Italy vs All Blacks
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@no-quarter and as evidence for the prosecution, see his pathetic attempt to defend the English openside last weekend. Completely lost.
@mariner4life said in Italy vs All Blacks:
@no-quarter and as evidence for the prosecution, see his pathetic attempt to defend the English openside last weekend. Completely lost.
Haha, yes, that was a shocker. I do recall Dagg putting in some pretty meek efforts at tackling on more than one occasion, yet was still regarded highly. Beauden's cover defense is usually pretty good, he's saved our bacon on a number of other occasions due to his speed.
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@victor-meldrew said in Italy vs All Blacks:
@bovidae said in Italy vs All Blacks:
Hopefully an ALB-Goodhue midfield.
I'd like to see Mo'unga get a start. Don't think he a magic solution, but he needs some serious game-time with DMac and/or BB coming on as subs.
I'm really warming to the idea of BB at fullback, with BFA on the right wing. Not so much because I think Mo'unga has all the answers at 10 right now, but he's easily good enough and will continue to improve. That coupled with the fact that BB's skillset really suits fullback - very good under the high ball, decent kicking game, and pace to burn in space - makes me think we have far better balance to our backline with him there.
What I would select right now:
TJP
Mo'unga
Rieko
Crotty
Goodhue
BFA
BeaudenA Smith
ALB
DMacOn the halfbacks - I think TJP is more suited to the early exchanges, with A Smith coming on in the 2nd half to up the ante.
@no-quarter only thing there is that you're losing Mounga being able to take advantage of Smith's distribution.
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@mariner4life said in Italy vs All Blacks:
@no-quarter and as evidence for the prosecution, see his pathetic attempt to defend the English openside last weekend. Completely lost.
Haha, yes, that was a shocker. I do recall Dagg putting in some pretty meek efforts at tackling on more than one occasion, yet was still regarded highly. Beauden's cover defense is usually pretty good, he's saved our bacon on a number of other occasions due to his speed.
@no-quarter said in Italy vs All Blacks:
@mariner4life said in Italy vs All Blacks:
@no-quarter and as evidence for the prosecution, see his pathetic attempt to defend the English openside last weekend. Completely lost.
Haha, yes, that was a shocker. I do recall Dagg putting in some pretty meek efforts at tackling on more than one occasion, yet was still regarded highly. Beauden's cover defense is usually pretty good, he's saved our bacon on a number of other occasions due to his speed.
Dagg had some weaknesses but I can’t recall him being bamboozled like that. Dagg’s issue was more technique than anything else.
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@no-quarter said in Italy vs All Blacks:
@mariner4life said in Italy vs All Blacks:
@no-quarter and as evidence for the prosecution, see his pathetic attempt to defend the English openside last weekend. Completely lost.
Haha, yes, that was a shocker. I do recall Dagg putting in some pretty meek efforts at tackling on more than one occasion, yet was still regarded highly. Beauden's cover defense is usually pretty good, he's saved our bacon on a number of other occasions due to his speed.
Dagg had some weaknesses but I can’t recall him being bamboozled like that. Dagg’s issue was more technique than anything else.
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@act-crusader didn't someone go around him like he wasn't even there once? I'm thinking someone not known for their pace.
@bones said in Italy vs All Blacks:
@act-crusader didn't someone go around him like he wasn't even there once? I'm thinking someone not known for their pace.
He was done like a dinner on numerous occasions. Once someone went through, that was it.
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My take:
Karl T/Coles/Nepo/BBBR/Scott B/Papali'i/Fifita/Read/Nuggett/Mo'unga/ALB/Jack G/Rieko/Naholo/Giraffe
Bench -- Harris/Ofa/Angus T/Patty T/Ardie/TTT/BB/Laumape
@pakman said in Italy vs All Blacks:
My take:
Karl T/Coles/Nepo/BBBR/Scott B/Papali'i/Fifita/Read/Nuggett/Mo'unga/ALB/Jack G/Rieko/Naholo/Giraffe
Bench -- Harris/Ofa/Angus T/Patty T/Ardie/TTT/BB/Laumape
Tough on ALB (as I'd really prefer him to be in the mix ahead of Crotty going forward) but I also suspect we will see a Laumape/Goodhue combo on the midfield.
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@pakman said in Italy vs All Blacks:
My take:
Karl T/Coles/Nepo/BBBR/Scott B/Papali'i/Fifita/Read/Nuggett/Mo'unga/ALB/Jack G/Rieko/Naholo/Giraffe
Bench -- Harris/Ofa/Angus T/Patty T/Ardie/TTT/BB/Laumape
Tough on ALB (as I'd really prefer him to be in the mix ahead of Crotty going forward) but I also suspect we will see a Laumape/Goodhue combo on the midfield.
@crucial said in Italy vs All Blacks:
@pakman said in Italy vs All Blacks:
My take:
Karl T/Coles/Nepo/BBBR/Scott B/Papali'i/Fifita/Read/Nuggett/Mo'unga/ALB/Jack G/Rieko/Naholo/Giraffe
Bench -- Harris/Ofa/Angus T/Patty T/Ardie/TTT/BB/Laumape
Tough on ALB (as I'd really prefer him to be in the mix ahead of Crotty going forward) but I also suspect we will see a Laumape/Goodhue combo on the midfield.
I don't disagree, but I'd love to see how AS/RM/ALB/JG went!
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Finding it difficult to get interested in this game ,
After last week , it kinda has that flat feeling like when you have lost the semi in the WC and you are playing the next week for 3rd spot.
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I don't know about you guys but the last time I was this unexcited by an All Blacks test was the 2003 3rd/4th playoff.
@sparky said in Italy vs All Blacks:
I don't know about you guys but the last time I was this unexcited by an All Blacks test was the 2003 3rd/4th playoff.
The last three tests against Italy have all been pretty underwhelming in the lead up. Always the final or penultimate game of the tour, injury ravaged squads where the XV largely picks itself with no stakes (apart from not losing),
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Comparing the EOYT with a four-course meal ...
- The appetizer was good with some interesting new ingredients, but very light and not very filling. It tasted like more, much more.
- The entrée was pretty good, albeit a bit chewy. It made me look forward to the main course.
- That main course initially seemed interesting, but was ultimately not very tasty. The cook used great ingredients, but had chosen the wrong recipe and the execution of it was flawed; the meat was undercooked and the vegetables left a burnt aftertaste. Very disappointing.
- Is that how I want dinner to end? Dissatisfied and with an unpleasant taste in my mouth? Absolutely not! Come on with that dessert and may the gelato be sweet; very sweet!
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Comparing the EOYT with a four-course meal ...
- The appetizer was good with some interesting new ingredients, but very light and not very filling. It tasted like more, much more.
- The entrée was pretty good, albeit a bit chewy. It made me look forward to the main course.
- That main course initially seemed interesting, but was ultimately not very tasty. The cook used great ingredients, but had chosen the wrong recipe and the execution of it was flawed; the meat was undercooked and the vegetables left a burnt aftertaste. Very disappointing.
- Is that how I want dinner to end? Dissatisfied and with an unpleasant taste in my mouth? Absolutely not! Come on with that dessert and may the gelato be sweet; very sweet!
@stargazer said in Italy vs All Blacks:
Comparing the EOYT with a four-course meal ...
- The appetizer was good with some interesting new ingredients, but very light and not very filling. It tasted like more, much more.
- The entrée was pretty good, albeit a bit chewy. It made me look forward to the main course.
- That main course initially seemed interesting, but was ultimately not very tasty. The cook used great ingredients, but had chosen the wrong recipe and the execution of it was flawed; the meat was undercooked and the vegetables left a burnt aftertaste. Very disappointing.
- Is that how I want dinner to end? Dissatisfied and with an unpleasant taste in my mouth? Absolutely not! Come on with that dessert and may the gelato be sweet; very sweet!
don't forget we started with pre-dinner drinks, where we all got to have our favourites, but no one had anything new.
This place isn't renowned for its dessert though, so i am not holding out hope
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@stargazer said in Italy vs All Blacks:
Comparing the EOYT with a four-course meal ...
- The appetizer was good with some interesting new ingredients, but very light and not very filling. It tasted like more, much more.
- The entrée was pretty good, albeit a bit chewy. It made me look forward to the main course.
- That main course initially seemed interesting, but was ultimately not very tasty. The cook used great ingredients, but had chosen the wrong recipe and the execution of it was flawed; the meat was undercooked and the vegetables left a burnt aftertaste. Very disappointing.
- Is that how I want dinner to end? Dissatisfied and with an unpleasant taste in my mouth? Absolutely not! Come on with that dessert and may the gelato be sweet; very sweet!
don't forget we started with pre-dinner drinks, where we all got to have our favourites, but no one had anything new.
This place isn't renowned for its dessert though, so i am not holding out hope
@mariner4life known for some decent alcohol, so we could just hang out at the bar after the meal!
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Damian McKenzie, Jordie Barrett, Anton Lienert-Brown, Ngani Laumape, Waisake Naholo, Beauden Barrett, TJ Perenara, Kieran Read (c), Ardie Savea, Vaea Fifita, Scott Barrett, Patrick Tuipulotu, Nepo Laulala, Dane Coles, Ofa Tuungafasi. Reserves: Nathan Harris, Karl Tu'inukuafe, Angua Ta'avao, Brodie Retallick, Dalton Papalii, Te Toiroa Tahuriorangi, Richie Mo'unga, Rieko Ioane.
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Damian McKenzie, Jordie Barrett, Anton Lienert-Brown, Ngani Laumape, Waisake Naholo, Beauden Barrett, TJ Perenara, Kieran Read (c), Ardie Savea, Vaea Fifita, Scott Barrett, Patrick Tuipulotu, Nepo Laulala, Dane Coles, Ofa Tuungafasi. Reserves: Nathan Harris, Karl Tu'inukuafe, Angua Ta'avao, Brodie Retallick, Dalton Papalii, Te Toiroa Tahuriorangi, Richie Mo'unga, Rieko Ioane.
@southernmann said in Italy vs All Blacks:
Damian McKenzie, Jordie Barrett, Anton Lienert-Brown, Ngani Laumape, Waisake Naholo, Beauden Barrett, TJ Perenara, Kieran Read (c), Ardie Savea, Vaea Fifita, Scott Barrett, Patrick Tuipulotu, Nepo Laulala, Dane Coles, Ofa Tuungafasi. Reserves: Nathan Harris, Karl Tu'inukuafe, Angua Ta'avao, Brodie Retallick, Dalton Papalii, Te Toiroa Tahuriorangi, Richie Mo'unga, Rieko Ioane.
Unbelievable arrogance, Richie should be starting at 10
Would have also started papali and TTT
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Damian McKenzie, Jordie Barrett, Anton Lienert-Brown, Ngani Laumape, Waisake Naholo, Beauden Barrett, TJ Perenara, Kieran Read (c), Ardie Savea, Vaea Fifita, Scott Barrett, Patrick Tuipulotu, Nepo Laulala, Dane Coles, Ofa Tuungafasi. Reserves: Nathan Harris, Karl Tu'inukuafe, Angua Ta'avao, Brodie Retallick, Dalton Papalii, Te Toiroa Tahuriorangi, Richie Mo'unga, Rieko Ioane.
@southernmann said in Italy vs All Blacks:
Damian McKenzie, Jordie Barrett, Anton Lienert-Brown, Ngani Laumape, Waisake Naholo, Beauden Barrett, TJ Perenara, Kieran Read (c), Ardie Savea, Vaea Fifita, Scott Barrett, Patrick Tuipulotu, Nepo Laulala, Dane Coles, Ofa Tuungafasi. Reserves: Nathan Harris, Karl Tu'inukuafe, Angua Ta'avao, Brodie Retallick, Dalton Papalii, Te Toiroa Tahuriorangi, Richie Mo'unga, Rieko Ioane.
Your pick or official?
I'd expect DMac to play on the wing and JB at 15?
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Are Italy still bad? Because that team should ruin them. Unless there's a another sporting event that has broken a century long curse and everyone's gone sight-seeing and celebrating.
