England v South Africa
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@crucial said in England v South Africa:
@catogrande said in England v South Africa:
@sparky said in England v South Africa:
Ugliest thing about this game was seeing Faf De Klerk watch from a corporate box. Sale Shark didn't have a game this weekend. They should have released one of the best players in the world to play international Rugby for his chosen country yesterday.
Whilst I wholeheartedly agree, Sale would likely be fined heavily by EPR.
Fined for what?
Genuine questionReleasing non-England players out of the International window.
@catogrande said in England v South Africa:
@crucial said in England v South Africa:
@catogrande said in England v South Africa:
@sparky said in England v South Africa:
Ugliest thing about this game was seeing Faf De Klerk watch from a corporate box. Sale Shark didn't have a game this weekend. They should have released one of the best players in the world to play international Rugby for his chosen country yesterday.
Whilst I wholeheartedly agree, Sale would likely be fined heavily by EPR.
Fined for what?
Genuine questionReleasing non-England players out of the International window.
Are you seriously saying that EPR clubs have a deal with the RFU that they will release England players but if any non England players are released there will be heavy fines?
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@catogrande said in England v South Africa:
@crucial said in England v South Africa:
@catogrande said in England v South Africa:
@sparky said in England v South Africa:
Ugliest thing about this game was seeing Faf De Klerk watch from a corporate box. Sale Shark didn't have a game this weekend. They should have released one of the best players in the world to play international Rugby for his chosen country yesterday.
Whilst I wholeheartedly agree, Sale would likely be fined heavily by EPR.
Fined for what?
Genuine questionReleasing non-England players out of the International window.
Are you seriously saying that EPR clubs have a deal with the RFU that they will release England players but if any non England players are released there will be heavy fines?
The RFU pay a decent wedge to the clubs for access to players and release outside of test windows if applicable. Releasing players for free outside of test windows to other unions would probably harm their negotiating position.
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@catogrande said in England v South Africa:
@crucial said in England v South Africa:
@catogrande said in England v South Africa:
@sparky said in England v South Africa:
Ugliest thing about this game was seeing Faf De Klerk watch from a corporate box. Sale Shark didn't have a game this weekend. They should have released one of the best players in the world to play international Rugby for his chosen country yesterday.
Whilst I wholeheartedly agree, Sale would likely be fined heavily by EPR.
Fined for what?
Genuine questionReleasing non-England players out of the International window.
Are you seriously saying that EPR clubs have a deal with the RFU that they will release England players but if any non England players are released there will be heavy fines?
@crucial said in England v South Africa:
@catogrande said in England v South Africa:
@crucial said in England v South Africa:
@catogrande said in England v South Africa:
@sparky said in England v South Africa:
Ugliest thing about this game was seeing Faf De Klerk watch from a corporate box. Sale Shark didn't have a game this weekend. They should have released one of the best players in the world to play international Rugby for his chosen country yesterday.
Whilst I wholeheartedly agree, Sale would likely be fined heavily by EPR.
Fined for what?
Genuine questionReleasing non-England players out of the International window.
Are you seriously saying that EPR clubs have a deal with the RFU that they will release England players but if any non England players are released there will be heavy fines?
What I do know is that both Northampton and Bath got fined for releasing Welsh players outside the window. £60K in each case.
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The RFU pay a decent wedge to the clubs for access to players and release outside of test windows if applicable. Releasing players for free outside of test windows to other unions would probably harm their negotiating position.
@margin_walker said in England v South Africa:
The RFU pay a decent wedge to the clubs for access to players and release outside of test windows if applicable. Releasing players for free outside of test windows to other unions would probably harm their negotiating position.
I understand that. It’s the threat of a large fine part I don’t get.
That deliberately stops other teams from even trying to get their players.
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@catogrande said in England v South Africa:
@crucial said in England v South Africa:
@catogrande said in England v South Africa:
@sparky said in England v South Africa:
Ugliest thing about this game was seeing Faf De Klerk watch from a corporate box. Sale Shark didn't have a game this weekend. They should have released one of the best players in the world to play international Rugby for his chosen country yesterday.
Whilst I wholeheartedly agree, Sale would likely be fined heavily by EPR.
Fined for what?
Genuine questionReleasing non-England players out of the International window.
Are you seriously saying that EPR clubs have a deal with the RFU that they will release England players but if any non England players are released there will be heavy fines?
@crucial yes the RFU pay premier rugby money, a lot, to get access to the England elite squad outside of the international windows for games and training time. Premier rugby have signed an agreement to not release foreign players, Northampton got fined 60k£ for releasing George North for some Wales matches.
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@stargazer said in England v South Africa:
Joke.
Be very interesting to see the ruling on the first similar tackle next week.
And good Farrell won't be the excuse next week.
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IMO both sides the losers here. Neither deserved it. Boks will be pleased that they are in good shape in many areas: midfield, scrum, etc.. But also some glaring weaknesses (e.g. openside when Flo not playing), which Rassie only has nine months to try and fix. Their top XV is very formidable, and if they could bring the squad up to that level they would be real contenders for RWC.
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To me it's a 'no-arms' tackle the way his right arm is trailing out behind like a flag or penant. It is not 'cocked' ready to wrap - it only wraps because of the momentum flinging it forward. Same as SBW, however SBW hit his head red card all day. Farrell just a penalty.
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Not surprised there's no citing as I don't think it met the RC threshold.
(YC for me.)
Question: is the law must attempt to wrap arms? Or is it must wrap arms?
@booboo said in England v South Africa:
Not surprised there's no citing as I don't think it met the RC threshold.
(YC for me.)
Question: is the law must attempt to wrap arms? Or is it must wrap arms?
It’s ‘must grasp’
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IMO It wasn't to the head. Time of impact
head then comes forward from the impact, boks' chin assaults Farrells shoulder
Not high IMO, but no arms "stiff arm tackle"
A ‘stiff-arm tackle’ is dangerous play. A player makes a stiff-arm tackle when using a stiff-arm to strike an opponent.
Sanction: Penalty kickLeft arm 'cocked and ready to wrap, right arm backwards and 'stiff'
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@crucial yes the RFU pay premier rugby money, a lot, to get access to the England elite squad outside of the international windows for games and training time. Premier rugby have signed an agreement to not release foreign players, Northampton got fined 60k£ for releasing George North for some Wales matches.
@machpants said in England v South Africa:
@crucial yes the RFU pay premier rugby money, a lot, to get access to the England elite squad outside of the international windows for games and training time. Premier rugby have signed an agreement to not release foreign players, Northampton got fined 60k£ for releasing George North for some Wales matches.
Cool. So England can buy their desired players and stop others from having theirs. I’m happy to use that one in a discussion with an England fan.
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IMO It wasn't to the head. Time of impact
head then comes forward from the impact, boks' chin assaults Farrells shoulder
Not high IMO, but no arms "stiff arm tackle"A ‘stiff-arm tackle’ is dangerous play. A player makes a stiff-arm tackle when using a stiff-arm to strike an opponent.
Sanction: Penalty kickLeft arm 'cocked and ready to wrap, right arm backwards and 'stiff'
@machpants Fair enough, but to me no effort to wrap arms until AFTER impact.
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@machpants Fair enough, but to me no effort to wrap arms until AFTER impact.
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@machpants said in England v South Africa:
@crucial yes the RFU pay premier rugby money, a lot, to get access to the England elite squad outside of the international windows for games and training time. Premier rugby have signed an agreement to not release foreign players, Northampton got fined 60k£ for releasing George North for some Wales matches.
Cool. So England can buy their desired players and stop others from having theirs. I’m happy to use that one in a discussion with an England fan.
@crucial said in England v South Africa:
@machpants said in England v South Africa:
@crucial yes the RFU pay premier rugby money, a lot, to get access to the England elite squad outside of the international windows for games and training time. Premier rugby have signed an agreement to not release foreign players, Northampton got fined 60k£ for releasing George North for some Wales matches.
Cool. So England can buy their desired players and stop others from having theirs. I’m happy to use that one in a discussion with an England fan.
Yeah Premier rugby give a tiny shit about the state of England rugby, unlike soccer England rugby is the main driver for rugby supporters/money. But they give less than zero shits about international rugby, and if I was a business like them I'd be the same. Not their job to worry about the state of the Boks cos all their players are playing overseas. COmes down to moronic French and English RU's not gripping professionalism back in the day and centralising everything. Too late now
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@machpants said in England v South Africa:
@crucial yes the RFU pay premier rugby money, a lot, to get access to the England elite squad outside of the international windows for games and training time. Premier rugby have signed an agreement to not release foreign players, Northampton got fined 60k£ for releasing George North for some Wales matches.
Cool. So England can buy their desired players and stop others from having theirs. I’m happy to use that one in a discussion with an England fan.
@crucial said in England v South Africa:
@machpants said in England v South Africa:
@crucial yes the RFU pay premier rugby money, a lot, to get access to the England elite squad outside of the international windows for games and training time. Premier rugby have signed an agreement to not release foreign players, Northampton got fined 60k£ for releasing George North for some Wales matches.
Cool. So England can buy their desired players and stop others from having theirs. I’m happy to use that one in a discussion with an England fan.
It's a bit more complicated than that. There is an agreement between the RFU and the EPR which includes a subsidy from the RFU for the release of England players for designated training camps and matches. There is no such agreement between any other unions and EPR, doesn't mean there couldn't be, but highly unlikely as tis would remove the disincentive for players to play in another country.
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@crucial said in England v South Africa:
@machpants said in England v South Africa:
@crucial yes the RFU pay premier rugby money, a lot, to get access to the England elite squad outside of the international windows for games and training time. Premier rugby have signed an agreement to not release foreign players, Northampton got fined 60k£ for releasing George North for some Wales matches.
Cool. So England can buy their desired players and stop others from having theirs. I’m happy to use that one in a discussion with an England fan.
It's a bit more complicated than that. There is an agreement between the RFU and the EPR which includes a subsidy from the RFU for the release of England players for designated training camps and matches. There is no such agreement between any other unions and EPR, doesn't mean there couldn't be, but highly unlikely as tis would remove the disincentive for players to play in another country.
@catogrande said in England v South Africa:
@crucial said in England v South Africa:
@machpants said in England v South Africa:
@crucial yes the RFU pay premier rugby money, a lot, to get access to the England elite squad outside of the international windows for games and training time. Premier rugby have signed an agreement to not release foreign players, Northampton got fined 60k£ for releasing George North for some Wales matches.
Cool. So England can buy their desired players and stop others from having theirs. I’m happy to use that one in a discussion with an England fan.
It's a bit more complicated than that. There is an agreement between the RFU and the EPR which includes a subsidy from the RFU for the release of England players for designated training camps and matches. There is no such agreement between any other unions and EPR, doesn't mean there couldn't be, but highly unlikely as tis would remove the disincentive for players to play in another country.
That’s a bit different to fining teams that are happy to release being fined.
