Has Hansen gone stale?
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I think the coaches were keeping the powder dry. Then it fucking rained in Ireland. Every knows it rains in Ireland. What we needed was a better quality tarpaulin.
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@nepia said in Has Hansen gone stale?:
@mariner4life said in Has Hansen gone stale?:
@nepia said in Has Hansen gone stale?:
@mariner4life said in Has Hansen gone stale?:
That's a decent amount of evidence that things aren't going perfect, yet i see very little evidence of any changes in thinking.
Due to his record, I'm willing to give Hansen enough rope and believe his comments to think that 'changes in thinking' may actually be contributing to this years results.
I'll be there waiting with the rope if it all goes pear shaped next year though.
2014/15 is giving Stevo a heap of rope isn't it? So lets hope behind closed doors he does know what he's doing.
I still fucking hate playing shit rugby in pursuit of some future goal. A 3rd World Cup means less to me than putting teams back in their box.
I guess for me, living through that late 90s early 00s era I've never got back to we should win every match by right so the losses don't hurt as much as they use to, I didn't even break anything at the final whistle. Don't get me wrong, as good as Hansen has been he's still the guy who let Ireland bust through the door and get their first wins so he's at least looking at 5 years hard labour when he steps down.
It depends what stage of life you are at I think. Like you, the early 00s era, the longer we went not winning the RWC, there was a time when I lived and died on each game. That culminated with our shock loss in 2007 and led me to the Fern (thank goodness!!). Once we won in 2011, it felt like that moment the character from Fever Pitch (Nick Hornby) experienced, when Arsenal finally won a title all of his angst flew away. 2015 was an even bigger hit, we have truly been spoiled over the last 7 years. There are some fans out there who have no idea what it was like losing in cruel and excruciating ways to Gregan/Larkham/Eales, and choking like dogs at RWCs 1995, 1999, 2003 and 2007
@canefan said in Has Hansen gone stale?:
@nepia said in Has Hansen gone stale?:
@mariner4life said in Has Hansen gone stale?:
@nepia said in Has Hansen gone stale?:
@mariner4life said in Has Hansen gone stale?:
That's a decent amount of evidence that things aren't going perfect, yet i see very little evidence of any changes in thinking.
Due to his record, I'm willing to give Hansen enough rope and believe his comments to think that 'changes in thinking' may actually be contributing to this years results.
I'll be there waiting with the rope if it all goes pear shaped next year though.
2014/15 is giving Stevo a heap of rope isn't it? So lets hope behind closed doors he does know what he's doing.
I still fucking hate playing shit rugby in pursuit of some future goal. A 3rd World Cup means less to me than putting teams back in their box.
I guess for me, living through that late 90s early 00s era I've never got back to we should win every match by right so the losses don't hurt as much as they use to, I didn't even break anything at the final whistle. Don't get me wrong, as good as Hansen has been he's still the guy who let Ireland bust through the door and get their first wins so he's at least looking at 5 years hard labour when he steps down.
It depends what stage of life you are at I think. Like you, the early 00s era, the longer we went not winning the RWC, there was a time when I lived and died on each game. That culminated with our shock loss in 2007 and led me to the Fern (thank goodness!!). Once we won in 2011, it felt like that moment the character from Fever Pitch (Nick Hornby) experienced, when Arsenal finally won a title all of his angst flew away. 2015 was an even bigger hit, we have truly been spoiled over the last 7 years. There are some fans out there who have no idea what it was like losing in cruel and excruciating ways to Gregan/Larkham/Eales, and choking like dogs at RWCs 1995, 1999, 2003 and 2007
At least you fuckers got to challenge for the title every four years!
Six fucking years and counting, I say, Six!!!
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@mariner4life Can you imagine trying to explain those years to kids nowadays.
Well, poppets, we had some rough times. The Wallabies were on top of the world. Locks kicked. Richie cried. Anton couldn't count. The French routed us. John was on a journey...@mokey said in Has Hansen gone stale?:
@mariner4life Can you imagine trying to explain those years to kids nowadays.
Well, poppets, we had some rough times. The Wallabies were on top of the world. Locks kicked. Richie cried. Anton couldn't count. The French routed us. John was on a journey...Has someone still got that Gorgeous Grogan post as he rode into the sunset...?
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@taniwharugby 3 man scrums
@dogmeat said in Has Hansen gone stale?:
3 man scrums
Classic example of smart thinking - something seemingly lacking in the last 4-5 AB games
Used with great effect to nullify opposing teams scrum power and give quick ball to the backline. Helped us win against the '77 BIL Lions
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@mariner4life Can you imagine trying to explain those years to kids nowadays.
Well, poppets, we had some rough times. The Wallabies were on top of the world. Locks kicked. Richie cried. Anton couldn't count. The French routed us. John was on a journey...@mokey said in Has Hansen gone stale?:
@mariner4life Can you imagine trying to explain those years to kids nowadays.
Well, poppets, we had some rough times. The Wallabies were on top of the world. Locks kicked. Richie cried. Anton couldn't count. The French routed us. John was on a journey...You missed out Wayne Barnes and forward passes. Other than that, great post.:smiling_face_with_sunglasses:
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@mariner4life said in Has Hansen gone stale?:
@taniwharugby said in Has Hansen gone stale?:
so, if we do retain the RWC, are we happy with this loss to get it?
Do we want our unblemished record v Ireland back or a 3-peat? Think I'd take the former TBH...not sure us winning 3 RWC's in a row does the game or tournament any favours.
i want to win everything, all the time, while at the same developing an entire squad of test quality players, and new innovative rugby
Is that too much to ask?
Sir I think that is a very reasonable request. No players to be lost in their prime to Northern Hemisphere clubs. A seamless transition from older players to the next generation.
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@nepia said in Has Hansen gone stale?:
@mariner4life said in Has Hansen gone stale?:
@nepia said in Has Hansen gone stale?:
@mariner4life said in Has Hansen gone stale?:
That's a decent amount of evidence that things aren't going perfect, yet i see very little evidence of any changes in thinking.
Due to his record, I'm willing to give Hansen enough rope and believe his comments to think that 'changes in thinking' may actually be contributing to this years results.
I'll be there waiting with the rope if it all goes pear shaped next year though.
2014/15 is giving Stevo a heap of rope isn't it? So lets hope behind closed doors he does know what he's doing.
I still fucking hate playing shit rugby in pursuit of some future goal. A 3rd World Cup means less to me than putting teams back in their box.
I guess for me, living through that late 90s early 00s era I've never got back to we should win every match by right so the losses don't hurt as much as they use to, I didn't even break anything at the final whistle. Don't get me wrong, as good as Hansen has been he's still the guy who let Ireland bust through the door and get their first wins so he's at least looking at 5 years hard labour when he steps down.
It depends what stage of life you are at I think. Like you, the early 00s era, the longer we went not winning the RWC, there was a time when I lived and died on each game. That culminated with our shock loss in 2007 and led me to the Fern (thank goodness!!). Once we won in 2011, it felt like that moment the character from Fever Pitch (Nick Hornby) experienced, when Arsenal finally won a title all of his angst flew away. 2015 was an even bigger hit, we have truly been spoiled over the last 7 years. There are some fans out there who have no idea what it was like losing in cruel and excruciating ways to Gregan/Larkham/Eales, and choking like dogs at RWCs 1995, 1999, 2003 and 2007
@canefan said in Has Hansen gone stale?:
There are some fans out there who have no idea what it was like losing in cruel and excruciating ways to Gregan/Larkham/Eales, and choking like dogs at RWCs 1995, 1999, 2003 and 2007The RWC losses were tolerable if only because in the preceeding cycle the focus wasn't solely on the RWC. The cycles before '99 and '07 had two of the best AB teams I have seen - Lions series, Grand Slams, the Bok tour. The cycle between '99 and '03 possibly had more memorable games and drama than any other.
2011 would have been gutting because it felt as though it was 'RWC or bust' from the moment Henry was reappointed. Aside from some glimmers in 2010 the entire cycle was pretty uninspired IMO.
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@taniwharugby said in Has Hansen gone stale?:
further on Hansen, he has said he will be making an announcement on his future in the next 4 weeks or so....
I hope Schmidt calls in the removalists immediately after that announcement.
@antipodean said in Has Hansen gone stale?:
@taniwharugby said in Has Hansen gone stale?:
further on Hansen, he has said he will be making an announcement on his future in the next 4 weeks or so....
I hope Schmidt calls in the removalists immediately after that announcement.
Funnily enough, he bought a house around the corner from me. Don't know if thats of any help...
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@canefan said in Has Hansen gone stale?:
There are some fans out there who have no idea what it was like losing in cruel and excruciating ways to Gregan/Larkham/Eales, and choking like dogs at RWCs 1995, 1999, 2003 and 2007The RWC losses were tolerable if only because in the preceeding cycle the focus wasn't solely on the RWC. The cycles before '99 and '07 had two of the best AB teams I have seen - Lions series, Grand Slams, the Bok tour. The cycle between '99 and '03 possibly had more memorable games and drama than any other.
2011 would have been gutting because it felt as though it was 'RWC or bust' from the moment Henry was reappointed. Aside from some glimmers in 2010 the entire cycle was pretty uninspired IMO.
@rotated we didn't choke in 1995. We lost in a tight match is all.
I dislike the idea that any team that loses must have "choked". Someone literally has to lose. Sometimes they play well and lose.
It used to piss me off that South Africans would accuse all NZers of choking based on three poor RWC runs, meanwhile ignoring that their teams were absolute babies about playing away from home. We were apparently both natural chokers and dominant with our provincial teams in any finals.
The best bit of winning those two cups, and particularly the one away from home, is that has died. Not the bit about how we blew it those times, because the ABs did, but how it was blown up to be the natural order -- even as we were increasingly dominant in the sport.
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@taniwharugby 3 man scrums
@dogmeat said in Has Hansen gone stale?:
@taniwharugby 3 man scrums
Showing your age there! I vaguely remember snippets of the '77 Lions (Going's and Batty's tries in test 1, and Knight's winner in 4) but my childhood memory doesn't extend to 3 man scrums, only reading about it.
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@mariner4life Can you imagine trying to explain those years to kids nowadays.
Well, poppets, we had some rough times. The Wallabies were on top of the world. Locks kicked. Richie cried. Anton couldn't count. The French routed us. John was on a journey...@mokey said in Has Hansen gone stale?:
@mariner4life Can you imagine trying to explain those years to kids nowadays.
Well, poppets, we had some rough times. The Wallabies were on top of the world. Locks kicked. Richie cried. Anton couldn't count. The French routed us. John was on a journey...Fucking England were number 1 and won a RWC
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@mokey said in Has Hansen gone stale?:
@mariner4life Can you imagine trying to explain those years to kids nowadays.
Well, poppets, we had some rough times. The Wallabies were on top of the world. Locks kicked. Richie cried. Anton couldn't count. The French routed us. John was on a journey...Has someone still got that Gorgeous Grogan post as he rode into the sunset...?
@chris-b said in Has Hansen gone stale?:
@mokey said in Has Hansen gone stale?:
@mariner4life Can you imagine trying to explain those years to kids nowadays.
Well, poppets, we had some rough times. The Wallabies were on top of the world. Locks kicked. Richie cried. Anton couldn't count. The French routed us. John was on a journey...Has someone still got that Gorgeous Grogan post as he rode into the sunset...?
Oh yeah. I'm sure I've git it somewhere. I'll dig it out and post it when I can.
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@dogmeat said in Has Hansen gone stale?:
3 man scrums
Classic example of smart thinking - something seemingly lacking in the last 4-5 AB games
Used with great effect to nullify opposing teams scrum power and give quick ball to the backline. Helped us win against the '77 BIL Lions
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@dogmeat said in Has Hansen gone stale?:
@taniwharugby 3 man scrums
Showing your age there! I vaguely remember snippets of the '77 Lions (Going's and Batty's tries in test 1, and Knight's winner in 4) but my childhood memory doesn't extend to 3 man scrums, only reading about it.
@booboo said in Has Hansen gone stale?:
Showing your age there! I vaguely remember snippets of the '77 Lions (Going's and Batty's tries in test 1, and Knight's winner in 4) but my childhood memory doesn't extend to 3 man scrums, only reading about it.
Fullbacks wearing no.1 on their jerseys? Well before my time!
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There are players for whom my abiding memory of them will be they lost to Ireland. Even those that won RWCs.
This applies to the coaching staff too.
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@rotated we didn't choke in 1995. We lost in a tight match is all.
I dislike the idea that any team that loses must have "choked". Someone literally has to lose. Sometimes they play well and lose.
It used to piss me off that South Africans would accuse all NZers of choking based on three poor RWC runs, meanwhile ignoring that their teams were absolute babies about playing away from home. We were apparently both natural chokers and dominant with our provincial teams in any finals.
The best bit of winning those two cups, and particularly the one away from home, is that has died. Not the bit about how we blew it those times, because the ABs did, but how it was blown up to be the natural order -- even as we were increasingly dominant in the sport.
@chester-draws said in Has Hansen gone stale?:
@rotated we didn't choke in 1995. We lost in a tight match is all.
I dislike the idea that any team that loses must have "choked". Someone literally has to lose. Sometimes they play well and lose.
It used to piss me off that South Africans would accuse all NZers of choking based on three poor RWC runs, meanwhile ignoring that their teams were absolute babies about playing away from home. We were apparently both natural chokers and dominant with our provincial teams in any finals.
The best bit of winning those two cups, and particularly the one away from home, is that has died. Not the bit about how we blew it those times, because the ABs did, but how it was blown up to be the natural order -- even as we were increasingly dominant in the sport.
yea, the choke narrative was always kind of annoying
91 we were beaten by a better team trending up, while we were trending down (sounds familiar)
95 beaten by a narrative.
99 was a choke. A deadset choke.
03 completely out thought. Our plan wasn't good enough to beat their plan. Leon MacDonald's fault
07 Perfect storm of shit that could possibly go wrong in a rugby game, of which an element of choking played a part. Also Leon MacDonald's fault.We actually had the best team at 95 and 2007, and that's what hurt so much. But games aren't played on paper.
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@chester-draws said in Has Hansen gone stale?:
@rotated we didn't choke in 1995. We lost in a tight match is all.
I dislike the idea that any team that loses must have "choked". Someone literally has to lose. Sometimes they play well and lose.
It used to piss me off that South Africans would accuse all NZers of choking based on three poor RWC runs, meanwhile ignoring that their teams were absolute babies about playing away from home. We were apparently both natural chokers and dominant with our provincial teams in any finals.
The best bit of winning those two cups, and particularly the one away from home, is that has died. Not the bit about how we blew it those times, because the ABs did, but how it was blown up to be the natural order -- even as we were increasingly dominant in the sport.
yea, the choke narrative was always kind of annoying
91 we were beaten by a better team trending up, while we were trending down (sounds familiar)
95 beaten by a narrative.
99 was a choke. A deadset choke.
03 completely out thought. Our plan wasn't good enough to beat their plan. Leon MacDonald's fault
07 Perfect storm of shit that could possibly go wrong in a rugby game, of which an element of choking played a part. Also Leon MacDonald's fault.We actually had the best team at 95 and 2007, and that's what hurt so much. But games aren't played on paper.
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@mariner4life I'd like to add Jeff Wilson's fault to 1999.
@nepia said in Has Hansen gone stale?:
@mariner4life I'd like to add Jeff Wilson's fault to 1999.
No. You fucking can't. Alright?
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@nepia said in Has Hansen gone stale?:
@mariner4life I'd like to add Jeff Wilson's fault to 1999.
No. You fucking can't. Alright?
@mariner4life said in Has Hansen gone stale?:
@nepia said in Has Hansen gone stale?:
@mariner4life I'd like to add Jeff Wilson's fault to 1999.
No. You fucking can't. Alright?
@mariner4life said in Has Hansen gone stale?:
91 we were beaten by a better team trending up, while we were trending down (sounds familiar)
95 beaten by a narrative.Jeff Wilson's fault
99 was a choke. A deadset choke.
03 completely out thought. Our plan wasn't good enough to beat their plan. Leon MacDonald's fault
07 Perfect storm of shit that could possibly go wrong in a rugby game, of which an element of choking played a part. Also Leon MacDonald's fault.Too bad, I did.
