Ireland vs All Blacks (2018)
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@machpants said in Ireland Vs All Blacks:
@billy-tell said in Ireland Vs All Blacks:
He did a wind up piece for the NZ audience 'not within the spirit of the game' etc etc
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/rugby/news/article.cfm?c_id=80&objectid=12159079&ref=rss
What a load of bollocks. Didn't even bother to research how Aki landed in Connacht, never mind that he's playing 12 for Ireland. As for mainstay in midfield, I'm sure Henshaw and Ringrose might beg to differ. Addison and Farrell aren't too shabby either. But the journalist had a "story" to tell and a theme to pursue I realise.
The scouring the world for project players schtick is also wide of the mark given the investment the IRFU is putting into the IQ programme. And as for "Irish tactic harming world rugby", a quick look at the numbers might tell a different story.
The number of SH-born players currently in Six Nations clubs/provinces is 567. That includes professional players in four competitions - Top14, Premiership, PRO14 and the French second division PRO D2. It excludes the two SA teams in PRO14 for obvious reasons.
There's 443 SH-born players out of a total of 2,014 players in the 3 top leagues - covering all 38 teams/senior squads and the club academies in UK & Ireland. French teams don't provide as much details on their young academy players so don't have those numbers/births..
France has 311 SH-born - 55%
England 147 - 26%
Ireland 31 - 5.5%
Wales 31 - 5.5%
Scotland 26 - 4.6%
Italy 20 - 3.5%The top 12 birth-countries for players playing outside their country are:
SA - 137; NZ - 117; AUS - 63; ENG - 47; FIJ - 39; IRL - 29; TON - 27; WAL - 28; SCO - 25; ARG - 25; GEO - 24; SAM - 18; and France has just 6,SH birth countries include - Aus, Arg, Fiji, Namibia, NZ, SA, Samoa, Tonga, Zimbabwe, Tahiti, Trinidad & Tobago, Wallis & Fortuna, Uruguay, Colombia
NH birth countries include - Scot, Eng, Irl, Wal, Italy, Fra, Germany, USA, Canada, Netherlands, Georgia, Spain, Portugal, Monaco, St Lucia, Romania, Albania, Guinea, Russia, Nigeria, Hong Kong, Moldova, Cameroon, Burka Fasino, Ghana.
More specifically, the PRO14 which involves Ireland, Italy, Scotland & Wales has 727 players across 12 teams - average 61 players including their academies. Of those:
Home country-born - 551 - 76%
SH-born - 108 - 15%
NH-born - 68 - 9%In Ireland, there are 31 SH-born players which includes the likes of Carbery, with Irish parents who moved at 10, Niyi Adeolokun who moved from Nigeria at 9, and some with parents/grandparents such as Reidy, Bent, Bealham, etc. The split of 50 foreign-born players is NZ/SA/Eng 13 each, Aus 4, and ones from Fra, Spa, US, Can, Geo, etc who largely moved when they were kids with Irish parents in most cases.
As Billy Tell notes above the IRFU focus has largely shifted to using the Exiles branch in the UK and tracking already qualified Irish talent there and in France. Latest new cap, Will Addison, born in England, Irish mother, and had a break clause in his Sale contract, that if an opportunity arose with getting a contract in an Irish province, he could take it. It did and he did.
The numbers of SH-born players has been dropping in Ireland in the last 3 years. Yes of course, there are still some players who could residency qualify such as Jamison Gibson Park next July, assuming his Leinster contract is renewed, although Murray has now re-signed until 2021. Jean Kleyn, a SA lock at Munster is another, although there's at least 5 ahead of him in the queue. Lowe might or might not make it given his age and health issues - he wouldn't be available for selection until Six Nations 2021 - assuming he wants to renew/is offered contract in 2020. He's not a nominated project player and could get a better offer like Te'o did going to England. The others are standard club players - so far on performance anyway.
The remaining already capped foreign players contracts such as Fardy, Taute, van der Merwe finish next June and can't be renewed. Plus there'll be some likely retirements such as Tom McCartney in Connacht who's 34 next year. I reckon by season-end, there'll be less than five players who aren't Irish-qualified in Irish rugby. Assuming that others aren't hired in the meantime of course.
The IRFU announced today that it had sold some investment land property that will realise them at minimum $NZ45m and probably rising to $55/60m that gives IRFU "the opportunity to progress investment options which will, in addition to securing a new realisable asset, produce an additional, long term income stream to support further development of the domestic grass roots game on this island, in the decades to come. It is also envisaged that a portion of the proceeds will be provided for new club and playing facilities development programmes."
But I suppose that kind of financial long-term investment in the domestic game wouldn't fit with the 'scouring the world" angle that Gregor Paul decided to latch lazily onto.
@derm-mccrum Welcome to our world fella ...
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@rancid-schnitzel said in Ireland Vs All Blacks:
@derm-mccrum said in Ireland Vs All Blacks:
@rancid-schnitzel said in Ireland Vs All Blacks:
@no-quarter said in Ireland Vs All Blacks:
https://twitter.com/AllBlacks/status/1062057442572361728?s=19
Gallagher was my favourite AB at that time. Was absolutely crushed when he went to league. A deadset legend in black.
Is that the guy that NZ poached from England/Ireland.........?
I must say it broke my heart a bit when I found out he was a pom. But it says everything about pom rugby at the time that a player of his calibre would never have gotten near the top. In any case, he acquired the bulk of his skills through the excellence of the NZ rugby system
.On Ridge, maybe he would have been less of a cnut if he hadn't gone to the cnut's nest that is Manly?
On Timu, would Jonah have been selected if Timu hadn't defected to league?
On Crowley, that bugger looked like a 70s AB who snuck onto the ground. Talk about regressing.
I'm not sure if they all played together on the same team, but Deans, Fox, McCahill, Wright and Crowley would have to be up there with the least physically imposing ABs of all time.
Would any of them have cracked the 80 kg Mark?
@mn5 said in Ireland Vs All Blacks:
@rancid-schnitzel said in Ireland Vs All Blacks:
@derm-mccrum said in Ireland Vs All Blacks:
@rancid-schnitzel said in Ireland Vs All Blacks:
@no-quarter said in Ireland Vs All Blacks:
https://twitter.com/AllBlacks/status/1062057442572361728?s=19
Gallagher was my favourite AB at that time. Was absolutely crushed when he went to league. A deadset legend in black.
Is that the guy that NZ poached from England/Ireland.........?
I must say it broke my heart a bit when I found out he was a pom. But it says everything about pom rugby at the time that a player of his calibre would never have gotten near the top. In any case, he acquired the bulk of his skills through the excellence of the NZ rugby system
.On Ridge, maybe he would have been less of a cnut if he hadn't gone to the cnut's nest that is Manly?
On Timu, would Jonah have been selected if Timu hadn't defected to league?
On Crowley, that bugger looked like a 70s AB who snuck onto the ground. Talk about regressing.
I'm not sure if they all played together on the same team, but Deans, Fox, McCahill, Wright and Crowley would have to be up there with the least physically imposing ABs of all time.
Would any of them have cracked the 80 kg Mark?
Maybe dripping wet with midgets on their backs.
Eddie Jones was an 80kg hooker back in the day.
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@crucial said in Ireland Vs All Blacks:
Look. Tana and BOD have buried the hatchet and are sharing a laugh.
I see BOD only got him a glass of water while he gets himself a pint of the black nectar.
Cheap bastard.
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Another week of “work ons” for Scott McLeod.
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Another week of “work ons” for Scott McLeod.
@donsteppa said in Ireland Vs All Blacks:
Another week of “work ons” for Scott McLeod.
Very slow news day.
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@crucial said in Ireland Vs All Blacks:
Look. Tana and BOD have buried the hatchet and are sharing a laugh.
So we only have to wait 13 years then?
@kirwan said in Ireland Vs All Blacks:
@crucial said in Ireland Vs All Blacks:
Look. Tana and BOD have buried the hatchet and are sharing a laugh.
So we only have to wait 13 years then?
For BOD to apologise?
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@crucial said in Ireland Vs All Blacks:
Look. Tana and BOD have buried the hatchet and are sharing a laugh.
Both wearing Guinness shirts , is it genuine, looks like the shooting of an ad ?
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@crucial said in Ireland Vs All Blacks:
Look. Tana and BOD have buried the hatchet and are sharing a laugh.
Both wearing Guinness shirts , is it genuine, looks like the shooting of an ad ?
@kiwiinmelb said in Ireland Vs All Blacks:
@crucial said in Ireland Vs All Blacks:
Look. Tana and BOD have buried the hatchet and are sharing a laugh.
Both wearing Guinness shirts , is it genuine, looks like the shooting of an ad ?
Look at the veins in BODs right arm. Looks like he's rubbing one out
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BOD should be thanking Tana and Kev. Thanks to that incident, BOD is the only person from that Lions squad to come out of the tour with their reputation actually enhanced.
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@derm-mccrum said in Ireland Vs All Blacks:
@rancid-schnitzel said in Ireland Vs All Blacks:
@no-quarter said in Ireland Vs All Blacks:
https://twitter.com/AllBlacks/status/1062057442572361728?s=19
Gallagher was my favourite AB at that time. Was absolutely crushed when he went to league. A deadset legend in black.
Is that the guy that NZ poached from England/Ireland.........?
I must say it broke my heart a bit when I found out he was a pom. But it says everything about pom rugby at the time that a player of his calibre would never have gotten near the top. In any case, he acquired the bulk of his skills through the excellence of the NZ rugby system
.On Ridge, maybe he would have been less of a cnut if he hadn't gone to the cnut's nest that is Manly?
On Timu, would Jonah have been selected if Timu hadn't defected to league?
On Crowley, that bugger looked like a 70s AB who snuck onto the ground. Talk about regressing.
I'm not sure if they all played together on the same team, but Deans, Fox, McCahill, Wright and Crowley would have to be up there with the least physically imposing ABs of all time.
@rancid-schnitzel said in Ireland Vs All Blacks:
I'm not sure if they all played together on the same team, but Deans, Fox, McCahill, Wright and Crowley would have to be up there with the least physically imposing ABs of all time.
Deans no - but Fox McCahill and Wright were all in the run on team that were outclassed by Oz in the 91 RWC semi in Dublin.
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@rancid-schnitzel said in Ireland Vs All Blacks:
I'm not sure if they all played together on the same team, but Deans, Fox, McCahill, Wright and Crowley would have to be up there with the least physically imposing ABs of all time.
Deans no - but Fox McCahill and Wright were all in the run on team that were outclassed by Oz in the 91 RWC semi in Dublin.
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@bovidae how did I not type "Crowley". It was in my head - old age.
Yeah Timu had gone well against Italy but Grizz / Hart decided the better option was a jet lagged no pace Crowley
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Bernie McCahill wasn't really that small for the era, ourother 12s around that time were Schuster and Taylor and they were all a similar size. Edit: I forgot Little ... who was actually in the team.
