2019 under 20's
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@98blueandgold Can you explain what the rule is that makes Naholo ineligible? Residency rule? When does that start to run? He has at least 2 years of 1st XV and one year of club rugby/Mitre 10 Cup under his belt, so he'll be in NZ for almost 3 years (at least).
@stargazer unlike nz schools u20 is an international comp so you must abide by irb rules I believe which means resident or 5 years of living (maybe wrong). NZ schools is not a irb sanctioned event so rules can be decided by union. It has changed over time, previously you to be a resident which is why Waisake Cldnt play but when went from 21s/19s to 20s all rules changed. Now schools anyone can play ie Sagner from Germany this year for schools but Sevu Reece who played schools Cld not play sevens or 20s for NZ. Make sense?
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Jordan Joseph will be eligible for France again. He is only 18 so they must be favourites for the championship.
@sparky he was very good but they lost a lot of the others in squad.
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@stargazer Donaldson only turned 18 in July so he has another year. I don’t think he’ll make this team but he’s a great talent
@chchfanatic said in 2019 under 20's:
@stargazer Donaldson only turned 18 in July so he has another year. I don’t think he’ll make this team but he’s a great talent
Is he related to the AB scrum half of the late seventies / early eighties ?
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@98blueandgold Can you explain what the rule is that makes Naholo ineligible? Residency rule? When does that start to run? He has at least 2 years of 1st XV and one year of club rugby/Mitre 10 Cup under his belt, so he'll be in NZ for almost 3 years (at least).
@stargazer said in 2019 under 20's:
@98blueandgold Can you explain what the rule is that makes Naholo ineligible? Residency rule? When does that start to run? He has at least 2 years of 1st XV and one year of club rugby/Mitre 10 Cup under his belt, so he'll be in NZ for almost 3 years (at least).
His time at school, on a scholarship, doesn't count towards residency as it is not his family home. So Kini would be 1 year into his residency qualification.
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I've re-ordered the list to show the player positions:
PROPS
Finlay Brewis (Canterbury) - TH?
Robert Cobb (Auckland) - LH
George Dyer (Waikato) - LH
Fletcher Newell (Canterbury) - TH
Oliver Norris (Waikato) - LH
Josiah Tavita-Metcalfe (Hawkes Bay) - TH
Kaliopasi Uluilakepa (Wellington) - TH
Tamaiti Williams (Canterbury) - LHHOOKERS
Tane Te Aho (Wellington)
Sam Cooper (Waikato)
Kianu Kereru-Symes (Hawkes Bay)
Shilo Klein (Canterbury)LOCKS
Samipeni Finau (Waikato)
Naitoa Ah Kuoi (Wellington)
Iosefa Maloney-Fiaola (Bay of Plenty)
Taine Plumtree (Wellington)
Tupou Vaa'i (Taranaki)LOOSIES
Iona Apineru (Wellington) - blindside
Kaylum Boshier (Taranaki) - no. 8
Samuel Dickson (Otago) - openside
Lesinali Faleafa (Auckland) - no. 8
Devan Flanders (Hawkes Bay) - blindside and no. 8
Cullen Grace (Canterbury) - blindside
Kohan Herbert (Bay of Plenty) - openside
Shamus Hurley-Langton (Wellington) - no. 8?
Michael Loft (Taranaki)
Simon Parker (Waikato) - blindside and no. 8
James Thompson (Waikato) - blindsideHALFBACKS
Leroy Carter (Bay of Plenty)
Luke Donaldson (Canterbury)
Taufa Funaki (Auckland)
Brad McNaughten (North Harbour)FIRST FIVE-EIGHTHS
Fergus Burke (Canterbury)
Chay Fihaki (Auckland) - also 12
Cole Forbes (Bay of Plenty)
Callum Harkin (Wellington)
Jack Heighton (North Harbour)
Lincoln McClutchie (Hawkes Bay)
Rivez Reihana (Auckland)MIDFIELDERS
Lalomilo Lalomilo (Bay of Plenty) - 12
Dallas McLeod (Canterbury) - 12
Isaiah Punivai (Canterbury) - 13
Dennon Robinson-Bartlett (Bay of Plenty)
Danny Toala (Hawkes Bay) - 12, also fullback
Quinn Tupaea (Waikato)OUTSIDE BACKS
Connor Garden-Bachop (Canterbury)
Samuel Gilbert (Canterbury) - fullback (also 1st 5/8?)
Jack Gray (Auckland) - fullback?
Reuben Va'a (Wellington)@stargazer said in 2019 under 20's:
I've re-ordered the list to show the player positions:
George Dyer (Waikato) - TH
Simon Parker (Waikato) - blindside/no.8
James Thompson (Waikato) - lock -
@stargazer unlike nz schools u20 is an international comp so you must abide by irb rules I believe which means resident or 5 years of living (maybe wrong). NZ schools is not a irb sanctioned event so rules can be decided by union. It has changed over time, previously you to be a resident which is why Waisake Cldnt play but when went from 21s/19s to 20s all rules changed. Now schools anyone can play ie Sagner from Germany this year for schools but Sevu Reece who played schools Cld not play sevens or 20s for NZ. Make sense?
@98blueandgold said in 2019 under 20's:
@stargazer unlike nz schools u20 is an international comp so you must abide by irb rules I believe which means resident or 5 years of living (maybe wrong). NZ schools is not a irb sanctioned event so rules can be decided by union. It has changed over time, previously you to be a resident which is why Waisake Cldnt play but when went from 21s/19s to 20s all rules changed. Now schools anyone can play ie Sagner from Germany this year for schools but Sevu Reece who played schools Cld not play sevens or 20s for NZ. Make sense?
Waisake was actually adopted by his uncle when he moved to nz, as opposed to a scholarship. Hence why I assume he could play nz u20s back in 2011, where as someone like Sivivatu ( almost a decade earlier) didn't play age grade IIRC.
But as you say, also, rules and applications of them at age level, do keep changing over the years. I'm not sure when they actually started enforcing the family home part of of minor's residency.
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@stargazer said in 2019 under 20's:
I've re-ordered the list to show the player positions:
George Dyer (Waikato) - TH
Simon Parker (Waikato) - blindside/no.8
James Thompson (Waikato) - lock -
@98blueandgold said in 2019 under 20's:
@stargazer unlike nz schools u20 is an international comp so you must abide by irb rules I believe which means resident or 5 years of living (maybe wrong). NZ schools is not a irb sanctioned event so rules can be decided by union. It has changed over time, previously you to be a resident which is why Waisake Cldnt play but when went from 21s/19s to 20s all rules changed. Now schools anyone can play ie Sagner from Germany this year for schools but Sevu Reece who played schools Cld not play sevens or 20s for NZ. Make sense?
Waisake was actually adopted by his uncle when he moved to nz, as opposed to a scholarship. Hence why I assume he could play nz u20s back in 2011, where as someone like Sivivatu ( almost a decade earlier) didn't play age grade IIRC.
But as you say, also, rules and applications of them at age level, do keep changing over the years. I'm not sure when they actually started enforcing the family home part of of minor's residency.
@rapido I can't even find a WR regulation that says that there is a eligibility rule for U20s.
The residency rule in World Rugby Regulation 8 only applies to a country's "senior fifteen-a-side National Representative Team, the next senior fifteen-a-side National Representative Team and the senior National Representative Sevens Team". It also doesn't mention that that the residency period only starts to run once a player leaves school. -
@rapido I can't even find a WR regulation that says that there is a eligibility rule for U20s.
The residency rule in World Rugby Regulation 8 only applies to a country's "senior fifteen-a-side National Representative Team, the next senior fifteen-a-side National Representative Team and the senior National Representative Sevens Team". It also doesn't mention that that the residency period only starts to run once a player leaves school. -
@rapido I can't even find a WR regulation that says that there is a eligibility rule for U20s.
The residency rule in World Rugby Regulation 8 only applies to a country's "senior fifteen-a-side National Representative Team, the next senior fifteen-a-side National Representative Team and the senior National Representative Sevens Team". It also doesn't mention that that the residency period only starts to run once a player leaves school.@stargazer it is very unclear, like how you can play for Samoa one year and NZ the next at 20s year but need to be resident???
I do know they have played around with it a lot over the last 10 years. Even in NZ school boy rugby it changes almost yearly so who knows. -
@stargazer @Nepia Is Fakatava the age-group Akira? He was a notable omission from the NZSS team as well.
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@98blueandgold said in 2019 under 20's:
@stargazer unlike nz schools u20 is an international comp so you must abide by irb rules I believe which means resident or 5 years of living (maybe wrong). NZ schools is not a irb sanctioned event so rules can be decided by union. It has changed over time, previously you to be a resident which is why Waisake Cldnt play but when went from 21s/19s to 20s all rules changed. Now schools anyone can play ie Sagner from Germany this year for schools but Sevu Reece who played schools Cld not play sevens or 20s for NZ. Make sense?
Waisake was actually adopted by his uncle when he moved to nz, as opposed to a scholarship. Hence why I assume he could play nz u20s back in 2011, where as someone like Sivivatu ( almost a decade earlier) didn't play age grade IIRC.
But as you say, also, rules and applications of them at age level, do keep changing over the years. I'm not sure when they actually started enforcing the family home part of of minor's residency.
@rapido Cld be the case but I have a suspicion the rules were different and changed just after that for 20s and NZSS. I know Waisake was adopted but the way irb/nzrfu do paper work around adoptions has changed lately, possible due to increase in use of this
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as way of eligibility?
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@nepia Yep, could be, but they had this list in the team announcement and his name isn't in it:
Players unavailable for selection due to Super Rugby and Sevens committments: Etene Nanai-Seturo (Counties Manukau), Kaleb Trask (Bay of Plenty), Leicester Faingaanuku ( Ta$man), Billy Proctor (Wellington), Caleb Clarke (Auckland), Scott Gregory (Northland) and Jeriah Mua (Bay of Plenty). -
@nepia Yep, could be, but they had this list in the team announcement and his name isn't in it:
Players unavailable for selection due to Super Rugby and Sevens committments: Etene Nanai-Seturo (Counties Manukau), Kaleb Trask (Bay of Plenty), Leicester Faingaanuku ( Ta$man), Billy Proctor (Wellington), Caleb Clarke (Auckland), Scott Gregory (Northland) and Jeriah Mua (Bay of Plenty).@stargazer Yeah I know, maybe he was just an oversight missed from that list?
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Derren Whitcombe has been named assistant coach of U20s
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After watching game with a lot of u20 prospects thought it would be good to get a new topic going.
Players at Crusaders vs Hurricanes D on show.
Tamati Williams - Started and was part of a very strong scrum/Lineout unit. Didnt see in tight but should be part of team.
Cullen Grace - Was starting and has got a lot bigger since school. Very physical and showed he is up to the level. Impressed
Dallas McLeod - As mentioned in other post was the most impressive player on the park incl. ABs!! Big kid and very strong but may not have express pace. One to watch!
Leicester Faingaanuku - Was the player they wanted to get the ball. Big Kid who looked to have x-factor
Shilo Klein - Didnt really show out at this level
Fletcher Newell- played tough up front, good technically
Fergus Burke - Composed and good kicker, will be in mix
Sam Gilbert - Like Burke could be in mix.
Chay Fihaki - Athletic kid who looked to mix it with the big boys. is a prospect
Isaiah Punivai - I know they like him, and he is good but some others shone brighter today.
Kaliopasi Uluilakepa - Monster in loose but at times Hurricanes struggled as a pack. Will be in team!
Stewart Cruden- started but general kicking was very weak today.
Danny Toala - Had moments on attack but was destroyed by McLeod on D. was not up to standard defensively.
Billy Proctor -Inj early
Josiah Tavita Metcalfe - Came on and made impact, ran strongly and earned scrum penalty in game.
Devan Flanders - Looks about 30 but when he came on just has something about him that I like. Does little things well.
Kienan Higgins - Big kid as well, didnt realise he is u20. took on the line a couple of times. physical. -
After watching game with a lot of u20 prospects thought it would be good to get a new topic going.
Players at Crusaders vs Hurricanes D on show.
Tamati Williams - Started and was part of a very strong scrum/Lineout unit. Didnt see in tight but should be part of team.
Cullen Grace - Was starting and has got a lot bigger since school. Very physical and showed he is up to the level. Impressed
Dallas McLeod - As mentioned in other post was the most impressive player on the park incl. ABs!! Big kid and very strong but may not have express pace. One to watch!
Leicester Faingaanuku - Was the player they wanted to get the ball. Big Kid who looked to have x-factor
Shilo Klein - Didnt really show out at this level
Fletcher Newell- played tough up front, good technically
Fergus Burke - Composed and good kicker, will be in mix
Sam Gilbert - Like Burke could be in mix.
Chay Fihaki - Athletic kid who looked to mix it with the big boys. is a prospect
Isaiah Punivai - I know they like him, and he is good but some others shone brighter today.
Kaliopasi Uluilakepa - Monster in loose but at times Hurricanes struggled as a pack. Will be in team!
Stewart Cruden- started but general kicking was very weak today.
Danny Toala - Had moments on attack but was destroyed by McLeod on D. was not up to standard defensively.
Billy Proctor -Inj early
Josiah Tavita Metcalfe - Came on and made impact, ran strongly and earned scrum penalty in game.
Devan Flanders - Looks about 30 but when he came on just has something about him that I like. Does little things well.
Kienan Higgins - Big kid as well, didnt realise he is u20. took on the line a couple of times. physical.@98blueandgold how was frost today. He played well in internal trial. Fletcher Newell was good too
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I didnt get a good look as lots of the reserves for Crusaders came on at the end. Big dude though! Most of the reserves had same numbers as starters which also confused things, lots of similar looking whites guys
