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<blockquote class='ipsBlockquote' data-author="Tim" data-cid="441750" data-time="1406162529">Started watching Utopia. Three episodes into season one and I am hooked.</blockquote>
 
So usually I see a post of Tim's and know if it's music, movies or TV it won't be my cup of tea. My tastes aren't as obtuse as his. However I thought I'd take a look at this and yep, 5 minutes in I'm thinking, " I can see why Tim likes this". 
 
I'll give it the requisite 2 eps to see if it grabs me though.

Nepia

<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="gollum" data-cid="442141" data-time="1406368236">
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Bollocks, Shane Black had 3 disasters in a row then KKBB, then he was dead in Hollywood, he didn't take a break, Hollywood stopped taking his calls - 
 
<a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://www.esquire.com/blogs/culture/redemption-of-shane-black'>http://www.esquire.com/blogs/culture/redemption-of-shane-black</a>
 
"Cue screeching brakes. Blamed for those last two expensive bombs, Black, whose screenplays once triggered frenzied bidding wars, suddenly found his phone calls went unreturned.
As Black's career stalled out, Downey tore through a couple dozen post-Chaplin movies while cultivating a nasty cocaine habit that landed him in prison.
In 2005, Black scraped up backing from his Lethal Weapon consigliore Joel Silver to make a sly noir thriller called Kiss Kiss Bang Bang. Downey had served his time and was ready to work, but mainstream filmmakers steered clear. "
 
While Spacey pre Old Vic did 3 trainwreck films, and then had 10 years doing cameos. So yeah... I'm sure the decision to go to the old Vic had nothing to do with him no longer getting the leads he wanted.
 
At least we've moved on from the idea that comedy acting is the same as dramatic acting & I can stop contemplating Paul Rudd & Tracey Morgan in True Detective 3
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'We' haven't moved on from anything, I didn't say that comedy acting is the same as dramatic acting, however, I can appreciate good acting whether it's in a comedy or a drama. 
 
As for Black, his last script before Kiss Kiss Bang Bang was in 1998, so I'm unsure why you consider what I wrote to be bollocks.

mariner4life

Not sure if you guys have heard of it, but the missus and i have started watching this small, relatively obscure show called Game of Thrones. I really like the main character Ned Stark, and i look forward to sharing his journey over the next 4 seasons.

mariner4life

wait, are we seriously discussing the acting chops of twice oscar nominated Woody Harrelson?

Crucial

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Not sure if you guys have heard of it, but the missus and i have started watching this small, relatively obscure show called Game of Thrones. I really like the main character Ned Stark, and i look forward to sharing his journey over the next 4 seasons.
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Mods, please check this. It seems like old posts are reposting themselves after a few years.

mariner4life

<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="Crucial" data-cid="442426" data-time="1406505491">
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Mods, please check this. It seems like old posts are reposting themselves after a few years.
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haha yea, i am nothing if not up with the times...
 
I watched the first 3 episodes of season 1 for the 3rd time over the weekend. it's nice to progess the story finally. The problem with watching it so soon after finishing the books is i find myself less paying attention to the show, and more looking forward to the cool stuff coming up. 
 
The missus knows nothing about it though, and she thinks it's excellent. All she knows is lots of people die, so she's placing bets on who makes it.

Milk

My wife and I recently started GoT too. I'm enjoying it, but she mainly watches through her hands, asking when she can look again. Same way we watch Walking Dead.

gollum

<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="mariner4life" data-cid="442425" data-time="1406505475">
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wait, are we seriously discussing the acting chops of twice oscar nominated Woody Harrelson?
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Not really, we're discussing the way that TD took actors who are great actors, but who haven't done much of note lately & cast them & people had largely forgotton how fucking grreat they were. So it becomes one of those "wow that was a great call!" casting things, when in hindsight you could think "well d'uh!". Recent TV has done that a lot.
 
Bear in mind Woody & McC have been on screen twice together - in <strike>awards nominated</strike> Ed TV & Surfer Dude....
 
Hence me saying a guy like Ed Norton would be an obvious one for TD2. Or Nic Cage. He's done so many terrible roles in the last 10 years, its easy to forget he was an astoundingly good actor.
 
Contrast that with someone like Daniel Day Lewis who just does an oscar winnng turn every 5 years without doing the stupid rom com, the slasher & voice of the annimated squirrel movie in between.
 
To be honest I really didn't think it was that controversial....

taniwharugby

Finished S2 of Longmire - quite enjoyed it, think it took a step up from S1, and finished pretty well!! Also enjoying the fact they you are learning slowly more about the characters too.

Crucial

Starting next weekend in the US, Manhattan.
Set around the Manhattan Project at Los Alomos. Good pedigree of show runner and director.

gollum

Is anyone being "forced" to watch Girls?
 
I've actually really enjoyed it. Unlike being forced to watch sex in city which was abysmal.
 
The only real downside is Lena Durham is nakid a lot. Which is horrific. Its actually a pretty good one to watch with the missus as the women (excluding Durham) are hot & the guys are weird looking & kind of losers. Although given Durham is the star your missus may take it as a greenlight for getting massively fat.

jegga

I've watched bits and pieces of it, the first time I saw it one of the hotter chicks got nailed by some skinny dude and he gave her a pearl necklace at the end. After that initial promise the other snippets I saw appalled me, if I wanted to listen to whining self absorbed cows I'd hangout with my younger sister and her friends.
Cheers for the heads up about about Dunham nudity, I'm still getting over seeing Kathy bates in about Schmitt. On screen nudity should be the sole preserve of attractive women , theres no wriggle room on this.

mariner4life

You're overcompensating George

Nepia

I like Girls, I'd rather not see Lena Dunham naked but I got to see the bird from Roswell topless so that's a bonus.
 
 
 
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Not really, we're discussing the way that TD took actors who are great actors, but who haven't done much of note lately & cast them & people had largely forgotton how fucking grreat they were. So it becomes one of those "wow that was a great call!" casting things, when in hindsight you could think "well d'uh!". Recent TV has done that a lot.
 
Bear in mind Woody & McC have been on screen twice together - in <strike>awards nominated</strike> Ed TV & Surfer Dude....
 
Hence me saying a guy like Ed Norton would be an obvious one for TD2. Or Nic Cage. He's done so many terrible roles in the last 10 years, its easy to forget he was an astoundingly good actor.
 
Contrast that with someone like Daniel Day Lewis who just does an oscar winnng turn every 5 years without doing the stupid rom com, the slasher & voice of the annimated squirrel movie in between.
 
To be honest I really didn't think it was that controversial....
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I don't think it's controversial to suggests putting actors who haven't been doing any great movies in the next series of True Detective to give them a career bump, but, Woody and McC don't really fit the bill - their work leading up to True Detective isn't bad as you're attempting to make out.
 
Woody had recently done 'dramatic' roles such as The Mesenger, Rampart, Seven Psychopaths as well as roles in big budget films like The Hunger Games and Now You See Me- he didn't need a a career bump. And, Zombieland was a great role, I don't know how anyone could consider it as part of a lull.
 
McC had already done more 'dramatic' roles in Mud and Dallas Buyers Club as well as Killer Joe, Wolf of Wall Street, Magic Mike and The Paper Boy before True Detective. You could actually argue that his renaissance started with The Lincoln Lawyer.

mariner4life

<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="Nepia" data-cid="442764" data-time="1406690957">
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I like Girls, I'd rather not see Lena Dunham naked but I got to see the bird from Roswell topless so that's a bonus.
 
 
 
I don't think it's controversial to suggests putting actors who haven't been doing any great movies in the next series of True Detective to give them a career bump, but, Woody and McC don't really fit the bill - their work leading up to True Detective isn't bad as you're attempting to make out.
 
Woody had recently done 'dramatic' roles such as The Mesenger, Rampart, Seven Psychopaths as well as roles in big budget films like The Hunger Games and Now You See Me- he didn't need a a career bump. And, Zombieland was a great role, I don't know how anyone could consider it as part of a lull.
 
McC had already done more 'dramatic' roles in Mud and Dallas Buyers Club as well as Killer Joe, Wolf of Wall Street, Magic Mike and The Paper Boy before True Detective. You could actually argue that his renaissance started with The Lincoln Lawyer.
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cracking movie.
 
his whole argument boils down to this line
 
<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote">Part of the enjoyment of TD was that the actors were delivering great performances that felt a bit like a surprise (McConahey was cast in that long before he delivered Dallas Buyers
 
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which most of us seem to think is bullshit. I wasn't surprised at all, both actors are pretty bloody well credentialed as far as i can see. In fact, it would be less a case of being surprised it was good, more i would have been surprised and disappointed if they had been bad.

gollum

<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="Nepia" data-cid="442764" data-time="1406690957">
<div> McC had already done more 'dramatic' roles in Mud and Dallas Buyers Club as well as Killer Joe, Wolf of Wall Street, Magic Mike and The Paper Boy before True Detective. You could actually argue that his renaissance started with The Lincoln Lawyer.
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I think this is where you & I misunderstand each other.
 
I'm saying the decison to cast MM in TD was a stretch because he hadn't knocked it out in dramatic roles. Which is countered by "But he won an Oscar for Dallas, and was great in Wolf, and even Mud!".
 
All of which hadn't been seen by the people casting TD, as they weren't even through post production at that time. So what they were casting on was Magic Mike, where he plays a stripper - and definately to a degree Killer Joe. Unless they had a time machine. Its like saying casting Jonah Hill in Moneyball was an easy call because look how good he is in Wolf of Wall Street.
 
Maybe its time to move on from this one....

Crucial

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yea, it's not too bad. It's pretty good through the middle. But i want to talk about the ending, so finish it!
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24.
 
So apart from all the massive plot holes, what did you want to discuss?
 
Talent2 sure could have done with a few of the computer nerds in their employ when they created the dud called Novopay. 100s of millions of $ worth of time and effort seems to be able to be coded in seconds if you can talk and tap a keyboard at the same time.

mariner4life

It's 24, i ignore gaping plot holes (but which ones are you specifically talking about?)
 
[spoiler]Another cop out ending you reckon? The last one finished with Jack running off into exile. Was a great ending. 
Now they've gone "ok, maybe one more" and they finish it with him in chopper heading for russia? WTF? This ending felt like a massive cop out. 
Also, why bring AUdrey back just to fucking kill her off? 
Why do the writers hate Jack so much?[/spoiler]

Crucial

<blockquote class='ipsBlockquote' data-author="mariner4life" data-cid="442862" data-time="1406781909">It's 24, i ignore gaping plot holes (but which ones are you specifically talking about?) 
 
[spoiler]Another cop out ending you reckon? The last one finished with Jack running off into exile. Was a great ending. 
 
Now they've gone "ok, maybe one more" and they finish it with him in chopper heading for russia? WTF? This ending felt like a massive cop out. 
 
Also, why bring AUdrey back just to fucking kill her off? 
 
Why do the writers hate Jack so much?[/spoiler]</blockquote>
 
[spoiler] it cracked me up how they dealt with a 12 episode "24" by jumping from 11h50m to 23h50m. 
I think the Audrey part was so Jack had nothing left to live for except helping Chloe. The bit I didn't quite get was if the idea that everything that happened was all about the Russians drawing Jack out to catch him. 
Maybe in the original script they had him dying to save the world but the ratings were OK, so they left it open [/spoiler]

mooshld

Just did a google image search to see this swamp monster you boys are talking about. Lena Dunham. 
 
Umm you are all a bunch of liers I suspect I would need a crowbar to get you off of her.
 
Mind you I only saw the red carpet photos, at work so avoided anything more risque, but baring her packing meat and two vege I can't see a major issue there? Is she gobby or something?

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