2019 under 20's
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@98blueandgold said in 2019 under 20's:
@stargazer unlike nz schools u20 is an international comp so you must abide by irb rules I believe which means resident or 5 years of living (maybe wrong). NZ schools is not a irb sanctioned event so rules can be decided by union. It has changed over time, previously you to be a resident which is why Waisake Cldnt play but when went from 21s/19s to 20s all rules changed. Now schools anyone can play ie Sagner from Germany this year for schools but Sevu Reece who played schools Cld not play sevens or 20s for NZ. Make sense?
Waisake was actually adopted by his uncle when he moved to nz, as opposed to a scholarship. Hence why I assume he could play nz u20s back in 2011, where as someone like Sivivatu ( almost a decade earlier) didn't play age grade IIRC.
But as you say, also, rules and applications of them at age level, do keep changing over the years. I'm not sure when they actually started enforcing the family home part of of minor's residency.
@rapido I can't even find a WR regulation that says that there is a eligibility rule for U20s.
The residency rule in World Rugby Regulation 8 only applies to a country's "senior fifteen-a-side National Representative Team, the next senior fifteen-a-side National Representative Team and the senior National Representative Sevens Team". It also doesn't mention that that the residency period only starts to run once a player leaves school. -
@rapido I can't even find a WR regulation that says that there is a eligibility rule for U20s.
The residency rule in World Rugby Regulation 8 only applies to a country's "senior fifteen-a-side National Representative Team, the next senior fifteen-a-side National Representative Team and the senior National Representative Sevens Team". It also doesn't mention that that the residency period only starts to run once a player leaves school. -
@rapido I can't even find a WR regulation that says that there is a eligibility rule for U20s.
The residency rule in World Rugby Regulation 8 only applies to a country's "senior fifteen-a-side National Representative Team, the next senior fifteen-a-side National Representative Team and the senior National Representative Sevens Team". It also doesn't mention that that the residency period only starts to run once a player leaves school.@stargazer it is very unclear, like how you can play for Samoa one year and NZ the next at 20s year but need to be resident???
I do know they have played around with it a lot over the last 10 years. Even in NZ school boy rugby it changes almost yearly so who knows. -
@stargazer @Nepia Is Fakatava the age-group Akira? He was a notable omission from the NZSS team as well.
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@98blueandgold said in 2019 under 20's:
@stargazer unlike nz schools u20 is an international comp so you must abide by irb rules I believe which means resident or 5 years of living (maybe wrong). NZ schools is not a irb sanctioned event so rules can be decided by union. It has changed over time, previously you to be a resident which is why Waisake Cldnt play but when went from 21s/19s to 20s all rules changed. Now schools anyone can play ie Sagner from Germany this year for schools but Sevu Reece who played schools Cld not play sevens or 20s for NZ. Make sense?
Waisake was actually adopted by his uncle when he moved to nz, as opposed to a scholarship. Hence why I assume he could play nz u20s back in 2011, where as someone like Sivivatu ( almost a decade earlier) didn't play age grade IIRC.
But as you say, also, rules and applications of them at age level, do keep changing over the years. I'm not sure when they actually started enforcing the family home part of of minor's residency.
@rapido Cld be the case but I have a suspicion the rules were different and changed just after that for 20s and NZSS. I know Waisake was adopted but the way irb/nzrfu do paper work around adoptions has changed lately, possible due to increase in use of this
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as way of eligibility?
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@nepia Yep, could be, but they had this list in the team announcement and his name isn't in it:
Players unavailable for selection due to Super Rugby and Sevens committments: Etene Nanai-Seturo (Counties Manukau), Kaleb Trask (Bay of Plenty), Leicester Faingaanuku ( Ta$man), Billy Proctor (Wellington), Caleb Clarke (Auckland), Scott Gregory (Northland) and Jeriah Mua (Bay of Plenty). -
@nepia Yep, could be, but they had this list in the team announcement and his name isn't in it:
Players unavailable for selection due to Super Rugby and Sevens committments: Etene Nanai-Seturo (Counties Manukau), Kaleb Trask (Bay of Plenty), Leicester Faingaanuku ( Ta$man), Billy Proctor (Wellington), Caleb Clarke (Auckland), Scott Gregory (Northland) and Jeriah Mua (Bay of Plenty).@stargazer Yeah I know, maybe he was just an oversight missed from that list?
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Derren Whitcombe has been named assistant coach of U20s
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After watching game with a lot of u20 prospects thought it would be good to get a new topic going.
Players at Crusaders vs Hurricanes D on show.
Tamati Williams - Started and was part of a very strong scrum/Lineout unit. Didnt see in tight but should be part of team.
Cullen Grace - Was starting and has got a lot bigger since school. Very physical and showed he is up to the level. Impressed
Dallas McLeod - As mentioned in other post was the most impressive player on the park incl. ABs!! Big kid and very strong but may not have express pace. One to watch!
Leicester Faingaanuku - Was the player they wanted to get the ball. Big Kid who looked to have x-factor
Shilo Klein - Didnt really show out at this level
Fletcher Newell- played tough up front, good technically
Fergus Burke - Composed and good kicker, will be in mix
Sam Gilbert - Like Burke could be in mix.
Chay Fihaki - Athletic kid who looked to mix it with the big boys. is a prospect
Isaiah Punivai - I know they like him, and he is good but some others shone brighter today.
Kaliopasi Uluilakepa - Monster in loose but at times Hurricanes struggled as a pack. Will be in team!
Stewart Cruden- started but general kicking was very weak today.
Danny Toala - Had moments on attack but was destroyed by McLeod on D. was not up to standard defensively.
Billy Proctor -Inj early
Josiah Tavita Metcalfe - Came on and made impact, ran strongly and earned scrum penalty in game.
Devan Flanders - Looks about 30 but when he came on just has something about him that I like. Does little things well.
Kienan Higgins - Big kid as well, didnt realise he is u20. took on the line a couple of times. physical. -
After watching game with a lot of u20 prospects thought it would be good to get a new topic going.
Players at Crusaders vs Hurricanes D on show.
Tamati Williams - Started and was part of a very strong scrum/Lineout unit. Didnt see in tight but should be part of team.
Cullen Grace - Was starting and has got a lot bigger since school. Very physical and showed he is up to the level. Impressed
Dallas McLeod - As mentioned in other post was the most impressive player on the park incl. ABs!! Big kid and very strong but may not have express pace. One to watch!
Leicester Faingaanuku - Was the player they wanted to get the ball. Big Kid who looked to have x-factor
Shilo Klein - Didnt really show out at this level
Fletcher Newell- played tough up front, good technically
Fergus Burke - Composed and good kicker, will be in mix
Sam Gilbert - Like Burke could be in mix.
Chay Fihaki - Athletic kid who looked to mix it with the big boys. is a prospect
Isaiah Punivai - I know they like him, and he is good but some others shone brighter today.
Kaliopasi Uluilakepa - Monster in loose but at times Hurricanes struggled as a pack. Will be in team!
Stewart Cruden- started but general kicking was very weak today.
Danny Toala - Had moments on attack but was destroyed by McLeod on D. was not up to standard defensively.
Billy Proctor -Inj early
Josiah Tavita Metcalfe - Came on and made impact, ran strongly and earned scrum penalty in game.
Devan Flanders - Looks about 30 but when he came on just has something about him that I like. Does little things well.
Kienan Higgins - Big kid as well, didnt realise he is u20. took on the line a couple of times. physical.@98blueandgold how was frost today. He played well in internal trial. Fletcher Newell was good too
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I didnt get a good look as lots of the reserves for Crusaders came on at the end. Big dude though! Most of the reserves had same numbers as starters which also confused things, lots of similar looking whites guys
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Geez, the NZ U20s will have to deal with this giant again, if they make it past the pool stage; such a big lad and only 18. Poor Ihaia, ragdolled by an 18-year-old.
https://twitter.com/SkySportsRugby/status/1101875783612678144
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List of players selected for the final NZ U20 trial in Palmerston North next week:
Forwards:
Iona Apineru - Wellington
Kaylum Boshier - Taranaki
Rob Cobb - Auckland
Sam Cooper - Waikato
Sam Dickson - Otago
George Dyer - Waikato
Tovo Lesinali Faleafa - Auckland
Samipeni Finau - Waikato
Devan Flanders - Hawke's Bay
Cullen Grace - Canterbury
Kohan Herbert - Bay of Plenty
Josh Hill - Otago
Shamus Hurley Langton - Wellington
Kianu Kereru Symes - Hawke's Bay
Shilo Klein - Canterbury
Michael Loft - Taranaki
Isileli Manu - Auckland
Fletcher Newell - Canterbury
Ollie Norris - Waikato
Taine Plumtree - Wellington
Kershawl Sykes Martin - Ta$man
James Thompson - Waikato
Kaliopasi Uluilakepa - Wellington
Tupou Vaa'i - Taranaki
Tamaiti Williams - Canterbury
Matt Graham Williams - Ta$manBacks:
Fergus Burke - Canterbury
Leroy Carter - Bay of Plenty
Luke Donaldson - Canterbury
Chay Fihaki - Canterbury
Cole Forbes - Bay of Plenty
Taufa Funaki - Auckland
Connor Garden Bachop - Wellington
Sam Gilbert - Canterbury
Awatere Kiwara - Manawatu
Lalomilo Lalomilo - Bay of Plenty
Lincoln McClutchie - Hawke's Bay
Dallas McLeod - Canterbury
Brad McNaughten - North Harbour
Emoni Narawa - Bay of Plenty
Isaiah Punivai - Canterbury
Rivez Reihana - Waikato
Dennon Robinson Barlett - Bay of Plenty
Zarn Sullivan - Auckland
Danny Toala - Hawke's Bay
Quinn Tupaea - Waikato
Reuben Va’a - Wellington*An additional eight tight forwards will attend the set piece camp, of which three will be invited to stay on for the trial.
Players not considered due to injury
Jeriah Mua (Bay of Plenty), Kaleb Trask (Bay of Plenty), Finlay Brewis (Canterbury), Sam Darry (Canterbury), Jack Heighton (North Harbour), Simon Parker (Waikato), Naitoa Ah Kuoi (Wellington), Callum Harkin (Wellington)Players unavailable due to Super Rugby and Sevens commitments
Caleb Clarke (Blues), Etene Nanai Seturo (Chiefs), Billy Proctor (Hurricanes), Leicester Faingaanuku (Crusaders), Scott Gregory (All Blacks Sevens)New Zealand Under 20 Coach Craig Philpott said players have been working on individual programmes since their last assembly in December and they are eager to see progress. “We know a number of these players have been playing for their Super Clubs in Under 20 and Development teams so we expect to hit the ground running next week.” The trial camp includes position specific coaching in the lead up to two trial matches against the Hurricanes and Chiefs Development teams.The New Zealand Under 20 team will compete at the Oceania Championships before heading to Argentina in June for the U20 World Championships. World Rugby announced the draw for the tournament last week, New Zealand tasked with a tough pool assignment coming up against South Africa, Scotland and Georgia with an eye on qualifying for the play offs.http://www.allblacks.com/News/33796/under-20-hopefuls-preparing-for-final-trial
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It's weird that they list Jeriah Mua as injured, considering he played for Chiefs U20 last weekend. Unless he re-injured himself, but he looked okay on photos that I've seen.
And why isn't Folau Fakatava on any of the lists? Again! I could understand it if Tonga was competing at the JWC, but that's not the case.
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I compared this latest list to that for the first camp.
Players invited for the first camp, but not for this final camp:
- Tane Te Aho - Wellington (hooker)
- Jack Gray - Auckland (fullback)
- Iosefa Maloney-Fiaola - Bay of Plenty (lock?)
- Josiah Tavita-Metcalfe - Hawkes Bay (prop)
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Named on the last list but not on the first:- Matt Graham Williams - Ta$man
- Josh Hill - Otago
- Isileli Manu - Auckland
- Kershawl Sykes Martin - Ta$man
- Emoni Narawa - Bay of Plenty
- Zarn Sullivan - Auckland
- Sam Darry (injured) - Canterbury
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It's weird that they list Jeriah Mua as injured, considering he played for Chiefs U20 last weekend. Unless he re-injured himself, but he looked okay on photos that I've seen.
And why isn't Folau Fakatava on any of the lists? Again! I could understand it if Tonga was competing at the JWC, but that's not the case.
@Stargazer said in 2019 under 20's:
And why isn't Folau Fakatava on any of the lists? Again! I could understand it if Tonga was competing at the JWC, but that's not the case.
I assume he isn't eligible yet so they're not selecting him? Or does it not matter at U20s level?
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@Stargazer said in 2019 under 20's:
And why isn't Folau Fakatava on any of the lists? Again! I could understand it if Tonga was competing at the JWC, but that's not the case.
I assume he isn't eligible yet so they're not selecting him? Or does it not matter at U20s level?
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@Nepia I thought it didn't matter because they're not locked in?
@antipodean said in 2019 under 20's:
@Nepia I thought it didn't matter because they're not locked in?
If that's the case then it's bonkers he didn't appear anywhere on that page.
