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  • SiamS Offline
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    @mariner4life said in Woo:

    @siam said in Woo:

    @jegga said in Woo:

    @siam said in Woo:

    I think the major point for me was that the impression in the old days was that "old age" was late 20s to early 30s and then references are drawn from that which were simply inaccurate, but considered fact e.g..
    Girls got partnered and married at 13 because they were middle aged and time was short. Actually probably just puberty and reproduction.
    Nobody lived to their 70s.
    Modern doctors have been known to explain that we suffer aches and pains and ailments from the age of 45 because "our bodies aren't used to living that long"

    We've always lived long but we've certainly made improvements to our first 2 years of life.

    The next question is what's quality of life hanging on to 80 plus for the average human? I've visited a lot of old age homes and that's about the worst advertisement for tacking on an extra decade that I can think of!

    I’ll visit you when you’re 80 ask you that question.

    Bring flowers bro!

    wow, needy much?

    Ohhh, it'll make the gravestone look nice

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    for some reason my earlier post didn't - post redoing it as some it is relevant. The link I posted earlier also has graphs on quality of life in your elder years.

    @siam The average life expectancy is over 50 if you survive past 5 is a more precise way point making your point.

    Overall life expectancy at birth was less than 50 in much of Africa and Asia as recently as 1950. In fact even if you were to make it to 10 you could only expect to make it to 55 in China if you were born in 1950.

    Given that the world was a much more challenging environment for the hunter gatherers I don't think it's far fetched to believe their life expectancy would have been less than a Chinaman born 58 years ago.

    There is also the wealth factor to consider (& still is today). Any reading of history confirms that plenty of patrician Roman's lived into their 80's but the same wouldn't have been true for a prole.

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    Oh and yeah I have visited care hospitals and effectively there is no quality of life - not because of the facilities or nursing care but the mental incapacity of the inmates. All very well living longer but if you spend all your days screaming for your mummy - yeah nah

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    @dogmeat or screaming for Jegga!!

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    @paekakboyz said in Woo:

    @dogmeat or screaming for Jegga!!

    BRING ME FLOWERS!!!!

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    @dogmeat said in Woo:

    for some reason my earlier post didn't - post redoing it as some it is relevant. The link I posted earlier also has graphs on quality of life in your elder years.

    @siam The average life expectancy is over 50 if you survive past 5 is a more precise way point making your point.

    Overall life expectancy at birth was less than 50 in much of Africa and Asia as recently as 1950. In fact even if you were to make it to 10 you could only expect to make it to 55 in China if you were born in 1950.

    > Given that the world was a much more challenging environment for the hunter gatherers I don't think it's far fetched to believe their life expectancy would have been less than a Chinaman born 58 years ago.

    There is also the wealth factor to consider (& still is today). Any reading of history confirms that plenty of patrician Roman's lived into their 80's but the same wouldn't have been true for a prole.

    I wonder about that. Once you get past infancy, it's only really nature that'll fuck you up. Get a shelter sorted, hang out where there's food, know about predators and spend your days in your community. Getting knocked on the head when you're too slow to keep up though....
    As opposed to cultural and politically driven famines and forced migration and settlements.

    Way over- simplification I know but strip away modern conveniences and we're still a dominant species taking a place in the world, and did so for thousands of years compared to 100 odd years of modernity.

    Just a thought and I'm swayed by some up country Thai folks I've known who'd hardly bat an eyelid if the electricity disappeared.

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    @dogmeat said in Woo:

    Oh and yeah I have visited care hospitals and effectively there is no quality of life - not because of the facilities or nursing care but the mental incapacity of the inmates. All very well living longer but if you spend all your days screaming for your mummy - yeah nah

    Yep, the almost vegetative state of the residents is a daunting sight.
    Pills, food, adult diapers, sleep, sit in front of a tv with no sound, stare into space for hours at a time, rinse and repeat day after day.

    Staff are amazing in general though

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    Is Ardern pro disease?

    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12159454

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    @jegga ?? sounds like bubs isn't going due to the risk?

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    @paekakboyz said in Woo:

    @jegga ?? sounds like bubs isn't going due to the risk?

    You get free polio vaccinations in NZ

    https://www.health.govt.nz/your-health/conditions-and-treatments/diseases-and-illnesses/polio-poliomyelitis Surely Chuckie has had them ? Mum travels a lot and likes to take the kid with her, makes sense .
    Unless she’s “ done her research”.

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    ah, thanks 🙂 Haven't heard anything about their stance on vaccinations. But if they were anti I think someone would have latched on to that by now though.

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    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/lifestyle/news/article.cfm?c_id=6&objectid=12175429

    Brilliant. If it were up to me, I kick any non-vaxxers the fuck out of my kids' school

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    What would anti-vaxxers do if we developed a vaccine for autism?

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    @antipodean said in Woo:

    What would anti-vaxxers do if we developed a vaccine for autism?

    Their heads would explode. How about vaccines for cancer? Not just for HPV. At what point do these fucktards come back to the human race and let modern medicine do it's thing?

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    @antipodean see my post a several posts prior to this one...about peoples hatred for Autistic people being so strong they'd rather a sick or dead child!

    We have had a few cases of Meningitis up this way recently and they are vaccinating kids aged 0-5 and 12-18 urgently.

    Took TR Jnr there the first chance I got last week! He did wake up on Saturday morning and started vomiting and his shoulder was a bit red and swollen, however it would appear the vomiting was purely coincidental and the redness and swelling was to be expected.but also went away

    He got over the vomiting pretty quick and has survived.

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  • antipodeanA Offline
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    I've been jabbed with all sorts of vaccines thanks to the Army. There's all the standard ones and then there's the "you're going here so we've got this". 🤢

    There are the side benefits of course. For example I'm now immune to dengue fever - all four strains. Now that was unpleasant.

    I just don't understand the mentality that results in ignoring the expertise of people that study for a decade just to get into their chosen field, billions of dollars annually on development and testing and the clear historical benefit. It must qualify as a mental illness.

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