England vs All Blacks
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@nepia But, Razor needs to play your Hawkes Bay boy Israel on the right - at least initially.
I think we will see Will Jordan there too - and he may prove the answer to all questions!
@chris-b said in England vs All Blacks:
@nepia But, Razor needs to play your Hawkes Bay boy Israel on the right - at least initially.
I think we will see Will Jordan there too - and he may prove the answer to all questions!
If Will Jordan is the answer I think we might be asking the wrong question...
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The selectors are sort of being squeezed by the fact we have a bunch of options at 10,12,13 and 15. And one winger.
So it kind of does feel a little like the 99 scenario of trying to find a place for all our best players. But at least this time everyone is being played in their best spot.
So while i would much much prefer to have DMac off the bench with 20 to go, right now it probably suits us best to have him starting. Add in that Barrett is basically guaranteed 80 minutes, and that means it's Mounga that misses out, and it's not like he isn't making every post a winner as well.
The case could be made for starting Barrett at 15, but i am less sure of that after watching him "defend" the English openside on the weekend.
Or we buck all conventional wisdom and have a 4-4 bench split...
@mariner4life said in England vs All Blacks:
Or we buck all conventional wisdom and have a 4-4 bench split...
Or do a Cheika and name 24
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Comedy gold from Comical Eddie
England providing ‘public service’ to other nations, says Eddie Jones
• Comments come after Gary Graham switched to Scotland
• ‘We are providing players to Scotland, Wales, Ireland’Scotland, Ireland and Wales should be grateful to England for supplying them with ready-made Test players, according to Eddie Jones, following the decision of the Newcastle flanker Gary Graham to abandon his quest for a red rose cap and instead pursue an international career north of Hadrian’s Wall.
The Stirling-born Graham trained with England earlier this year and came close to featuring in last season’s Six Nations but has now declared for the land of his father George, who won 25 caps for Scotland between 1997 and 2002.
Jones believes it is merely the latest example of English rugby doing Scotland and other neighbouring countries a good turn. “I think England should be proud of what they do, providing players for Scotland, Wales, Ireland and whoever else. Is it a public service? Yeah, 100%.”
@victor-meldrew said in England vs All Blacks:
Comedy gold from Comical Eddie
England providing ‘public service’ to other nations, says Eddie Jones
• Comments come after Gary Graham switched to Scotland
• ‘We are providing players to Scotland, Wales, Ireland’Scotland, Ireland and Wales should be grateful to England for supplying them with ready-made Test players, according to Eddie Jones, following the decision of the Newcastle flanker Gary Graham to abandon his quest for a red rose cap and instead pursue an international career north of Hadrian’s Wall.
The Stirling-born Graham trained with England earlier this year and came close to featuring in last season’s Six Nations but has now declared for the land of his father George, who won 25 caps for Scotland between 1997 and 2002.
Jones believes it is merely the latest example of English rugby doing Scotland and other neighbouring countries a good turn. “I think England should be proud of what they do, providing players for Scotland, Wales, Ireland and whoever else. Is it a public service? Yeah, 100%.”
Reciprocated by the Ospreys teaching Underhill how to put in a MOTM performance
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Anyone watch The 1014 on the England - AB game?
Very good so always with some interesting stuff.
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I posted it in the up thread, very cool as always.
@machpants ah I was out of the office that day...doing, er, that work stuff.
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@pakman said in England vs All Blacks:
@stargazer said in England vs All Blacks:
Amazing that there was a big article in today's Times (London) that offside adjudged when half touches ball. It stated that at that point Lawes was onside. Then Ofa steps forward (but articles says too late to matter). The above implies that so long as Ofa's foot outstretched before TJP picked up the ball Lawes was obliged to back-peddle, which he did not. In other words Ofa's step was decisive?
Immediately wrong. When the halfback lifts the ball.
@booboo said in England vs All Blacks:
@pakman said in England vs All Blacks:
@stargazer said in England vs All Blacks:
Amazing that there was a big article in today's Times (London) that offside adjudged when half touches ball. It stated that at that point Lawes was onside. Then Ofa steps forward (but articles says too late to matter). The above implies that so long as Ofa's foot outstretched before TJP picked up the ball Lawes was obliged to back-peddle, which he did not. In other words Ofa's step was decisive?
Immediately wrong. When the halfback lifts the ball.
Yes, I was amazed a chunky article in the 'quality' press would be constructed around an incorrect understanding of the laws.
The other point is that if Ofa hadn't stepped forward Lawes would have been onside when TJP picked up the ball. Small margins.
And appalling ball protection by ABs.
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@booboo said in England vs All Blacks:
@pakman said in England vs All Blacks:
@stargazer said in England vs All Blacks:
Amazing that there was a big article in today's Times (London) that offside adjudged when half touches ball. It stated that at that point Lawes was onside. Then Ofa steps forward (but articles says too late to matter). The above implies that so long as Ofa's foot outstretched before TJP picked up the ball Lawes was obliged to back-peddle, which he did not. In other words Ofa's step was decisive?
Immediately wrong. When the halfback lifts the ball.
Yes, I was amazed a chunky article in the 'quality' press would be constructed around an incorrect understanding of the laws.
The other point is that if Ofa hadn't stepped forward Lawes would have been onside when TJP picked up the ball. Small margins.
And appalling ball protection by ABs.
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@pakman I think there was an English player that was part of the tackle too, which meant he needed to be behind him, not Ofa.
@taniwharugby said in England vs All Blacks:
@pakman I think there was an English player that was part of the tackle too, which meant he needed to be behind him, not Ofa.
Are you talking about the guy in front of Ofa that he makes contact with? Thats after the step that @pakman is talking about
Ignore the gridlines in this video, they are silly (like the lines on some static images earlier in this thread). However you can see the sequence clearly from this angle. Lawes is onside initially, Ofa's step moves the offside line and he's offside a couple of frames before TJ has the ball.
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@taniwharugby said in England vs All Blacks:
@pakman I think there was an English player that was part of the tackle too, which meant he needed to be behind him, not Ofa.
Are you talking about the guy in front of Ofa that he makes contact with? Thats after the step that @pakman is talking about
Ignore the gridlines in this video, they are silly (like the lines on some static images earlier in this thread). However you can see the sequence clearly from this angle. Lawes is onside initially, Ofa's step moves the offside line and he's offside a couple of frames before TJ has the ball.
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With Lawes' right foot being off the ground he is simply pushing the boundary by timing a step. He took a risk that his teammates weren't going to take (note how they are deliberately keep back from the moving tackle area).
He got caught out by Ofa's foot.As has been pointed out by others on the day, there was another offside player as well, but he wasn't material to the play afterward (I think).
It was a desperate calculated act that he nearly pulled off. Given that you actually have to freeze frame to find the moment when the offside line changes before the ball is off the ground it looks to be a much closer thing than I had thought.
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With Lawes' right foot being off the ground he is simply pushing the boundary by timing a step. He took a risk that his teammates weren't going to take (note how they are deliberately keep back from the moving tackle area).
He got caught out by Ofa's foot.As has been pointed out by others on the day, there was another offside player as well, but he wasn't material to the play afterward (I think).
It was a desperate calculated act that he nearly pulled off. Given that you actually have to freeze frame to find the moment when the offside line changes before the ball is off the ground it looks to be a much closer thing than I had thought.
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@pakman said in England vs All Blacks:
@crucial Still six of the best from Shag for blockers, if you can call them that.
Yeah, there are two ways by which you can give your HB room. One is with outriggers to make the path around long. The other is by making the tackle area long enough. They went for the latter and only just achieved it. I have to admit that, although it is consistent with rucks and scrums, Todd's 'bind' is tenuous.
The other question is 'why the fuck is TJ box kicking anyway'. Everyone knows he has no right boot so will be facing the danger side for a chargedown (probably a pre game observation by Eddie to his forwards). Also, box kick is only going to handing England the ball for another crack. Surely holding possession until a gap appears for a deep kick is a better option?
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@rocky-rockbottom said in England vs All Blacks:
Look. That cheating guy in the black jersey is offside!
@crucial said in England vs All Blacks:
@rocky-rockbottom said in England vs All Blacks:
Look. That cheating guy in the black jersey is offside!
You're getting confused, it's his aura that's over the line
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So I went back and had a look at why we want to dump SBW from the greatest height possible, and I'm still struggling to work out exactly what he did wrong.
Apparently you're a either a fluffer or a hater, you can't apparently be a neutral observer of Dubs. I don't count myself as a SBW fluffer but will no doubt be accused of being one because I'm essentially defending him after reviewing the actual evidence.
Anyway my observations are as follows:
- 01:50 Defensive switch as discussed ad nauseum above. Does look to be within the team pattern, as a number of players switch at once. Further Ioane looked to have been sucked too far off his wing (appears Nigel Yalden agrees with me from what I heard yesterday)
- 05:43 Joins two man tackle on Te'o (BB goes low, SBW high). Tackle ends up dominant.
- 10:52 Hit up after getting flat foot ball following confusion as to who was receiving. Ball slow and loopy over Franks's head. Zero metres but presents well and possession retained
- 11:14 Punches half gap through double tackle and left handed offload to Ioane to make break
- 13:40 Chases BB kick. Scares Farrell into falling over (who passes as he does so)
- 14:45 Drops pass from BB (backwards) under advantage. (Ref eventually goes back to scrum.)
- 17:15 Joins clean out at ruck (doesn't clear anyone but ball won)
- 17:42 Straightens backline move which was crabbing sideways (BB). Frees arms for offload: noone to pass to. Makes ground, reaching advantage line. Presents ball ruck won
- 20:45 Grubber for Ioane. Seemed to be part of plan. Took ball to line to commit defenders but angle not wide enough and covered by England
- 21:20 Chases grubber by AS. Pulls out of contest to allow Ioane to contest (who also does well to stay on feet and not concede penalty
- 25:42 Has minor effect moving up midfield to cut off potential counter attack following BB's missed penalty for touch
- 26:57 Aerial contest from 22m drop-out. Knock-on as barged in air before ball arrives. (Ball may even have been propelled backwards)
- 30:00 Leaves field
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So that is essentially two errors (dropped pass, slightly poorly executed grubber).
And otherwise doing what you expect him to do.
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@booboo he should set up a try with a spectacular off load with every touch, while carrying the English forwards on his back.
@taniwharugby said in England vs All Blacks:
@booboo he should set up a try with a spectacular off load with every touch, while carrying the English forwards on his back.
Or just do something? Get involved?
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@taniwharugby said in England vs All Blacks:
@booboo he should set up a try with a spectacular off load with every touch, while carrying the English forwards on his back.
Or just do something? Get involved?
@snowy said in England vs All Blacks:
@taniwharugby said in England vs All Blacks:
@booboo he should set up a try with a spectacular off load with every touch, while carrying the English forwards on his back.
Or just do something? Get involved?
So given the choice of chase the ball and be a glory hog to satisfy some internet warrior's expectation of your superhuman abilities, or stay in the pattern the coaches have instructed you to ...
