AB EOYT 2018
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After racking the brain for a couple of days about the Akira selection and relecting on the handful of puzzling Hansen/Henry selections going back to the culture change mid-2004...
I have to believe the coaching staff explicitly gave Akira a categorically objective work-on last season (likely off-field) and he has failed to live up to it this year. The work-on may not even be that major, but if you are told to "do something relatively simple and you will be an All Black son", going "yeah, nah" is going to get a result like this no matter how well you play.
Based on what Hansen preaches I could never see the selectors rewarding a player who disregarded work ons, but at the same time I don't see them coming out and flushing a player to the media who they have plans for.
Even with Hika it took reading between the lines. I just can't see them blackballing a guy at 23 solely because of off-field issues unless there is a different approach than what Shag took with Guildford, Weepu, Cruden, Smith, Jordie & Savea...
@rotated Actually, the ditching of Weepu for the 2007 RWC might be a good parallel, IMO.
If you look at the senior players/team leaders in the ABs they're all pretty serious guys, quite intense, high achievers - I'd guess huge work ethics - Read, Whitelock, Franks, Cane, SBW, Crotty, etc.
I don't think a casual attitude that includes staying out till 4am on a test night would be tolerated.
I'm guessing that there's no permanent blackballing - just a message that no matter how good you are, we're not going to pick you if you don't meet our professional standards.
But, it's mainly reading between the lines. LWhitelock > Akira could be Reuben Thorne > Jerry Collins.
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@rotated Actually, the ditching of Weepu for the 2007 RWC might be a good parallel, IMO.
If you look at the senior players/team leaders in the ABs they're all pretty serious guys, quite intense, high achievers - I'd guess huge work ethics - Read, Whitelock, Franks, Cane, SBW, Crotty, etc.
I don't think a casual attitude that includes staying out till 4am on a test night would be tolerated.
I'm guessing that there's no permanent blackballing - just a message that no matter how good you are, we're not going to pick you if you don't meet our professional standards.
But, it's mainly reading between the lines. LWhitelock > Akira could be Reuben Thorne > Jerry Collins.
@chris-b Wasn't Conrad Smith involved in the drinking incident that Weepu 'possibly' got black balled for? I always assumed that it was partly a selectorial punt that played a part in that decision and saw us wind up with Brendon Leonard or the 2007 version of Andy Ellis as back ups.
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@chris-b Wasn't Conrad Smith involved in the drinking incident that Weepu 'possibly' got black balled for? I always assumed that it was partly a selectorial punt that played a part in that decision and saw us wind up with Brendon Leonard or the 2007 version of Andy Ellis as back ups.
@nepia I'm pretty sure Piri mainly got blackballed because he was a top performer in the R&R programme, but then he went home and tucked into the pies.
When he came back to do the fitness tests he'd eaten all the gains away.
Not sure whose book that was in, but someones.
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@rancid-schnitzel said in AB EOYT 2018:
@mariner4life said in AB EOYT 2018:
@tim said in AB EOYT 2018:
Here's a new one for you:
Jordie Barrett, what the fuck has he done this year?
ooooh good
3/8s of fuck all really. Cost us a test.
And as far as i can see from the Fern, has gone from being the ABs nailed on fullback for the next 10 years (except for the loons who think he's a 12) to being overtaken by some bloke called Jordan in 18 months.
I really hope you choke on that dildo some day. I hope you choke on it and the final thing you see is the Barrett brothers starting an AB test together while your little blonde NZ Schweinsteiger watches from the stands.
not bad. Big on bile, and so butt hurt.
Just really loses for points for assuming i am actually a fan of DMac.
(actually i could quite happily be NZ Bastion Schweinsteiger given his money and his missus).
I liked you Hurricanes supporters more when you actually knew your team was a flakey joke.
@mariner4life said in AB EOYT 2018:
@rancid-schnitzel said in AB EOYT 2018:
@mariner4life said in AB EOYT 2018:
@tim said in AB EOYT 2018:
Here's a new one for you:
Jordie Barrett, what the fuck has he done this year?
ooooh good
3/8s of fuck all really. Cost us a test.
And as far as i can see from the Fern, has gone from being the ABs nailed on fullback for the next 10 years (except for the loons who think he's a 12) to being overtaken by some bloke called Jordan in 18 months.
I really hope you choke on that dildo some day. I hope you choke on it and the final thing you see is the Barrett brothers starting an AB test together while your little blonde NZ Schweinsteiger watches from the stands.
not bad. Big on bile, and so butt hurt.
Just really loses for points for assuming i am actually a fan of DMac.
(actually i could quite happily be NZ Bastion Schweinsteiger given his money and his missus).
I liked you Hurricanes supporters more when you actually knew your team was a flakey joke.
Very weak effort. Have to work harder.
You would go even gayer for DMac. Just admit it. Him and the one-balled hobbit.
Unlike you I don't engage in petty and pathetic provincial racism.
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@mariner4life said in AB EOYT 2018:
@rancid-schnitzel said in AB EOYT 2018:
@mariner4life said in AB EOYT 2018:
@tim said in AB EOYT 2018:
Here's a new one for you:
Jordie Barrett, what the fuck has he done this year?
ooooh good
3/8s of fuck all really. Cost us a test.
And as far as i can see from the Fern, has gone from being the ABs nailed on fullback for the next 10 years (except for the loons who think he's a 12) to being overtaken by some bloke called Jordan in 18 months.
I really hope you choke on that dildo some day. I hope you choke on it and the final thing you see is the Barrett brothers starting an AB test together while your little blonde NZ Schweinsteiger watches from the stands.
not bad. Big on bile, and so butt hurt.
Just really loses for points for assuming i am actually a fan of DMac.
(actually i could quite happily be NZ Bastion Schweinsteiger given his money and his missus).
I liked you Hurricanes supporters more when you actually knew your team was a flakey joke.
Very weak effort. Have to work harder.
You would go even gayer for DMac. Just admit it. Him and the one-balled hobbit.
Unlike you I don't engage in petty and pathetic provincial racism.
@rancid-schnitzel said in AB EOYT 2018:
@mariner4life said in AB EOYT 2018:
@rancid-schnitzel said in AB EOYT 2018:
@mariner4life said in AB EOYT 2018:
@tim said in AB EOYT 2018:
Here's a new one for you:
Jordie Barrett, what the fuck has he done this year?
ooooh good
3/8s of fuck all really. Cost us a test.
And as far as i can see from the Fern, has gone from being the ABs nailed on fullback for the next 10 years (except for the loons who think he's a 12) to being overtaken by some bloke called Jordan in 18 months.
I really hope you choke on that dildo some day. I hope you choke on it and the final thing you see is the Barrett brothers starting an AB test together while your little blonde NZ Schweinsteiger watches from the stands.
not bad. Big on bile, and so butt hurt.
Just really loses for points for assuming i am actually a fan of DMac.
(actually i could quite happily be NZ Bastion Schweinsteiger given his money and his missus).
I liked you Hurricanes supporters more when you actually knew your team was a flakey joke.
Very weak effort. Have to work harder.
You would go even gayer for DMac. Just admit it. Him and the one-balled hobbit.
Unlike you I don't engage in petty and pathetic provincial racism.
only one of us has openly declared they would turn for a player. keep that in mind at all times.
I'm not provincially (actually franchisely) racist, i am the most open-minded here, because i barely even like the Chiefs. I hate everybody, and that provides its own brand of clarity.
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@rancid-schnitzel said in AB EOYT 2018:
@mariner4life said in AB EOYT 2018:
@rancid-schnitzel said in AB EOYT 2018:
@mariner4life said in AB EOYT 2018:
@tim said in AB EOYT 2018:
Here's a new one for you:
Jordie Barrett, what the fuck has he done this year?
ooooh good
3/8s of fuck all really. Cost us a test.
And as far as i can see from the Fern, has gone from being the ABs nailed on fullback for the next 10 years (except for the loons who think he's a 12) to being overtaken by some bloke called Jordan in 18 months.
I really hope you choke on that dildo some day. I hope you choke on it and the final thing you see is the Barrett brothers starting an AB test together while your little blonde NZ Schweinsteiger watches from the stands.
not bad. Big on bile, and so butt hurt.
Just really loses for points for assuming i am actually a fan of DMac.
(actually i could quite happily be NZ Bastion Schweinsteiger given his money and his missus).
I liked you Hurricanes supporters more when you actually knew your team was a flakey joke.
Very weak effort. Have to work harder.
You would go even gayer for DMac. Just admit it. Him and the one-balled hobbit.
Unlike you I don't engage in petty and pathetic provincial racism.
only one of us has openly declared they would turn for a player. keep that in mind at all times.
I'm not provincially (actually franchisely) racist, i am the most open-minded here, because i barely even like the Chiefs. I hate everybody, and that provides its own brand of clarity.
@mariner4life said in AB EOYT 2018:
@rancid-schnitzel said in AB EOYT 2018:
@mariner4life said in AB EOYT 2018:
@rancid-schnitzel said in AB EOYT 2018:
@mariner4life said in AB EOYT 2018:
@tim said in AB EOYT 2018:
Here's a new one for you:
Jordie Barrett, what the fuck has he done this year?
ooooh good
3/8s of fuck all really. Cost us a test.
And as far as i can see from the Fern, has gone from being the ABs nailed on fullback for the next 10 years (except for the loons who think he's a 12) to being overtaken by some bloke called Jordan in 18 months.
I really hope you choke on that dildo some day. I hope you choke on it and the final thing you see is the Barrett brothers starting an AB test together while your little blonde NZ Schweinsteiger watches from the stands.
not bad. Big on bile, and so butt hurt.
Just really loses for points for assuming i am actually a fan of DMac.
(actually i could quite happily be NZ Bastion Schweinsteiger given his money and his missus).
I liked you Hurricanes supporters more when you actually knew your team was a flakey joke.
Very weak effort. Have to work harder.
You would go even gayer for DMac. Just admit it. Him and the one-balled hobbit.
Unlike you I don't engage in petty and pathetic provincial racism.
only one of us has openly declared they would turn for a player. keep that in mind at all times.
I'm not provincially (actually franchisely) racist, i am the most open-minded here, because i barely even like the Chiefs.
Wrong. I don't support any NZ Super Rugby franchise. So climb down from your dung hill of moral superiority and genuflect in awe.
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@mariner4life said in AB EOYT 2018:
@rancid-schnitzel said in AB EOYT 2018:
@mariner4life said in AB EOYT 2018:
@rancid-schnitzel said in AB EOYT 2018:
@mariner4life said in AB EOYT 2018:
@tim said in AB EOYT 2018:
Here's a new one for you:
Jordie Barrett, what the fuck has he done this year?
ooooh good
3/8s of fuck all really. Cost us a test.
And as far as i can see from the Fern, has gone from being the ABs nailed on fullback for the next 10 years (except for the loons who think he's a 12) to being overtaken by some bloke called Jordan in 18 months.
I really hope you choke on that dildo some day. I hope you choke on it and the final thing you see is the Barrett brothers starting an AB test together while your little blonde NZ Schweinsteiger watches from the stands.
not bad. Big on bile, and so butt hurt.
Just really loses for points for assuming i am actually a fan of DMac.
(actually i could quite happily be NZ Bastion Schweinsteiger given his money and his missus).
I liked you Hurricanes supporters more when you actually knew your team was a flakey joke.
Very weak effort. Have to work harder.
You would go even gayer for DMac. Just admit it. Him and the one-balled hobbit.
Unlike you I don't engage in petty and pathetic provincial racism.
only one of us has openly declared they would turn for a player. keep that in mind at all times.
I'm not provincially (actually franchisely) racist, i am the most open-minded here, because i barely even like the Chiefs.
Wrong. I don't support any NZ Super Rugby franchise. So climb down from your dung hill of moral superiority and genuflect in awe.
@antipodean said in AB EOYT 2018:
@mariner4life said in AB EOYT 2018:
@rancid-schnitzel said in AB EOYT 2018:
@mariner4life said in AB EOYT 2018:
@rancid-schnitzel said in AB EOYT 2018:
@mariner4life said in AB EOYT 2018:
@tim said in AB EOYT 2018:
Here's a new one for you:
Jordie Barrett, what the fuck has he done this year?
ooooh good
3/8s of fuck all really. Cost us a test.
And as far as i can see from the Fern, has gone from being the ABs nailed on fullback for the next 10 years (except for the loons who think he's a 12) to being overtaken by some bloke called Jordan in 18 months.
I really hope you choke on that dildo some day. I hope you choke on it and the final thing you see is the Barrett brothers starting an AB test together while your little blonde NZ Schweinsteiger watches from the stands.
not bad. Big on bile, and so butt hurt.
Just really loses for points for assuming i am actually a fan of DMac.
(actually i could quite happily be NZ Bastion Schweinsteiger given his money and his missus).
I liked you Hurricanes supporters more when you actually knew your team was a flakey joke.
Very weak effort. Have to work harder.
You would go even gayer for DMac. Just admit it. Him and the one-balled hobbit.
Unlike you I don't engage in petty and pathetic provincial racism.
only one of us has openly declared they would turn for a player. keep that in mind at all times.
I'm not provincially (actually franchisely) racist, i am the most open-minded here, because i barely even like the Chiefs.
Wrong. I don't support any NZ Super Rugby franchise. So climb down from your dung hill of moral superiority and genuflect in awe.
good point! you are objective as hell! The only problem is, years of under-achievement has made you far too bitter. You've gone too far. You're vinegar.
Also your blazer/scarf combination offends me
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@antipodean said in AB EOYT 2018:
@mariner4life said in AB EOYT 2018:
@rancid-schnitzel said in AB EOYT 2018:
@mariner4life said in AB EOYT 2018:
@rancid-schnitzel said in AB EOYT 2018:
@mariner4life said in AB EOYT 2018:
@tim said in AB EOYT 2018:
Here's a new one for you:
Jordie Barrett, what the fuck has he done this year?
ooooh good
3/8s of fuck all really. Cost us a test.
And as far as i can see from the Fern, has gone from being the ABs nailed on fullback for the next 10 years (except for the loons who think he's a 12) to being overtaken by some bloke called Jordan in 18 months.
I really hope you choke on that dildo some day. I hope you choke on it and the final thing you see is the Barrett brothers starting an AB test together while your little blonde NZ Schweinsteiger watches from the stands.
not bad. Big on bile, and so butt hurt.
Just really loses for points for assuming i am actually a fan of DMac.
(actually i could quite happily be NZ Bastion Schweinsteiger given his money and his missus).
I liked you Hurricanes supporters more when you actually knew your team was a flakey joke.
Very weak effort. Have to work harder.
You would go even gayer for DMac. Just admit it. Him and the one-balled hobbit.
Unlike you I don't engage in petty and pathetic provincial racism.
only one of us has openly declared they would turn for a player. keep that in mind at all times.
I'm not provincially (actually franchisely) racist, i am the most open-minded here, because i barely even like the Chiefs.
Wrong. I don't support any NZ Super Rugby franchise. So climb down from your dung hill of moral superiority and genuflect in awe.
good point! you are objective as hell! The only problem is, years of under-achievement has made you far too bitter. You've gone too far. You're vinegar.
Also your blazer/scarf combination offends me
@mariner4life said in AB EOYT 2018:
@antipodean said in AB EOYT 2018:
@mariner4life said in AB EOYT 2018:
@rancid-schnitzel said in AB EOYT 2018:
@mariner4life said in AB EOYT 2018:
@rancid-schnitzel said in AB EOYT 2018:
@mariner4life said in AB EOYT 2018:
@tim said in AB EOYT 2018:
Here's a new one for you:
Jordie Barrett, what the fuck has he done this year?
ooooh good
3/8s of fuck all really. Cost us a test.
And as far as i can see from the Fern, has gone from being the ABs nailed on fullback for the next 10 years (except for the loons who think he's a 12) to being overtaken by some bloke called Jordan in 18 months.
I really hope you choke on that dildo some day. I hope you choke on it and the final thing you see is the Barrett brothers starting an AB test together while your little blonde NZ Schweinsteiger watches from the stands.
not bad. Big on bile, and so butt hurt.
Just really loses for points for assuming i am actually a fan of DMac.
(actually i could quite happily be NZ Bastion Schweinsteiger given his money and his missus).
I liked you Hurricanes supporters more when you actually knew your team was a flakey joke.
Very weak effort. Have to work harder.
You would go even gayer for DMac. Just admit it. Him and the one-balled hobbit.
Unlike you I don't engage in petty and pathetic provincial racism.
only one of us has openly declared they would turn for a player. keep that in mind at all times.
I'm not provincially (actually franchisely) racist, i am the most open-minded here, because i barely even like the Chiefs.
Wrong. I don't support any NZ Super Rugby franchise. So climb down from your dung hill of moral superiority and genuflect in awe.
good point! you are objective as hell! The only problem is, years of under-achievement has made you far too bitter. You've gone too far. You're vinegar.
Also your blazer/scarf combination offends me
I didn't get to choose it, it's part of the uniform. I prefer my black RMs.
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@mariner4life said in AB EOYT 2018:
@antipodean said in AB EOYT 2018:
@mariner4life said in AB EOYT 2018:
@rancid-schnitzel said in AB EOYT 2018:
@mariner4life said in AB EOYT 2018:
@rancid-schnitzel said in AB EOYT 2018:
@mariner4life said in AB EOYT 2018:
@tim said in AB EOYT 2018:
Here's a new one for you:
Jordie Barrett, what the fuck has he done this year?
ooooh good
3/8s of fuck all really. Cost us a test.
And as far as i can see from the Fern, has gone from being the ABs nailed on fullback for the next 10 years (except for the loons who think he's a 12) to being overtaken by some bloke called Jordan in 18 months.
I really hope you choke on that dildo some day. I hope you choke on it and the final thing you see is the Barrett brothers starting an AB test together while your little blonde NZ Schweinsteiger watches from the stands.
not bad. Big on bile, and so butt hurt.
Just really loses for points for assuming i am actually a fan of DMac.
(actually i could quite happily be NZ Bastion Schweinsteiger given his money and his missus).
I liked you Hurricanes supporters more when you actually knew your team was a flakey joke.
Very weak effort. Have to work harder.
You would go even gayer for DMac. Just admit it. Him and the one-balled hobbit.
Unlike you I don't engage in petty and pathetic provincial racism.
only one of us has openly declared they would turn for a player. keep that in mind at all times.
I'm not provincially (actually franchisely) racist, i am the most open-minded here, because i barely even like the Chiefs.
Wrong. I don't support any NZ Super Rugby franchise. So climb down from your dung hill of moral superiority and genuflect in awe.
good point! you are objective as hell! The only problem is, years of under-achievement has made you far too bitter. You've gone too far. You're vinegar.
Also your blazer/scarf combination offends me
I didn't get to choose it, it's part of the uniform. I prefer my black RMs.
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@rancid-schnitzel said in AB EOYT 2018:
@mariner4life said in AB EOYT 2018:
@rancid-schnitzel said in AB EOYT 2018:
@mariner4life said in AB EOYT 2018:
@tim said in AB EOYT 2018:
Here's a new one for you:
Jordie Barrett, what the fuck has he done this year?
ooooh good
3/8s of fuck all really. Cost us a test.
And as far as i can see from the Fern, has gone from being the ABs nailed on fullback for the next 10 years (except for the loons who think he's a 12) to being overtaken by some bloke called Jordan in 18 months.
I really hope you choke on that dildo some day. I hope you choke on it and the final thing you see is the Barrett brothers starting an AB test together while your little blonde NZ Schweinsteiger watches from the stands.
not bad. Big on bile, and so butt hurt.
Just really loses for points for assuming i am actually a fan of DMac.
(actually i could quite happily be NZ Bastion Schweinsteiger given his money and his missus).
I liked you Hurricanes supporters more when you actually knew your team was a flakey joke.
Very weak effort. Have to work harder.
You would go even gayer for DMac. Just admit it. Him and the one-balled hobbit.
Unlike you I don't engage in petty and pathetic provincial racism.
only one of us has openly declared they would turn for a player. keep that in mind at all times.
I'm not provincially (actually franchisely) racist, i am the most open-minded here, because i barely even like the Chiefs. I hate everybody, and that provides its own brand of clarity.
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@tim said in AB EOYT 2018:
I had to get up at 5am this morning, and I am not in the mood.
and with one comment, the Fern turned in to my marriage...
So, yesterday was selection whinge day. Lets actually look forward to the tour.
Anyone genuinely expect us to drop a game? The England game was being hyped for a couple of years, but that all dropped away, and now it appears Ireland are the big threat.
Will we turn in our almost customary dead-rubber fuck around v the Wobblies to kick everything off?
Selection-wise, will it be A Team; C Team, A Team, A Team, B Team?
And lets pick one player whose stocks will rise, and one whose will fall in the next month.
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@tim said in AB EOYT 2018:
I had to get up at 5am this morning, and I am not in the mood.
and with one comment, the Fern turned in to my marriage...
So, yesterday was selection whinge day. Lets actually look forward to the tour.
Anyone genuinely expect us to drop a game? The England game was being hyped for a couple of years, but that all dropped away, and now it appears Ireland are the big threat.
Will we turn in our almost customary dead-rubber fuck around v the Wobblies to kick everything off?
Selection-wise, will it be A Team; C Team, A Team, A Team, B Team?
And lets pick one player whose stocks will rise, and one whose will fall in the next month.
@mariner4life said in AB EOYT 2018:
Anyone genuinely expect us to drop a game? The England game was being hyped for a couple of years, but that all dropped away, and now it appears Ireland are the big threat.
Not unless by sheer accident Eddie unearths what should have been his dynamic backrow all along. And Ireland are worse without their world class halfback. Combative, close games but still entries in the win column.
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Most concerned about Ireland. If we bring our cute game plan they could feed off our mistakes like in 2013
@kirwan said in AB EOYT 2018:
Most concerned about Ireland. If we bring our cute game plan they could feed off our mistakes like in 2013
I just wonder how we will deal with their style of play. It's different to the teams we usually play. My gut is we will score enough points, but if they frustrate us by making tackles, and holding the ball for ages, will our 9 and 10 keep making good decisions?
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@kirwan said in AB EOYT 2018:
Most concerned about Ireland. If we bring our cute game plan they could feed off our mistakes like in 2013
I just wonder how we will deal with their style of play. It's different to the teams we usually play. My gut is we will score enough points, but if they frustrate us by making tackles, and holding the ball for ages, will our 9 and 10 keep making good decisions?
@mariner4life said in AB EOYT 2018:
@kirwan said in AB EOYT 2018:
Most concerned about Ireland. If we bring our cute game plan they could feed off our mistakes like in 2013
I just wonder how we will deal with their style of play. It's different to the teams we usually play. My gut is we will score enough points, but if they frustrate us by making tackles, and holding the ball for ages, will our 9 and 10 keep making good decisions?
Evidence of this year says we will push the pass after going wide too early. Interception....
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@mariner4life said in AB EOYT 2018:
@kirwan said in AB EOYT 2018:
Most concerned about Ireland. If we bring our cute game plan they could feed off our mistakes like in 2013
I just wonder how we will deal with their style of play. It's different to the teams we usually play. My gut is we will score enough points, but if they frustrate us by making tackles, and holding the ball for ages, will our 9 and 10 keep making good decisions?
Evidence of this year says we will push the pass after going wide too early. Interception....
@kirwan said in AB EOYT 2018:
@mariner4life said in AB EOYT 2018:
@kirwan said in AB EOYT 2018:
Most concerned about Ireland. If we bring our cute game plan they could feed off our mistakes like in 2013
I just wonder how we will deal with their style of play. It's different to the teams we usually play. My gut is we will score enough points, but if they frustrate us by making tackles, and holding the ball for ages, will our 9 and 10 keep making good decisions?
Evidence of this year says we will push the pass after going wide too early. Interception....
kick pass
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I think we will name as strong a side as we can for Aus, then 2 weeks until England that will again be full strength, and is the Irish test the following week so 3 big games in 4 weeks.
Based on our form, potentially we could drop a game or 2, but as we always do,m we will also likely find a way out of the hole to not drop any.
I'd say they will be massively up for the Irish test, will be a huge marker to lay down for the next 12 months, so I expect they will have been aiming at this game for a while now (as the English one has lost a bit of its shine in the past 6 months)
