Interesting reads
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@barbarian said in Interesting reads:
Thought of posting this in the fitness forums, but probably better fits here:
Everything You Know About Obesity Is Wrong
For decades, the medical community has ignored mountains of evidence to wage a cruel and futile war on fat people, poisoning public perception and ruining millions of lives. It's time for a new paradigm.
Nothing in that article addresses the law of thermodynamics and the undeniable evidence in famine; no fat fuckers.
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@barbarian said in Interesting reads:
Thought of posting this in the fitness forums, but probably better fits here:
For decades, the medical community has ignored mountains of evidence to wage a cruel and futile war on fat people, poisoning public perception and ruining millions of lives. It's time for a new paradigm.
i don't understand the conclusion?
Is that people who are already fat are fucked? And we should just accept that? And being a blimp isn't necessarily a bad thing?
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@mariner4life said in Interesting reads:
@barbarian said in Interesting reads:
Thought of posting this in the fitness forums, but probably better fits here:
For decades, the medical community has ignored mountains of evidence to wage a cruel and futile war on fat people, poisoning public perception and ruining millions of lives. It's time for a new paradigm.
i don't understand the conclusion?
Is that people who are already fat are fucked? And we should just accept that? And being a blimp isn't necessarily a bad thing?
Doctors need more training and time to point out obvious shit to enormously fat people who are psychotic liars.
Also, less sugar apparently.
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@mariner4life said in Interesting reads:
i don't understand the conclusion?
Is that people who are already fat are fucked? And we should just accept that? And being a blimp isn't necessarily a bad thing?
That we need to redefine the focus away from weight and towards health.
When you focus unerringly on weight, it tends to lead to negative outcomes.
It is possible to be both fat and healthy, and the reverse is also true.
Crash diets generally don't work in the long term.
The medical profession tend to be poor at dealing with these issues in a considered, productive fashion.
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@barbarian Fat ABs prop much healthier than skinny meth-head, for example. ABs have BMIs off the scale! Morbidly Obese, OH NOES!
But yeah that's about the point of the article, along with the fact that your body wants to be back to the fattest it's ever been - in most of our history being fat was awesome, cos you were very likely to starve at some point. Now we have permanent feast of awful shit food, and no famine. So doing exercise and eating heaps of real food, even if you are fat, is much better than being skinny and unhealthy.
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@barbarian said in Interesting reads:
@mariner4life said in Interesting reads:
i don't understand the conclusion?
Is that people who are already fat are fucked? And we should just accept that? And being a blimp isn't necessarily a bad thing?
That we need to redefine the focus away from weight and towards health.
When you focus unerringly on weight, it tends to lead to negative outcomes.
It is possible to be both fat and healthy, and the reverse is also true.
Crash diets generally don't work in the long term.
The medical profession tend to be poor at dealing with these issues in a considered, productive fashion.
You can’t be fat and healthy. People who are fat have been proven to be at much higher risks of several diseases.
Agree with focusing on health, but a marker for health is how overweight you are. Ignoring weight, men with waist measurements over a certain value are at a much higher risk of heart disease.
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@kirwan said in Interesting reads:
You can’t be fat and healthy.
The article posits otherwise. If you are fat you are certainly more likely to be unhealthy, but it's not black and white:
"The second big lesson the medical establishment has learned and rejected over and over again is that weight and health are not perfect synonyms.
Yes, nearly every population-level study finds that fat people have worse cardiovascular health than thin people. But individuals are not averages: Studies have found that anywhere from one-third to three-quarters of people classified as obese are metabolically healthy. They show no signs of elevated blood pressure, insulin resistance or high cholesterol. Meanwhile, about a quarter of non-overweight people are what epidemiologists call “the lean unhealthy.”
A 2016 study that followed participants for an average of 19 years found that unfit skinny people were twice as likely to get diabetes as fit fat people. Habits, no matter your size, are what really matter. Dozens of indicators, from vegetable consumption to regular exercise to grip strength, provide a better snapshot of someone’s health than looking at her from across a room."
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but really fat people look gross
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@barbarian first off, that article is from the Huffington Post so its not worth anything as a source.
I was referring to actual scientific data (which if I get time later I will source) that shows that weight is a factor in health. Short version is it increases your likelihood of getting many diseases.
HuffPost is trying to justify that it’s ok to be fat. It’s not if you want to live well, and for a long time.
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The problem with articles like that is it conflates two very different issues. Taking the BMI measurement of the average adult these days as "overweight" or "obese" and pointing out that these people can have good cardiovascular health is one thing. Then attempting to assign that finding to these whales is entirely another.
No one who is the size of a bus is healthy.
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@kirwan said in Interesting reads:
I was referring to actual scientific data (which if I get time later I will source) that shows that weight is a factor in health. Short version is it increases your likelihood of getting many diseases.
HuffPost is trying to justify that it’s ok to be fat. It’s not if you want to live well, and for a long time.
Nobody is saying that weight isn't a factor in health. What the article says is that is just that, a factor.
That is one part of the issue.
The other is the overwhelming failure of any and all initiatives designed to reduce the obesity rate.
Simply saying 'eat less' or 'exercise more' isn't working. And that's not just because fat people really like chocolate.
There needs to be far more nuance in the discussion than what is happening at the moment.
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@kirwan said in Interesting reads:
I don't disagree about the rest of your post.
I do. There's an unbelievable amount of information available for people to digest (snigger). It's close to a $70 billion industry in America.
It's like quitting smoking; all comes down to willpower. The only thing that helps enormously fat people is concentration camps. But they're free to eat themselves back into a sumo suit as soon as they leave no matter how much you educate them to eat in moderation.
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@antipodean many of them dont genuinely want to lose the weight, they are often only doing so because thier family want them to.
Mrs TR watches some programme with hugely overweight people (>400lb) who move to Texas to enable them to be near a clinic that will do surgery on them once they get to a certain weight.
Now they (and vast majority of others on weight loss programmes) being grossly overweight, cant work out why after a month or 2 they have lost like 10 or 20 pounds...yet when they delve into what changes they have made, they barely do anything they were told they needed to do. They think cutting out a donut or 2 will be enough.
I'm 95kg, and I could drop 5kg in a few weeks easy, yet someone well over twice my size, cant lose more than me in twice the time...
Like you say, it's like smokers, until they really want to do it, they are wasting everyones time.
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Precisely. When they're lying to you about what they eat, you know they're not serious. When they take affront to expert medical opinion, you know they're not serious.
Emily, a counselor in Eastern Washington, went to a gynecological surgeon to have an ovarian cyst removed. The physician pointed out her body fat on the MRI, then said, “Look at that skinny woman in there trying to get out.”
“I was worried I had cancer,” Emily says, “and she was turning it into a teachable moment about my weight.”Probably because obesity increases your risk of cancer:
The International Agency for Research on Cancer has determined that, based on results from epidemiological studies, people who are overweight or obese are at increased risk of developing several cancer types, including adenocarcinoma of the oesophagus, colon cancer, breast cancer (in postmenopausal women), endometrial cancer and kidney (renal-cell) cancer.
I know of a bloke who was morbidly obese. Walking short distances left him wheezing from the exertion. He decided to starve himself and the key point of difference between a fat person doing it and a skinny person is the fat person has energy stores their body can draw from. Whales like Corissa Enneking make a false equivalence that starving themselves is unhealthy and hence doctors who encourage them to go into calorie deficit are somehow unprofessional.
this work colleague started walking short distances and within a year was half his original weight and had taking up jogging. When asked by fatties if he was unhappy denying himself food and putting his body through all this exertion, his answer was "sometimes yes, but nowhere near as unhappy as I was when making the problem worse by eating".
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Eating less genuinely leads to weight loss.
also, this was really interesting
https://cristivlad.com/total-starvation-382-days-without-food-study/ -
@kirwan said in Interesting reads:
@barbarian said in Interesting reads:
@mariner4life said in Interesting reads:
i don't understand the conclusion?
Is that people who are already fat are fucked? And we should just accept that? And being a blimp isn't necessarily a bad thing?
That we need to redefine the focus away from weight and towards health.
When you focus unerringly on weight, it tends to lead to negative outcomes.
It is possible to be both fat and healthy, and the reverse is also true.
Crash diets generally don't work in the long term.
The medical profession tend to be poor at dealing with these issues in a considered, productive fashion.
You can’t be fat and healthy.
Chamnelling your inner Bartman
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booboo said:
@kirwan said in Interesting reads:
@barbarian said in Interesting reads:
@mariner4life said in Interesting reads:
i don't understand the conclusion?
Is that people who are already fat are fucked? And we should just accept that? And being a blimp isn't necessarily a bad thing?
That we need to redefine the focus away from weight and towards health.
When you focus unerringly on weight, it tends to lead to negative outcomes.
It is possible to be both fat and healthy, and the reverse is also true.
Crash diets generally don't work in the long term.
The medical profession tend to be poor at dealing with these issues in a considered, productive fashion.
You can’t be fat and healthy.
Chamnelling your inner Bartman
As are you with that sort of typing.
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Kirwan said:
booboo said:
@kirwan said in Interesting reads:
@barbarian said in Interesting reads:
@mariner4life said in Interesting reads:
i don't understand the conclusion?
Is that people who are already fat are fucked? And we should just accept that? And being a blimp isn't necessarily a bad thing?
That we need to redefine the focus away from weight and towards health.
When you focus unerringly on weight, it tends to lead to negative outcomes.
It is possible to be both fat and healthy, and the reverse is also true.
Crash diets generally don't work in the long term.
The medical profession tend to be poor at dealing with these issues in a considered, productive fashion.
You can’t be fat and healthy.
Chamnelling your inner Bartman
As are you with that sort of typing.
Hahahaha
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I sympathise with them fatties though, i fucking love food. and beer. and wine.
