England vs All Blacks
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I thought that the whole offside thing was justice for them being offside many other times during the match. They only got called on it because it led to a try. It should have happened several times earlier.
@snowy said in England vs All Blacks:
I thought that the whole offside thing was justice for them being offside many other times during the match. They only got called on it because it led to a try. It should have happened several times earlier.
Their 11 spent so much time in our line he should have been wearing a black jersey. He wasn't alone. I don't blame Garces but the touchies are right in line and don't call the offside.
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For a neutral, a very absorbing game to watch.
I thought England looked a significantly better team than the one that played the Boks. Conditions were horrible but they played smart, aggressive and effective rugby. Thoroughly deserved their lead early on.
But credit to the ABs who adjusted their game superbly. BBR was immense at the lineout and while I teased about him, thought Barrett was an effective sub later in the game. Beauden Barrett getting a droppie is a bit of learning the ABs may appreciate come RWC.Thought the officiating was average to ok. England got away (again) with a fair number of offside defence. But good to see that this time home crowd pressure didn’t negatively affect the TMO call.
England will feel this is one that got away. If they had taken the 3 points on offer towards the back end of the game... They too will have learned something to take to Japan.
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I don't think Shag will be too happy with Ofa for just lying on their side of the ruck towards the end of the match just outside their 22. He made no attempt to roll away. Another ref could have easily penalised him for that and it would have been 3 points to them and game over. Terrible discipline on his part.
@akan004 said in England vs All Blacks:
I don't think Shag will be too happy with Ofa for just lying on their side of the ruck towards the end of the match just outside their 22. He made no attempt to roll away. Another ref could have easily penalised him for that and it would have been 3 points to them and game over. Terrible discipline on his part.
I was just waiting for the arm to go out and when it never happened after the first one I was relieved, but when he did the second time I yelled at the TV and woke up one of my kids.
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I teckon the English halfback over milking thosr penalties actually got us off the hook. He made such a massive meal of each one the ref had little interest in them
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Deliberate decision by Grces not to ping Ofa. The ball was free and he wasn't slowing it or impeding a realistic option.
Even if he was, it was consistent. There were times when AS looked open side, couldn't pass there because of an offside pom and played blindside as well. -
Can we talk about what a dour fuckwit Barnes is a commentator?
His dreary, dad, my-wife-just-left-me tone of voice is very poor gor broadcasting. He offers very very little in terms of insight. And he is shameless in his opinion changing on the fly.
Read taking the scrum was another bad decision by a captain/team making a habit of bad decisions when we are under pressure. After we scored the try it was a great decision by the captain. Reverse when england went the corner and came up with zilch.
Fuck up you borin short neckless fuckwit. Where is that clip from 2011 again?
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I don't think Shag will be too happy with Ofa for just lying on their side of the ruck towards the end of the match just outside their 22. He made no attempt to roll away. Another ref could have easily penalised him for that and it would have been 3 points to them and game over. Terrible discipline on his part.
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@majorrage said in England vs All Blacks:
England robbed.
Shit decison. Reverse it and This forum tops porn hub for bandwidth.
Hollow victory for me, Twickenham felt confused
What a load of bullshit. I think you've out marshalled Justin Marshall there. Pretty sad for you.
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@akan004 said in England vs All Blacks:
I don't think Shag will be too happy with Ofa for just lying on their side of the ruck towards the end of the match just outside their 22. He made no attempt to roll away. Another ref could have easily penalised him for that and it would have been 3 points to them and game over. Terrible discipline on his part.
It took me 79 minutes to get worked up enough to tell at the TV, that was the moment. Ofa lieing there like a stiff corpse.
@rapido said in England vs All Blacks:
@akan004 said in England vs All Blacks:
I don't think Shag will be too happy with Ofa for just lying on their side of the ruck towards the end of the match just outside their 22. He made no attempt to roll away. Another ref could have easily penalised him for that and it would have been 3 points to them and game over. Terrible discipline on his part.
It took me 79 minutes to get worked up enough to yell at the TV, that was the moment. Ofa lying there like a stiff corpse.
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@bones sorry for making you sad. No real need for it tho, had a fantastic day - one of the best in a long time
No doubt watching the replay this morning the call less controversial than it seemed at the game.
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@canefan said in England vs All Blacks:
Difficult to see from that shot but that "last man's foot" at the time looked to be the first man's foot - ie an AB. Not sure whether that makes any difference or not. Notwithstanding that though I have to agree that Lawes was just offside.
I think the difference on the day was our lineout not functioning in the second half added to which Retallick went into overdrive. Just couldn't get any decent possession.
Well done to NZ, winning a game that could so easily have gotten away from them. Many plus points for England though, we looked a much better team than last week - well we did for the first half anyway.
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@canefan said in England vs All Blacks:
Difficult to see from that shot but that "last man's foot" at the time looked to be the first man's foot - ie an AB. Not sure whether that makes any difference or not. Notwithstanding that though I have to agree that Lawes was just offside.
I think the difference on the day was our lineout not functioning in the second half added to which Retallick went into overdrive. Just couldn't get any decent possession.
Well done to NZ, winning a game that could so easily have gotten away from them. Many plus points for England though, we looked a much better team than last week - well we did for the first half anyway.
@catogrande said in England vs All Blacks:
@canefan said in England vs All Blacks:
Difficult to see from that shot but that "last man's foot" at the time looked to be the first man's foot - ie an AB. Not sure whether that makes any difference or not. Notwithstanding that though I have to agree that Lawes was just offside.
I think the difference on the day was our lineout not functioning in the second half added to which Retallick went into overdrive. Just couldn't get any decent possession.
Well done to NZ, winning a game that could so easily have gotten away from them. Many plus points for England though, we looked a much better team than last week - well we did for the first half anyway.
It was a tackle, not a ruck, so the offside line was the All Black's foot. Notwithstanding rule changes due to the Italian Job. Lawes was miles offside.
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A couple of posts above contain the typo "iffside". I wonder whether this might be a good term to use for offside decisions (correct or otherwise) deemed to materially affect the result of a match, as opposed to plain vanilla offside calls?
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@victor-meldrew said in England vs All Blacks:
The first Test match I went to was a "must win" 3rd Test against the Lions in '71 (I was young...). I was also at Cardiff in '07 for the "must win" Quarter Final against France...
I'm at Twickenham next week for the AB's v England.
The Curse of the Meldrews. Be afraid, be very afraid.
Curse of the Meldrews trumped by Aura.
@sparky said in England vs All Blacks:
Curse of the Meldrews trumped by Aura.
Think I spotted her in the North Stand at about 75 mins into the game...
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@snowy said in England vs All Blacks:
I thought that the whole offside thing was justice for them being offside many other times during the match. They only got called on it because it led to a try. It should have happened several times earlier.
What Snowy said.
I counted 6 very clear offsides not called against England during the game.
Plus, not so much justice with the offsides call wrt the try, just finally the right call made.
Kudos to the TMO.There were a couple of very clear England off-sides near their line at the end of the first half - right in front of us.
To be fair, the ABs probably got away with a couple down the other end as well.
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Well, that non-try excepted England didn't score any points for the final 60 odd minutes of the game. So we did tighten up in that regard.
We really needed to capitalise on our chances early in the 2nd half. England did well to slow things down, as noted on here it became a very stop-start affair.
I do feel a bit dirty about the non-try, players are 5cm offside at nearly every ruck. The chargedown meant they had to check it but not convinced there was enough evidence to overturn the decision.
DMac was awesome in the first half. Ardie good throughout. Brodie went into beast mode in the 2nd, which proved the difference. What a player.
Outscored 2 tries to 1. Beauden nailed a droppie. I think the word surreal gets over used but is probably apt here.
@no-quarter he was never in an onside position, the long haired prop next to him was the guide. But again its the refeering thats the problem as nobody would complain if they call that throughout the game
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@akan004 said in England vs All Blacks:
Didn't want the win to be decided on a call like that. TJ seemed to take an age to kick the ball. We will be accused of being favoured but England/ Itoje were really cynical on defence and were lucky not to get a yellow which balances out the disallowed try.
Cynical runs both ways. Look back at the amount of times that Itoje was tackled beyond the ruck.
@derm-mccrum like the bullshit call that went against Barrett. Please try another one. garces is a shit ref and generally goes with what he knows
