All Blacks v Springboks

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Springboks

15 Willie le Roux (Wasps, England), 47, 55 - 11t
14 Jesse Kriel (Vodacom Bulls), 33, 45 - 9t
13 Lukhanyo Am (Cell C Sharks), 5, 5 - 1t
12 Damian de Allende (DHL Stormers), 31, 15 - 3t
11 Aphiwe Dyantyi (Emirates Lions), 6, 15 - 3t
10 Handré Pollard (Vodacom Bulls), 32, 254 - 3t, 46c, 46p, 3d
9 Faf de Klerk (Sale Sharks, England), 17, 10 - 2t
8 Warren Whiteley (Emirates Lions), 20, 15 - 3t
7 Pieter-Steph du Toit (DHL Stormers), 39, 20 - 4t
6 Siya Kolisi (captain, DHL Stormers), 34, 25 - 5t
5 Franco Mostert (Gloucester, England), 23, 5 - 1t
4 Eben Etzebeth (DHL Stormers), 70 - 15 - 3t
3 Frans Malherbe (DHL Stormers), 22, 0
2 Malcolm Marx (Emirates Lions), 17, 15 - 3t
1 Steven Kitshoff (DHL Stormers), 30, 5 - 1t

Replacements:
16 Bongi Mbonambi (DHL Stormers), 19, 10 - 2t
17 Tendai Mtawarira (Cell C Sharks), 104, 10 - 2t
18 Wilco Louw (DHL Stormers), 9, 0
19 RG Snyman (Vodacom Bulls), 5, 0
20 Francois Louw (Bath, England), 60, 45 - 9t
21 Ross Cronjé (Emirates Lions), 10, 10 - 2t
22 Elton Jantjies (Emirates Lions, 27, 223 - 2t, 42c, 43p
23 Cheslin Kolbe (Toulouse, France), 1, 0

Pollard comes into the starting line-up and Elton Jantjies is set to play off the bench. Jesse Kriel is picked on the right wing as a result of the injury to Makazole Mapimpi, who has returned to South Africa to undergo further scans on his right knee.

As a result, Am takes Kriel’s position at outside centre and partners Damian de Allende in a new-look midfield combination.

The only change to the pack sees Marx rotating starting places with Bongi Mbonambi in the No 2 jersey and amongst the reserves, Ross Cronje swaps places with Embrose Papier as the backup scrumhalf.

http://www.sarugby.co.za/article.aspx?category=sarugby/springboks&id=4384144

Nepia

@bones said in All Blacks v Springboks:

@nepia Pearce off, you said he barely performs at super level, which is a load of shit. As I said, he's often very good, plus has been good for the ABs. Or are you going to make stuff up and say he's also poor for the ABs?

If you've got a problem with him being selected, who's your selection?

I don't have an alternative selection, as I said the gap is just big between the top two and the rest. I hope he plays better than Harris has been.

FFS, disagreeing with your fluffing of him isn't making things up. He's played two tests for the ABs and less than 30 minutes in total, hardly enough to make a judgement.

antipodean

Given the shower of shit the Springboks displayed last week after losing to Argentina, I'm not at all concerned about this weekend.

No Quarter

@mariner4life said in All Blacks v Springboks:

Interestingly, given the discussion?bitch fest below, i just got an email from Rugby News (fuck knows why, i haven't had a subscription in 10 years?) and they are talking about a ~~Drederick Tatum~~ Ian Jones article about the 5 players we need fit for the World Cup next year.

One of the first names that popped in to my head was Taylor, and given the preview, he appears to be one of them.

If it was my article
Retallic
Read
Taylor
A Smith
Cane/Whitelock

They are the only guys i can think of that don't really have adequate replacements

Agreed. Slightly different topic but I'd also add that blindside and right wing don't have strong front-runners at the moment so are two positions we really need to develop before the RWC. Squire was good in his last hit out but is notoriously inconsistent, and Naholo gives you all four seasons every game he plays.

Jordie goes someway to solving the right wing position but means we have to play our best 15 at 14. Frizzell looks promising to fill the blindside but is very very raw.

Bovidae

I assume Vermeulen isn't in the tour party?

mariner4life

@antipodean said in All Blacks v Springboks:

Given the shower of shit the Springboks displayed last week after losing to Argentina, I'm not at all concerned about this weekend.

they did almost win in Brisbane. That's not that easy

antipodean

@mariner4life said in All Blacks v Springboks:

@antipodean said in All Blacks v Springboks:

Given the shower of shit the Springboks displayed last week after losing to Argentina, I'm not at all concerned about this weekend.

they did almost win in Brisbane. That's not that easy

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antipodean

@mariner4life said in All Blacks v Springboks:

Interestingly, given the discussion?bitch fest below, i just got an email from Rugby News (fuck knows why, i haven't had a subscription in 10 years?) and they are talking about a ~~Drederick Tatum~~ Ian Jones article about the 5 players we need fit for the World Cup next year.

One of the first names that popped in to my head was Taylor, and given the preview, he appears to be one of them.

If it was my article
Retallic
Read
Taylor
A Smith
Cane/Whitelock

They are the only guys i can think of that don't really have adequate replacements

Retallick is irreplaceable.
Read - be nice if Akira got some gametime.
I thought TJP was very good against Argentina. Perhaps he's another that's better suited to starting? Also TTT has all sorts of promise. Not as worried here.
I've got Sam Cane on my pencil case, but there's a bloke from Canterbury who is pretty handy at a minute's notice.
Captain Caveman is pretty hard to replace too. You can have Barrett on the field for either of our locks, but if we lose both we look much more mortal.

mariner4life

@antipodean said in All Blacks v Springboks:

@mariner4life said in All Blacks v Springboks:

Interestingly, given the discussion?bitch fest below, i just got an email from Rugby News (fuck knows why, i haven't had a subscription in 10 years?) and they are talking about a ~~Drederick Tatum~~ Ian Jones article about the 5 players we need fit for the World Cup next year.

One of the first names that popped in to my head was Taylor, and given the preview, he appears to be one of them.

If it was my article
Retallic
Read
Taylor
A Smith
Cane/Whitelock

They are the only guys i can think of that don't really have adequate replacements

Retallick is irreplaceable.
Read - be nice if Akira got some gametime.
I thought TJP was very good against Argentina. Perhaps he's another that's better suited to starting? Also TTT has all sorts of promise. Not as worried here.
I've got Sam Cane on my pencil case, but there's a bloke from Canterbury who is pretty handy at a minute's notice.
Captain Caveman is pretty hard to replace too. You can have Barrett on the field for either of our locks, but if we lose both we look much more mortal.

while I don't disagree with any of what you said
I think Read and Retallic are the guys that elevate our pack from really good to great. Real point of difference players
A Smith is our master organiser. While TJP is not without his talents, he isn't as good at organising our play, and his pass is far below what A Smith provides. I think in a big game we are a different team with TJP at 9.
I agree about Todd, but what Cane provides that none of the other options do is shuddering defense.

Stargazer

@bovidae He was never in the 2018 Springboks squad due to contractual issues with his Japanese club. I thought they had sorted it, but apparently not (SARU don't mention him at all). Last weekend, he was still in Japan.

Bones

@nepia you said you'd be happy except Coltman has been selected. So you'd rather they didn't drop Harris, or they selected someone else?

You also said he barely performs at super level, which was utter bollocks.

And now I'm fluffing by calling you on bullshit? Yuh huh.

Nepia

@bones said in All Blacks v Springboks:

@nepia you said you'd be happy except Coltman has been selected. So you'd rather they didn't drop Harris, or they selected someone else?

You also said he barely performs at super level, which was utter bollocks.

And now I'm fluffing by calling you on bullshit? Yuh huh.

No, the two of them are even - basically I'm not happy either way and I get to piss of BoP and Coltman fans in the process.

He's not a stand out at Super level, his performances don't scream 'pick me' for the ABs. You may think different but that's just your opinion and it differs from mine.

Bones

@nepia barely performing as opposed to screaming pick me are quite opposite ends of the spectrum I'd say.

Slightly different note, as Harris can't throw in, he can just take NMS spot on the wing.

Nepia

@bones said in All Blacks v Springboks:

@nepia barely performing as opposed to screaming pick me are quite opposite ends of the spectrum I'd say.

Slightly different note, as Harris can't throw in, he can just take NMS spot on the wing.

I'll have to be very specific with my language next time.

Agreed on Harris, he's quite a good wing for the Chiefs.

Catogrande

@booboo said in All Blacks v Springboks:

@nzzp said in All Blacks v Springboks:

@taniwharugby said in All Blacks v Springboks:

I know they have protocols and will have access to good medical advice, but I'd of been tempted to give Crotty and Cane the rest of TRC off.

Respectfully, this is classic Fern/Internet/Media naval gazing. I'm not having a pop at you - aimless speculation is what we're here for - but I'm OK with their call.

it's kind of: I know they have all the medical records and specialists giving us advice, but I think they are WRONG! It's a small step to THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU VACCINATE! WAKE UP SHEEPLE! YOUR GOVERNMENT IS LYING TO YOU!

There's a joke about boats but I can't think of it ...

More likely to be about ~~sailors~~ seamen

MN5

@bones said in All Blacks v Springboks:

@nepia barely performing as opposed to screaming pick me are quite opposite ends of the spectrum I'd say.

Slightly different note, as Harris can't throw in, he can just take NMS spot on the wing.

Touching on that.....I genuinely think NMS has had a more dramatic fall than Rokokoko/Cullen.....thoughts on this? They went from being freaks to being merely ok. He's taken a much bigger tumble from a lower height.

nzzp

@mn5 said in All Blacks v Springboks:

@bones said in All Blacks v Springboks:

@nepia barely performing as opposed to screaming pick me are quite opposite ends of the spectrum I'd say.

Slightly different note, as Harris can't throw in, he can just take NMS spot on the wing.

Touching on that.....I genuinely think NMS has had a more dramatic fall than Rokokoko/Cullen.....thoughts on this? They went from being freaks to being merely ok. He's taken a much bigger tumble from a lower height.

... and managed to get picked for the ABs! Mind you, so did Savea for a logn time, and he'd be up there in terms of loss of form.

pukunui

@mn5 said in All Blacks v Springboks:

@bones said in All Blacks v Springboks:

@nepia barely performing as opposed to screaming pick me are quite opposite ends of the spectrum I'd say.

Slightly different note, as Harris can't throw in, he can just take NMS spot on the wing.

Touching on that.....I genuinely think NMS has had a more dramatic fall than Rokokoko/Cullen.....thoughts on this? They went from being freaks to being merely ok. He's taken a much bigger tumble from a lower height.

How many games has he actually played in the last 3 years? I would put this down to injuries wrecking a career rather than a form falling off a cliff.

Nepia

He also had one of the most meteoric rises too. He had one awesome Super campaign that elevated him into the ABs. I actually think that Andre Taylor was better in his break out Super season and it didn't carry him into the ABs.

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