Woo
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I think the major point for me was that the impression in the old days was that "old age" was late 20s to early 30s and then references are drawn from that which were simply inaccurate, but considered fact e.g..
Girls got partnered and married at 13 because they were middle aged and time was short. Actually probably just puberty and reproduction.
Nobody lived to their 70s.
Modern doctors have been known to explain that we suffer aches and pains and ailments from the age of 45 because "our bodies aren't used to living that long"We've always lived long but we've certainly made improvements to our first 2 years of life.
The next question is what's quality of life hanging on to 80 plus for the average human? I've visited a lot of old age homes and that's about the worst advertisement for tacking on an extra decade that I can think of!
I’ll visit you when you’re 80 ask you that question.
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I think the major point for me was that the impression in the old days was that "old age" was late 20s to early 30s and then references are drawn from that which were simply inaccurate, but considered fact e.g..
Girls got partnered and married at 13 because they were middle aged and time was short. Actually probably just puberty and reproduction.
Nobody lived to their 70s.
Modern doctors have been known to explain that we suffer aches and pains and ailments from the age of 45 because "our bodies aren't used to living that long"We've always lived long but we've certainly made improvements to our first 2 years of life.
The next question is what's quality of life hanging on to 80 plus for the average human? I've visited a lot of old age homes and that's about the worst advertisement for tacking on an extra decade that I can think of!
I’ll visit you when you’re 80 ask you that question.
Bring flowers bro!
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I think the major point for me was that the impression in the old days was that "old age" was late 20s to early 30s and then references are drawn from that which were simply inaccurate, but considered fact e.g..
Girls got partnered and married at 13 because they were middle aged and time was short. Actually probably just puberty and reproduction.
Nobody lived to their 70s.
Modern doctors have been known to explain that we suffer aches and pains and ailments from the age of 45 because "our bodies aren't used to living that long"We've always lived long but we've certainly made improvements to our first 2 years of life.
The next question is what's quality of life hanging on to 80 plus for the average human? I've visited a lot of old age homes and that's about the worst advertisement for tacking on an extra decade that I can think of!
I’ll visit you when you’re 80 ask you that question.
Bring flowers bro!
wow, needy much?
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@siam fark, I'd have said beer!
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@mariner4life said in Woo:
I think the major point for me was that the impression in the old days was that "old age" was late 20s to early 30s and then references are drawn from that which were simply inaccurate, but considered fact e.g..
Girls got partnered and married at 13 because they were middle aged and time was short. Actually probably just puberty and reproduction.
Nobody lived to their 70s.
Modern doctors have been known to explain that we suffer aches and pains and ailments from the age of 45 because "our bodies aren't used to living that long"We've always lived long but we've certainly made improvements to our first 2 years of life.
The next question is what's quality of life hanging on to 80 plus for the average human? I've visited a lot of old age homes and that's about the worst advertisement for tacking on an extra decade that I can think of!
I’ll visit you when you’re 80 ask you that question.
Bring flowers bro!
wow, needy much?
I was thinking he was meaning he’d be taking a dirt nap by then and the flowers were for the pot by his headstone . I’m not giving flowers to another living bloke .
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@taniwharugby said in Woo:
@siam fark, I'd have said beer!
I won’t care what you bring as long as you get off my lawn .
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So, no data suggesting a LE of under 50 odd?
Even going back to Hunter gatherers.
Apologies for my imprecise language and 10 years too much but the myth premise remains, humans have always lived longer than 50 on average
In the Wikipedia link I quoted you had to get to classical Rome to have an LE of 50 after getting past early childhood.
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@mariner4life said in Woo:
I think the major point for me was that the impression in the old days was that "old age" was late 20s to early 30s and then references are drawn from that which were simply inaccurate, but considered fact e.g..
Girls got partnered and married at 13 because they were middle aged and time was short. Actually probably just puberty and reproduction.
Nobody lived to their 70s.
Modern doctors have been known to explain that we suffer aches and pains and ailments from the age of 45 because "our bodies aren't used to living that long"We've always lived long but we've certainly made improvements to our first 2 years of life.
The next question is what's quality of life hanging on to 80 plus for the average human? I've visited a lot of old age homes and that's about the worst advertisement for tacking on an extra decade that I can think of!
I’ll visit you when you’re 80 ask you that question.
Bring flowers bro!
wow, needy much?
Ohhh, it'll make the gravestone look nice
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for some reason my earlier post didn't - post redoing it as some it is relevant. The link I posted earlier also has graphs on quality of life in your elder years.
@siam The average life expectancy is over 50 if you survive past 5 is a more precise way point making your point.
Overall life expectancy at birth was less than 50 in much of Africa and Asia as recently as 1950. In fact even if you were to make it to 10 you could only expect to make it to 55 in China if you were born in 1950.
Given that the world was a much more challenging environment for the hunter gatherers I don't think it's far fetched to believe their life expectancy would have been less than a Chinaman born 58 years ago.
There is also the wealth factor to consider (& still is today). Any reading of history confirms that plenty of patrician Roman's lived into their 80's but the same wouldn't have been true for a prole.
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Oh and yeah I have visited care hospitals and effectively there is no quality of life - not because of the facilities or nursing care but the mental incapacity of the inmates. All very well living longer but if you spend all your days screaming for your mummy - yeah nah
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@dogmeat or screaming for Jegga!!
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for some reason my earlier post didn't - post redoing it as some it is relevant. The link I posted earlier also has graphs on quality of life in your elder years.
@siam The average life expectancy is over 50 if you survive past 5 is a more precise way point making your point.
Overall life expectancy at birth was less than 50 in much of Africa and Asia as recently as 1950. In fact even if you were to make it to 10 you could only expect to make it to 55 in China if you were born in 1950.
> Given that the world was a much more challenging environment for the hunter gatherers I don't think it's far fetched to believe their life expectancy would have been less than a Chinaman born 58 years ago.
There is also the wealth factor to consider (& still is today). Any reading of history confirms that plenty of patrician Roman's lived into their 80's but the same wouldn't have been true for a prole.
I wonder about that. Once you get past infancy, it's only really nature that'll fuck you up. Get a shelter sorted, hang out where there's food, know about predators and spend your days in your community. Getting knocked on the head when you're too slow to keep up though....
As opposed to cultural and politically driven famines and forced migration and settlements.Way over- simplification I know but strip away modern conveniences and we're still a dominant species taking a place in the world, and did so for thousands of years compared to 100 odd years of modernity.
Just a thought and I'm swayed by some up country Thai folks I've known who'd hardly bat an eyelid if the electricity disappeared.
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Oh and yeah I have visited care hospitals and effectively there is no quality of life - not because of the facilities or nursing care but the mental incapacity of the inmates. All very well living longer but if you spend all your days screaming for your mummy - yeah nah
Yep, the almost vegetative state of the residents is a daunting sight.
Pills, food, adult diapers, sleep, sit in front of a tv with no sound, stare into space for hours at a time, rinse and repeat day after day.Staff are amazing in general though
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Is Ardern pro disease?
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12159454
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@jegga ?? sounds like bubs isn't going due to the risk?
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@paekakboyz said in Woo:
@jegga ?? sounds like bubs isn't going due to the risk?
You get free polio vaccinations in NZ
https://www.health.govt.nz/your-health/conditions-and-treatments/diseases-and-illnesses/polio-poliomyelitis Surely Chuckie has had them ? Mum travels a lot and likes to take the kid with her, makes sense .
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ah, thanks
Haven't heard anything about their stance on vaccinations. But if they were anti I think someone would have latched on to that by now though. -
