All Blacks v France Test #2
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@mooshld said in All Blacks v France Test #2:
@bones I don't see it the same to be honest. I guess I was trying to say that there is now only one way to compete for the ball, jump. No jump well you didn't compete.
I agree people charging in with no regard for others around should be penalised. But I also think that in all fairness if you launch yourself at a stationary player from 3 meters away and get flipped as a consequence that is tough shit.
And you think that happened in this case?
@rancid-schnitzel said in All Blacks v France Test #2:
@mooshld said in All Blacks v France Test #2:
@bones I don't see it the same to be honest. I guess I was trying to say that there is now only one way to compete for the ball, jump. No jump well you didn't compete.
I agree people charging in with no regard for others around should be penalised. But I also think that in all fairness if you launch yourself at a stationary player from 3 meters away and get flipped as a consequence that is tough shit.
And you think that happened in this case?
Nope which is why it should have stayed a red.
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@rancid-schnitzel said in All Blacks v France Test #2:
@mooshld said in All Blacks v France Test #2:
@bones I don't see it the same to be honest. I guess I was trying to say that there is now only one way to compete for the ball, jump. No jump well you didn't compete.
I agree people charging in with no regard for others around should be penalised. But I also think that in all fairness if you launch yourself at a stationary player from 3 meters away and get flipped as a consequence that is tough shit.
And you think that happened in this case?
Nope which is why it should have stayed a red.
@mooshld said in All Blacks v France Test #2:
@rancid-schnitzel said in All Blacks v France Test #2:
@mooshld said in All Blacks v France Test #2:
@bones I don't see it the same to be honest. I guess I was trying to say that there is now only one way to compete for the ball, jump. No jump well you didn't compete.
I agree people charging in with no regard for others around should be penalised. But I also think that in all fairness if you launch yourself at a stationary player from 3 meters away and get flipped as a consequence that is tough shit.
And you think that happened in this case?
Nope which is why it should have stayed a red.
Fair enough
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@mooshld said in All Blacks v France Test #2:
@rancid-schnitzel said in All Blacks v France Test #2:
@mooshld said in All Blacks v France Test #2:
@bones I don't see it the same to be honest. I guess I was trying to say that there is now only one way to compete for the ball, jump. No jump well you didn't compete.
I agree people charging in with no regard for others around should be penalised. But I also think that in all fairness if you launch yourself at a stationary player from 3 meters away and get flipped as a consequence that is tough shit.
And you think that happened in this case?
Nope which is why it should have stayed a red.
Fair enough
@rancid-schnitzel said in All Blacks v France Test #2:
@mooshld said in All Blacks v France Test #2:
@rancid-schnitzel said in All Blacks v France Test #2:
@mooshld said in All Blacks v France Test #2:
@bones I don't see it the same to be honest. I guess I was trying to say that there is now only one way to compete for the ball, jump. No jump well you didn't compete.
I agree people charging in with no regard for others around should be penalised. But I also think that in all fairness if you launch yourself at a stationary player from 3 meters away and get flipped as a consequence that is tough shit.
And you think that happened in this case?
Nope which is why it should have stayed a red.
Fair enough
What just happened there???
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@pukunui said in All Blacks v France Test #2:
Serious question: Are the judiciary controlled by World Rugby or are they just a bunch of lawyers doing their best to come up with complicated rulings and obscure defences? WR should be annoyed by this because it undoes all the work they have put into this area in the last few years. I guarantee they won't say anything publically about it though. If it was an AB getting off on the other hand.....
You mean like how Tu'ungafasi got off?
Th whole reason they rubbed out the red is because Tu'ungafasi wasn't even carded. I suppose it's all down to perspective. Had it been Cane in hospital with a fractured skull, I wonder if you would have anything to say about the offending player unintentionally injuring Cane.
I'll make it simple:
Cane & Tu'ungafasi unintentionally injure Grosso = No card/citing
Fall unintentionally injures Barrett = Off for 70 odd min with a red cardIt looks so bent that WR had to do something - And it does little to console the French imo.
I was at the game, and literally everyone was talking about how they didnt pay to watch 15-14. That call killed the game. Red cards need a 10min binning followed by an enforced subbing of the offending player.
Anyways, the game may have been forgettable, but the atmosphere generated by the sellout crowd redeemed the night. Will be back for the AB vs Bok game. Probably be a bittersweet moment.
@pn said in All Blacks v France Test #2:
@pukunui said in All Blacks v France Test #2:
Serious question: Are the judiciary controlled by World Rugby or are they just a bunch of lawyers doing their best to come up with complicated rulings and obscure defences? WR should be annoyed by this because it undoes all the work they have put into this area in the last few years. I guarantee they won't say anything publically about it though. If it was an AB getting off on the other hand.....
You mean like how Tu'ungafasi got off?
Isn't that exactly his point? The chairman of world rugby publicly tweeted his personal undermining of his ref, TMO and Judiciary last week after being badgered by 'neutral' media on his twitter account.
What will he do this week? Nothing, because Reuben at stuff.co.nz social media desk has no followers ....
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@pakman said in All Blacks v France Test #2:
Forgive me for intimating we might take a leaf out of AFL books, but surely those crazies have a rule to reduce the carnage which might otherwise result from their marking antics?
Big difference between the two is that they more often have a pack of guys all moving in the same direction. The collisions therefore have less force and, more often, guys land safely. With rugby, guys contesting are almost always moving in opposite directions, which increases the impact of the collisions and, in turn, creates more risk.
@pakman said in All Blacks v France Test #2
Forgive me for intimating we might take a leaf out of AFL books, but surely those crazies have a rule to reduce the carnage which might otherwise result from their marking antics?
I think in AFL and Basketball this would be an ejection. I believe their rules mean if you take out a jumpers legs from under them then it wasn't a realistic jump.
I'm no expert though.
I also believe- If they went shoulder to shoulder and someone fell on their head, by some fluke, then unlike rugby (until the judiciary just turned everything upside down ....) they don't rule on outcome from a fair jump?
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@pakman said in All Blacks v France Test #2
Forgive me for intimating we might take a leaf out of AFL books, but surely those crazies have a rule to reduce the carnage which might otherwise result from their marking antics?
I think in AFL and Basketball this would be an ejection. I believe their rules mean if you take out a jumpers legs from under them then it wasn't a realistic jump.
I'm no expert though.
I also believe- If they went shoulder to shoulder and someone fell on their head, by some fluke, then unlike rugby (until the judiciary just turned everything upside down ....) they don't rule on outcome from a fair jump?
@rapido said in All Blacks v France Test #2:
@pakman said in All Blacks v France Test #2
Forgive me for intimating we might take a leaf out of AFL books, but surely those crazies have a rule to reduce the carnage which might otherwise result from their marking antics?
I think in AFL and Basketball this would be an ejection. I believe their rules mean if you take out a jumpers legs from under them then it wasn't a realistic jump.
I'm no expert though.
I also believe- If they went shoulder to shoulder and someone fell on their head, by some fluke, then unlike rugby (until the judiciary just turned everything upside down ....) they don't rule on outcome from a fair jump?
I had a quick look at the AFL rulebook and this may be the clause in which it is covered.
A Player makes Prohibited Contact with an opposition Player if the Player: (a) makes contact or attempts to make contact with any part of their body with an opposition Player in a manner likely to cause injury; (i) above the shoulders (including the top of the shoulders); or (ii) below the knees.
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@rapido said in All Blacks v France Test #2:
@pakman said in All Blacks v France Test #2
Forgive me for intimating we might take a leaf out of AFL books, but surely those crazies have a rule to reduce the carnage which might otherwise result from their marking antics?
I think in AFL and Basketball this would be an ejection. I believe their rules mean if you take out a jumpers legs from under them then it wasn't a realistic jump.
I'm no expert though.
I also believe- If they went shoulder to shoulder and someone fell on their head, by some fluke, then unlike rugby (until the judiciary just turned everything upside down ....) they don't rule on outcome from a fair jump?
I had a quick look at the AFL rulebook and this may be the clause in which it is covered.
A Player makes Prohibited Contact with an opposition Player if the Player: (a) makes contact or attempts to make contact with any part of their body with an opposition Player in a manner likely to cause injury; (i) above the shoulders (including the top of the shoulders); or (ii) below the knees.
@crucial said in All Blacks v France Test #2:
@rapido said in All Blacks v France Test #2:
@pakman said in All Blacks v France Test #2
Forgive me for intimating we might take a leaf out of AFL books, but surely those crazies have a rule to reduce the carnage which might otherwise result from their marking antics?
I think in AFL and Basketball this would be an ejection. I believe their rules mean if you take out a jumpers legs from under them then it wasn't a realistic jump.
I'm no expert though.
I also believe- If they went shoulder to shoulder and someone fell on their head, by some fluke, then unlike rugby (until the judiciary just turned everything upside down ....) they don't rule on outcome from a fair jump?
I had a quick look at the AFL rulebook and this may be the clause in which it is covered.
A Player makes Prohibited Contact with an opposition Player if the Player: (a) makes contact or attempts to make contact with any part of their body with an opposition Player in a manner likely to cause injury; (i) above the shoulders (including the top of the shoulders); or (ii) below the knees.
That's a nicely worded rule
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@voltron said in All Blacks v France Test #2:
@rocky-rockbottom
That’s a truly shit analysis.
What about McKenzie showing that he is a world class 10?
Won’t he long before he overtakes BarrettYou are taking the piss right? Thought McKenzie well and truly showed that hes not a first fives asshole.
@jk said in All Blacks v France Test #2:
@voltron said in All Blacks v France Test #2:
@rocky-rockbottom
That’s a truly shit analysis.
What about McKenzie showing that he is a world class 10?
Won’t he long before he overtakes BarrettYou are taking the piss right? Thought McKenzie well and truly showed that hes not a first fives asshole.
Well I don’t really watch rugby but I know talent when I see it. Dmac will start at the World Cup
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@jk said in All Blacks v France Test #2:
@voltron said in All Blacks v France Test #2:
@rocky-rockbottom
That’s a truly shit analysis.
What about McKenzie showing that he is a world class 10?
Won’t he long before he overtakes BarrettYou are taking the piss right? Thought McKenzie well and truly showed that hes not a first fives asshole.
Well I don’t really watch rugby but I know talent when I see it. Dmac will start at the World Cup
@voltron said in All Blacks v France Test #2:
@jk said in All Blacks v France Test #2:
@voltron said in All Blacks v France Test #2:
@rocky-rockbottom
That’s a truly shit analysis.
What about McKenzie showing that he is a world class 10?
Won’t he long before he overtakes BarrettYou are taking the piss right? Thought McKenzie well and truly showed that hes not a first fives asshole.
Well I don’t really watch rugby but I know talent when I see it. Dmac will start at the World Cup
That, is brilliant. You should really take up sports betting with an astute mind like that.
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@voltron said in All Blacks v France Test #2:
@jk said in All Blacks v France Test #2:
@voltron said in All Blacks v France Test #2:
@rocky-rockbottom
That’s a truly shit analysis.
What about McKenzie showing that he is a world class 10?
Won’t he long before he overtakes BarrettYou are taking the piss right? Thought McKenzie well and truly showed that hes not a first fives asshole.
Well I don’t really watch rugby but I know talent when I see it. Dmac will start at the World Cup
That, is brilliant. You should really take up sports betting with an astute mind like that.
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@bones Here’s the thing though, if I’m right, in 12 months I come swanning in here swinging my dick around like Johnny Fucking Holmes. If I’m wrong, who the fuck are any of you pricks anyway?
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@jk said in All Blacks v France Test #2:
@voltron said in All Blacks v France Test #2:
@rocky-rockbottom
That’s a truly shit analysis.
What about McKenzie showing that he is a world class 10?
Won’t he long before he overtakes BarrettYou are taking the piss right? Thought McKenzie well and truly showed that hes not a first fives asshole.
Well I don’t really watch rugby but I know talent when I see it. Dmac will start at the World Cup
@voltron said in All Blacks v France Test #2:
@jk said in All Blacks v France Test #2:
@voltron said in All Blacks v France Test #2:
@rocky-rockbottom
That’s a truly shit analysis.
What about McKenzie showing that he is a world class 10?
Won’t he long before he overtakes BarrettYou are taking the piss right? Thought McKenzie well and truly showed that hes not a first fives asshole.
Well I don’t really watch rugby but I know talent when I see it. Dmac will start at the World Cup
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Couldn't resist a slow mo look at RC.
It seems clear, at least to me, that had Fall done everything the same, other than jumping much higher, no card would have been justified. I don't believe that he wasn't in a position to challenge. The tip over was caused by BB jumping much higher (or Fall much lower) and catching his raised knee on Fall's thigh.
If both players jump high (or low) there is a big collision, but little chance of tip over.
If it had been AFL Fall would have been a foot or two above where he was and unlikely an injury would have resulted.
No idea how one can legislate to ensure both players contesting a high kick jump at roughly similar heights. -
And this time last year IIRC when WR were clamping down on contests in the air, I bemoaned the fact people were being sent off for simply not jumping as high as another competitor. The pendulum has now swung so far back the other way, I'm surprised Beaudy hasn't been called to account for dangerous play.
Look on the bright side. Now the law's been clarified, Beaudy, Rieko and Jordie can engineer something, keeping their eyes on the ball and take out Mike Brown at Twickenham in November......
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@jk said in All Blacks v France Test #2:
@voltron said in All Blacks v France Test #2:
@rocky-rockbottom
That’s a truly shit analysis.
What about McKenzie showing that he is a world class 10?
Won’t he long before he overtakes BarrettYou are taking the piss right? Thought McKenzie well and truly showed that hes not a first fives asshole.
Well I don’t really watch rugby but I know talent when I see it. Dmac will start at the World Cup
@voltron said in All Blacks v France Test #2:
@jk said in All Blacks v France Test #2:
@voltron said in All Blacks v France Test #2:
@rocky-rockbottom
That’s a truly shit analysis.
What about McKenzie showing that he is a world class 10?
Won’t he long before he overtakes BarrettYou are taking the piss right? Thought McKenzie well and truly showed that hes not a first fives asshole.
Well I don’t really watch rugby but I know talent when I see it. Dmac will start at the World Cup
Hopefully not at 10
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Couldn't resist a slow mo look at RC.
It seems clear, at least to me, that had Fall done everything the same, other than jumping much higher, no card would have been justified. I don't believe that he wasn't in a position to challenge. The tip over was caused by BB jumping much higher (or Fall much lower) and catching his raised knee on Fall's thigh.
If both players jump high (or low) there is a big collision, but little chance of tip over.
If it had been AFL Fall would have been a foot or two above where he was and unlikely an injury would have resulted.
No idea how one can legislate to ensure both players contesting a high kick jump at roughly similar heights.@pakman said in All Blacks v France Test #2:
Couldn't resist a slow mo look at RC.
Hope you fast-forwarded thru the rest of the game....
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Look on the bright side. Now the law's been clarified, Beaudy, Rieko and Jordie can engineer something, keeping their eyes on the ball and take out Mike Brown at Twickenham in November......
@victor-meldrew said in All Blacks v France Test #2:
Look on the bright side. Now the law's been clarified, Beaudy, Rieko and Jordie can engineer something, keeping their eyes on the ball and take out Mike Brown at Twickenham in November......
I don't think anything has been clarified, I still expect a red next time someone does that. Unless, maybe, you brush another player within a 5m radius of the catcher?
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@victor-meldrew said in All Blacks v France Test #2:
Look on the bright side. Now the law's been clarified, Beaudy, Rieko and Jordie can engineer something, keeping their eyes on the ball and take out Mike Brown at Twickenham in November......
I don't think anything has been clarified, I still expect a red next time someone does that. Unless, maybe, you brush another player within a 5m radius of the catcher?
@rapido I dunno, I expect refs will be shit scared of issuing one now for fear of being called out publicly as getting it wrong.
Test 1 Pearce was let down by his TMO & Assistants, this week Gardner has been let down by the Judiciary, who incidentally also played a hand in making a hash of the non-citing and subsequent warning to Ofa as well...what will game 3 turn up.
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Yep maybe we just stop contesting the ball in the air, and at LOs to make it simpler....oh wait
