All Blacks v Springboks
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@jegga said in All Blacks v Springboks:
@mn5 said in All Blacks v Springboks:
Latest rankings. Cab someone explain how these work ? Full credit to S.A. but surely one won doesn't guarantee a jump of two spots?
Australia at 7 ? That must be their lowest ranking ever
Nah, in the 70s they managed to get to ninth. Predictably there are claims the coaches have to go, with counter claims asking "ok, who?".
I think making the RWC final in 2015 gave a false impression. It's been a continual slide. Since then they've managed 15 wins from 36 Tests, a success rate of 41 percent.
@antipodean said in All Blacks v Springboks:
@jegga said in All Blacks v Springboks:
@mn5 said in All Blacks v Springboks:
Latest rankings. Cab someone explain how these work ? Full credit to S.A. but surely one won doesn't guarantee a jump of two spots?
Australia at 7 ? That must be their lowest ranking ever
Nah, in the 70s they managed to get to ninth. Predictably there are claims the coaches have to go, with counter claims asking "ok, who?".
I think making the RWC final in 2015 gave a false impression. It's been a continual slide. Since then they've managed 15 wins from 36 Tests, a success rate of 41 percent.
Rankings don't go back that far.
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@antipodean said in All Blacks v Springboks:
@jegga said in All Blacks v Springboks:
@mn5 said in All Blacks v Springboks:
Latest rankings. Cab someone explain how these work ? Full credit to S.A. but surely one won doesn't guarantee a jump of two spots?
Australia at 7 ? That must be their lowest ranking ever
Nah, in the 70s they managed to get to ninth. Predictably there are claims the coaches have to go, with counter claims asking "ok, who?".
I think making the RWC final in 2015 gave a false impression. It's been a continual slide. Since then they've managed 15 wins from 36 Tests, a success rate of 41 percent.
Rankings don't go back that far.
@booboo said in All Blacks v Springboks:
@antipodean said in All Blacks v Springboks:
@jegga said in All Blacks v Springboks:
@mn5 said in All Blacks v Springboks:
Latest rankings. Cab someone explain how these work ? Full credit to S.A. but surely one won doesn't guarantee a jump of two spots?
Australia at 7 ? That must be their lowest ranking ever
Nah, in the 70s they managed to get to ninth. Predictably there are claims the coaches have to go, with counter claims asking "ok, who?".
I think making the RWC final in 2015 gave a false impression. It's been a continual slide. Since then they've managed 15 wins from 36 Tests, a success rate of 41 percent.
Rankings don't go back that far.
Hasn't someone done a historical rankings based on the results? Or did I dream that?
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@booboo said in All Blacks v Springboks:
@antipodean said in All Blacks v Springboks:
@jegga said in All Blacks v Springboks:
@mn5 said in All Blacks v Springboks:
Latest rankings. Cab someone explain how these work ? Full credit to S.A. but surely one won doesn't guarantee a jump of two spots?
Australia at 7 ? That must be their lowest ranking ever
Nah, in the 70s they managed to get to ninth. Predictably there are claims the coaches have to go, with counter claims asking "ok, who?".
I think making the RWC final in 2015 gave a false impression. It's been a continual slide. Since then they've managed 15 wins from 36 Tests, a success rate of 41 percent.
Rankings don't go back that far.
Hasn't someone done a historical rankings based on the results? Or did I dream that?
@nepia said in All Blacks v Springboks:
@booboo said in All Blacks v Springboks:
@antipodean said in All Blacks v Springboks:
@jegga said in All Blacks v Springboks:
@mn5 said in All Blacks v Springboks:
Latest rankings. Cab someone explain how these work ? Full credit to S.A. but surely one won doesn't guarantee a jump of two spots?
Australia at 7 ? That must be their lowest ranking ever
Nah, in the 70s they managed to get to ninth. Predictably there are claims the coaches have to go, with counter claims asking "ok, who?".
I think making the RWC final in 2015 gave a false impression. It's been a continual slide. Since then they've managed 15 wins from 36 Tests, a success rate of 41 percent.
Rankings don't go back that far.
Hasn't someone done a historical rankings based on the results? Or did I dream that?
you can check on lassen.co.nz
It's retrospective but gives some historical reference to how shit they've been and that's what counts IMO.
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@nepia said in All Blacks v Springboks:
@booboo said in All Blacks v Springboks:
@antipodean said in All Blacks v Springboks:
@jegga said in All Blacks v Springboks:
@mn5 said in All Blacks v Springboks:
Latest rankings. Cab someone explain how these work ? Full credit to S.A. but surely one won doesn't guarantee a jump of two spots?
Australia at 7 ? That must be their lowest ranking ever
Nah, in the 70s they managed to get to ninth. Predictably there are claims the coaches have to go, with counter claims asking "ok, who?".
I think making the RWC final in 2015 gave a false impression. It's been a continual slide. Since then they've managed 15 wins from 36 Tests, a success rate of 41 percent.
Rankings don't go back that far.
Hasn't someone done a historical rankings based on the results? Or did I dream that?
you can check on lassen.co.nz
It's retrospective but gives some historical reference to how shit they've been and that's what counts IMO.
@antipodean said in All Blacks v Springboks:
@nepia said in All Blacks v Springboks:
@booboo said in All Blacks v Springboks:
@antipodean said in All Blacks v Springboks:
@jegga said in All Blacks v Springboks:
@mn5 said in All Blacks v Springboks:
Latest rankings. Cab someone explain how these work ? Full credit to S.A. but surely one won doesn't guarantee a jump of two spots?
Australia at 7 ? That must be their lowest ranking ever
Nah, in the 70s they managed to get to ninth. Predictably there are claims the coaches have to go, with counter claims asking "ok, who?".
I think making the RWC final in 2015 gave a false impression. It's been a continual slide. Since then they've managed 15 wins from 36 Tests, a success rate of 41 percent.
Rankings don't go back that far.
Hasn't someone done a historical rankings based on the results? Or did I dream that?
you can check on lassen.co.nz
It's retrospective but gives some historical reference to how shit they've been and that's what counts IMO.
So that was weird - looking at a pic of some family ... then seeing the link for the stats down below.
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@bones said in All Blacks v Springboks:
@nepia said in All Blacks v Springboks:
@bones said in All Blacks v Springboks:
@nevorian said in All Blacks v Springboks:
@no-quarter said in All Blacks v Springboks:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks v Springboks:
@antipodean said in All Blacks v Springboks:
Jordie to kick long range. Sorted.
yea, relying on JB composure, what could possibly go wrong?
It was Jordie's composure against the Lions that got him the jumper in the first place. He shat the bed in that SA test - I reckon his feet should be firmly planted on the ground again now - so hopefully he goes back to doing the basics.
If that quick throw had bounced the right way Reiko was probably down the other end scoring a try, but yeah blind Freddie could see there were 2 or 3 springboks there ready to pounce and it was very high risk.
Might have helped if Ioane hadn't run away from the ball... I'm pretty sure if Ioane isn't calling for that, Barrett doesn't throw it. Yet Barrett is getting all the shit when the guy who called it decided to drop nuts and make it look really bad.
Barrett deserves all the shit, he threw the ball. In nearly every match you see players calling for a quick lineout and the player doesn't throw the ball. Ioane deserves the shit he got for getting bundled into touch too often but this was all on the passer.
Oh yeah fuck of course. Just like if the hooker throws in and no one jumps, bloody hooker! Players dropping the ball when it's passed to them - Why on earth is the passer passing it?
That's not even analogous. A set line out is completely different than a quick throw in. You can't tell you haven't seen players not throwing quick throw ins when a player is screaming for the ball. JB made a decision to make a high risk move, it didn't work, he's a big guy and can cop the blame for it.
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@nepia said in All Blacks v Springboks:
You can clearly see he's anticipating the ball bouncing towards him
Seems kinda arrogant, why not move towards the ball so it doesn't bounce?
@antipodean yeah who does he think he is!!? Snakey??
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http://www.allblacks.com/News/24300/wellington-otago-dan-and-goal-kicking-study-completed-by-nzr
this could possibly be a whole new thread but surprise surprise Westpac is the worst stadium for kicking success in the world. Would be great to see some more recent stats
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http://www.allblacks.com/News/24300/wellington-otago-dan-and-goal-kicking-study-completed-by-nzr
this could possibly be a whole new thread but surprise surprise Westpac is the worst stadium for kicking success in the world. Would be great to see some more recent stats
@nevorian haven't read the article but something to probably take into account is almost all those tests would involve the ABs. So most of the ABs kicks are probably from conversions, which are more likely to be tougher kicks than penalties which you generally only take if there's a high chance of success. Plus, I'd say the ABs aren't exactly renowned for having gun kickers when compared to other sides.
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@nevorian haven't read the article but something to probably take into account is almost all those tests would involve the ABs. So most of the ABs kicks are probably from conversions, which are more likely to be tougher kicks than penalties which you generally only take if there's a high chance of success. Plus, I'd say the ABs aren't exactly renowned for having gun kickers when compared to other sides.
@bones said in All Blacks v Springboks:
@nevorian haven't read the article but something to probably take into account is almost all those tests would involve the ABs. So most of the ABs kicks are probably from conversions, which are more likely to be tougher kicks than penalties which you generally only take if there's a high chance of success. Plus, I'd say the ABs aren't exactly renowned for having gun kickers when compared to other sides.
How good was old mate Chris Paterson from Scotland. 36 kicks In a row. What a player.
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@bones said in All Blacks v Springboks:
@nevorian haven't read the article but something to probably take into account is almost all those tests would involve the ABs. So most of the ABs kicks are probably from conversions, which are more likely to be tougher kicks than penalties which you generally only take if there's a high chance of success. Plus, I'd say the ABs aren't exactly renowned for having gun kickers when compared to other sides.
How good was old mate Chris Paterson from Scotland. 36 kicks In a row. What a player.
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While we're pointing the finger at players, a friend who was at the game said TJP would have scored his try after the Goodhue linebreak if he had ran towards the corner. For some unknown reason he cut back towards the defence and was tackled by Whitely.
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@Bovidae yeah that annoyed me at the time, he ran completely the wrong angle when he got the ball. I thought he was in for all money.
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While we're pointing the finger at players, a friend who was at the game said TJP would have scored his try after the Goodhue linebreak if he had ran towards the corner. For some unknown reason he cut back towards the defence and was tackled by Whitely.
@bovidae I mentioned it at the time on here, I wondered why he didnt keep tracking across the park, with the angle he was running he should have dotted down well inside the RH corner.
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We're building a good list of scapegoats now:
Jordie - outrageous quick throw with Bok defenders everywhere
Rieko - bundled into touch too often / called for quick throw then ran away from it
ALB - dumb intercept gifting them a try / ignored A Smith on his outside butchering a try Folau style
Beauden - woeful kicking, both at goal and in general play
Read - buck stops with the captain when setting up the winning play (drop goal FFS)
TJP - butchered a try running the complete wrong angle and got cut down by a big fat no. 8
DMac - poor ball security on the final play when we had an overlapThink that covers it - anyone else we can hate on?
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We're building a good list of scapegoats now:
Jordie - outrageous quick throw with Bok defenders everywhere
Rieko - bundled into touch too often / called for quick throw then ran away from it
ALB - dumb intercept gifting them a try / ignored A Smith on his outside butchering a try Folau style
Beauden - woeful kicking, both at goal and in general play
Read - buck stops with the captain when setting up the winning play (drop goal FFS)
TJP - butchered a try running the complete wrong angle and got cut down by a big fat no. 8
DMac - poor ball security on the final play when we had an overlapThink that covers it - anyone else we can hate on?
@no-quarter BBBR for getting injured, SBW for getting sick, Richie for retiring, and of course fucking Robbie Deans!
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We're building a good list of scapegoats now:
Jordie - outrageous quick throw with Bok defenders everywhere
Rieko - bundled into touch too often / called for quick throw then ran away from it
ALB - dumb intercept gifting them a try / ignored A Smith on his outside butchering a try Folau style
Beauden - woeful kicking, both at goal and in general play
Read - buck stops with the captain when setting up the winning play (drop goal FFS)
TJP - butchered a try running the complete wrong angle and got cut down by a big fat no. 8
DMac - poor ball security on the final play when we had an overlapThink that covers it - anyone else we can hate on?
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While we're pointing the finger at players, a friend who was at the game said TJP would have scored his try after the Goodhue linebreak if he had ran towards the corner. For some unknown reason he cut back towards the defence and was tackled by Whitely.
@bovidae said in All Blacks v Springboks:
While we're pointing the finger at players, a friend who was at the game said TJP would have scored his try after the Goodhue linebreak if he had ran towards the corner. For some unknown reason he cut back towards the defence and was tackled by Whitely.
He cut back because he was getting run down. I think the main camera angle showed that IMO.
Don't scapegoat TJPs decision, scapegoat his pathetic weany slow-twitch fibres ...... :man_running_light_skin_tone:
His getting a good head start and running stupidly flat support running lines ..... now explained .........
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@bovidae said in All Blacks v Springboks:
While we're pointing the finger at players, a friend who was at the game said TJP would have scored his try after the Goodhue linebreak if he had ran towards the corner. For some unknown reason he cut back towards the defence and was tackled by Whitely.
He cut back because he was getting run down. I think the main camera angle showed that IMO.
Don't scapegoat TJPs decision, scapegoat his pathetic weany slow-twitch fibres ...... :man_running_light_skin_tone:
His getting a good head start and running stupidly flat support running lines ..... now explained .........
