence. The second was being in support for the break that should have resulted in the 2nd try if Jackson didn't drop the ball.
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@cgrant said in 2018 New Zealand U20s:
I don't see many of these NZU20 forwards wearing an AB jersey in the future.
This isn't a great class of U20s but I wouldn't be writing them all off yet as they gain experience and some muscle. The props did show that size isn't everything at this level.
McWhannel has a good workrate but too skinny.
Do you remember how skinny Whitelock was when he played for the U20s?
I like what I've seen from McWhannell and expect him to be a regular in the Waikato team this season, and possibly a squad member for the Chiefs from next year. He has a big engine and plenty of speed for a lock. Two examples from this mornings game. The first was midway through the 1st half when he made an important covering tackle in the midfield to stop a French counterattack that had breached the backline defence. The second was being in support for the break that should have resulted in the 2nd try if Jackson didn't drop the ball.
@bovidae said in 2018 New Zealand U20s:
@cgrant said in 2018 New Zealand U20s:
I don't see many of these NZU20 forwards wearing an AB jersey in the future.
This isn't a great class of U20s but I wouldn't be writing them all off yet as they gain experience and some muscle. The props did show that size isn't everything at this level.
McWhannel has a good workrate but too skinny.
Do you remember how skinny Whitelock was when he played for the U20s?
I like what I've seen from McWhannell and expect him to be a regular in the Waikato team this season, and possibly a squad member for the Chiefs from next year. He has a big engine and plenty of speed for a lock. Two examples from this mornings game. The first was midway through the 1st half when he made an important covering tackle in the midfield to stop a French counterattack that had breached the backline defence. The second was being in support for the break that should have resulted in the 2nd try if Jackson didn't drop the ball.
Ian Jones and Norm Maxwell had great AB careers. Not everyone is Brad Thorn or Troy Flavell.
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@cgrant said in 2018 New Zealand U20s:
I don't see many of these NZU20 forwards wearing an AB jersey in the future.
This isn't a great class of U20s but I wouldn't be writing them all off yet as they gain experience and some muscle. The props did show that size isn't everything at this level.
McWhannel has a good workrate but too skinny.
Do you remember how skinny Whitelock was when he played for the U20s?
I like what I've seen from McWhannell and expect him to be a regular in the Waikato team this season, and possibly a squad member for the Chiefs from next year. He has a big engine and plenty of speed for a lock. Two examples from this mornings game. The first was midway through the 1st half when he made an important covering tackle in the midfield to stop a French counterattack that had breached the backline defence. The second was being in support for the break that should have resulted in the 2nd try if Jackson didn't drop the ball.
Agreed. I am excited by what I have seen from McWhannell all year. He has huge energy, a great leap, tackles with enthusiasm, and has speed and handling skills. He is a bit reminiscent of a young Brodie Retallick, and has time to bulk up. Flanders is abrasive and energetic and the two hookers look quite skilled. Mafileo and Cobb look promising at prop.
I hope the Chiefs sign up Roe quickly. His hold-up tackle over the line, and turnover were not his first for the Under 20s. He shows great speed on the break too, but sadly no opportunities today, and a booming box-kick - which was sighted today.
Clarke got better during the game, but looked a bit underdone. Koroi is always a threat. Most of the backs have shown talent at times. So, I am happy with the overall performances of the team this year - provided they play well in the bronze play-off.
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It is an ok team, I think you will find with the NZ set up we have one poor year and then a better year.
Both hookers, McWhannell and Christie do okay and will make it to super rugby I think, While Koroi will stick to 7s now. Plummer will play super cause he is with Blues while others could make squads. I think the two class players are Flanders and Clarke.
As for next year a number are returning.
Props Cobb and Uluilakepa and Flanders at 8.
In backs Proctor, Gregory, Clarke, Trask and Faainagnuku.
also Prop Ollie Norris and midfield Quinn Tupaea who have been brought over as inj cover.
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I watched that 'stamp' incident live and rewound it a couple of times to try and see what happened.
First he went to step over the French player on his way to clear the ball. IMO he went for a sly stamp on the arm when he found he couldn't put his foot down where he planned to. He also took no care with his trailing leg and that's what caught the head.
Looked like an attitude of 'if you're going to lie there you deserve to be walked over and I have no responsibility for your safety'
Is was more that he 'trod' on the player than stamped. Lifted the knee to get over then thought fuck it and put the foot down on the arm.
Deserves a ban for trampling without care. He could have pulled out and let the ref penalise the player in the way. I think the foot to the head was incidental to the lack of care elsewhere.Dumb thing to do as a young halfback looking for a career as that shit will now stick with him for future incidents.
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@chris said in 2018 New Zealand U20s:
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Must be a bummer for the two that only made it as far as NPC
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It is an ok team, I think you will find with the NZ set up we have one poor year and then a better year.
Both hookers, McWhannell and Christie do okay and will make it to super rugby I think, While Koroi will stick to 7s now. Plummer will play super cause he is with Blues while others could make squads. I think the two class players are Flanders and Clarke.
As for next year a number are returning.
Props Cobb and Uluilakepa and Flanders at 8.
In backs Proctor, Gregory, Clarke, Trask and Faainagnuku.
also Prop Ollie Norris and midfield Quinn Tupaea who have been brought over as inj cover.
Others who have been in training camps are Vaai (lock) and Toala (15) plus Etene Nanai.@98blueandgold I expect there will be quite a few more from last years Hastings Boys HS champions team in addition to Flanders and Toala: Josiah Tavita-Metcalfe (prop), Jeriah Mua (loosie), Lincoln McClutchie (first five-eighth), Folau Fakatava (halfback), possibly Kianu Kereru-Symes (prop) and Kini Naholo (if he decides to play for NZ) all have a good chance of making the team next year.
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@98blueandgold I expect there will be quite a few more from last years Hastings Boys HS champions team in addition to Flanders and Toala: Josiah Tavita-Metcalfe (prop), Jeriah Mua (loosie), Lincoln McClutchie (first five-eighth), Folau Fakatava (halfback), possibly Kianu Kereru-Symes (prop) and Kini Naholo (if he decides to play for NZ) all have a good chance of making the team next year.
@stargazer I think both props and possibly Fakatava are options from that group. Others from 2017 schools and barbarians who are a chance are Dyer and Williams at Prop, Grace (6), Ah Khoi and Alaimalo (although he reminds me of Sotutu to much) Fergus Burke at 10, Plumtree at Lock and Te Whata at 7.
There is such a difference once they leave school and you see a number drop off or come through. I think next year our props will be good but we need more combative big ball runners. Flanders will be excellent next year and maybe Ah Khoi in that roll with Clarke, Faainanuku, Tupaea out back.
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Hopefully most of last year's NZSS team are playing regular club rugby to test themselves at the next level post-school. I have seen Tupaea, Dyer, Alaimalo and Seti listed in the Waikato club rugby team sheets each week.
@bovidae All of the Hastings Boys that I mentioned are contracted to provincial unions; the players contracted to the Hawke's Bay union are indeed playing premiers club rugby at the moment and are in the HB wtg. It will be interesting to see how they go at the U19 tournament, but I have no doubt some will also play Mitre 10 Cup this season.
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@stargazer said in 2018 New Zealand U20s:
Well, at least the Frenchies have no reason to complain about the officiating.
ref is pretty good IMO.
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@bovidae said in 2018 New Zealand U20s:
@cgrant said in 2018 New Zealand U20s:
I don't see many of these NZU20 forwards wearing an AB jersey in the future.
This isn't a great class of U20s but I wouldn't be writing them all off yet as they gain experience and some muscle. The props did show that size isn't everything at this level.
McWhannel has a good workrate but too skinny.
Do you remember how skinny Whitelock was when he played for the U20s?
I like what I've seen from McWhannell and expect him to be a regular in the Waikato team this season, and possibly a squad member for the Chiefs from next year. He has a big engine and plenty of speed for a lock. Two examples from this mornings game. The first was midway through the 1st half when he made an important covering tackle in the midfield to stop a French counterattack that had breached the backline defence. The second was being in support for the break that should have resulted in the 2nd try if Jackson didn't drop the ball.
Ian Jones and Norm Maxwell had great AB careers. Not everyone is Brad Thorn or Troy Flavell.
@mn5 said in 2018 New Zealand U20s:
@bovidae said in 2018 New Zealand U20s:
@cgrant said in 2018 New Zealand U20s:
I don't see many of these NZU20 forwards wearing an AB jersey in the future.
This isn't a great class of U20s but I wouldn't be writing them all off yet as they gain experience and some muscle. The props did show that size isn't everything at this level.
McWhannel has a good workrate but too skinny.
Do you remember how skinny Whitelock was when he played for the U20s?
I like what I've seen from McWhannell and expect him to be a regular in the Waikato team this season, and possibly a squad member for the Chiefs from next year. He has a big engine and plenty of speed for a lock. Two examples from this mornings game. The first was midway through the 1st half when he made an important covering tackle in the midfield to stop a French counterattack that had breached the backline defence. The second was being in support for the break that should have resulted in the 2nd try if Jackson didn't drop the ball.
Ian Jones and Norm Maxwell had great AB careers. Not everyone is Brad Thorn or Troy Flavell.
Rugby has become far more physical since. It will be very hard for a skinny lock to impose himself at the international level.
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@mn5 said in 2018 New Zealand U20s:
@bovidae said in 2018 New Zealand U20s:
@cgrant said in 2018 New Zealand U20s:
I don't see many of these NZU20 forwards wearing an AB jersey in the future.
This isn't a great class of U20s but I wouldn't be writing them all off yet as they gain experience and some muscle. The props did show that size isn't everything at this level.
McWhannel has a good workrate but too skinny.
Do you remember how skinny Whitelock was when he played for the U20s?
I like what I've seen from McWhannell and expect him to be a regular in the Waikato team this season, and possibly a squad member for the Chiefs from next year. He has a big engine and plenty of speed for a lock. Two examples from this mornings game. The first was midway through the 1st half when he made an important covering tackle in the midfield to stop a French counterattack that had breached the backline defence. The second was being in support for the break that should have resulted in the 2nd try if Jackson didn't drop the ball.
Ian Jones and Norm Maxwell had great AB careers. Not everyone is Brad Thorn or Troy Flavell.
Rugby has become far more physical since. It will be very hard for a skinny lock to impose himself at the international level.
