Has Hansen gone stale?
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@snowy Exactly. '95 wasn't one of the ones you choked away. The official explanation for that loss is poisoning.
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@smuts said in Has Hansen gone stale?:
@rotated Poorly constructed joke on the idea that the ABs choked (let alone like dogs) in 95 rather than got beaten by a team with the irresistible force of history (and Suzie) on its side, a superior pack and the one defence in the tournament that could keep the ABs tryless.
Ah I see the choking like dogs line was canefan’s contribution thus the confusion.
1999 is the only one I’d even begin to consider as a choke and even there it was more a case of the team being understimulated rather than overstimulated and freezing.
@rotated Listen, I got as much mileage out of the choking bit as anyone, but I'm not sure its fair on either the ABs or their opponents. I'd argue that 1999 game was just one of those miraculous things, where the French just suddenly remembered how to create space.
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@smuts said in Has Hansen gone stale?:
The official explanation for that loss is poisoning.
Really? Official by whom? Food poisoning, or getting sick from something you ate, doesn't have to be being deliberately "Suzied" was my point.
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@bovidae said in Has Hansen gone stale?:
The 1996 series win in SA more than made up for the disappointment of the 1995 RWC final.
These days it is easy to forget how difficult it was to win there. '96 was our 'Ireland' moment
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Hmmm. The ABs have lost to SA, Aus, Eng, Fra, Wales (60+ years ago), and now Ireland (who have also beaten everybody else recently). Probably forgotten someone but It is still quite an impressive record. Lions, mixed teams, etc, excluded.
I just preferred to be able to count them on one hand (Cantabs still can). Hansen has to wear that.
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My first real memories of watching the ABs and actually caring about the result was the 95 world cup. I remember being obsessed with Lomu and saving all of the newspaper articles about him, so have fond memories of that despite what happened in the final.
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@smuts said in Has Hansen gone stale?:
@rotated Poorly constructed joke on the idea that the ABs choked (let alone like dogs) in 95 rather than got beaten by a team with the irresistible force of history (and Suzie) on its side, a superior pack and the one defence in the tournament that could keep the ABs tryless.
Ah I see the choking like dogs line was canefan’s contribution thus the confusion.
1999 is the only one I’d even begin to consider as a choke and even there it was more a case of the team being understimulated rather than overstimulated and freezing.
@rotated said in Has Hansen gone stale?:
@smuts said in Has Hansen gone stale?:
@rotated Poorly constructed joke on the idea that the ABs choked (let alone like dogs) in 95 rather than got beaten by a team with the irresistible force of history (and Suzie) on its side, a superior pack and the one defence in the tournament that could keep the ABs tryless.
Ah I see the choking like dogs line was canefan’s contribution thus the confusion.
1999 is the only one I’d even begin to consider as a choke and even there it was more a case of the team being understimulated rather than overstimulated and freezing.
Oohhh. 2007 was THE choke for me. In terms of tournament favouritism. The others were at least understandable.
Sure 1999 was an in game choke (14 point up).
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Hmmm. The ABs have lost to SA, Aus, Eng, Fra, Wales (60+ years ago), and now Ireland (who have also beaten everybody else recently). Probably forgotten someone but It is still quite an impressive record. Lions, mixed teams, etc, excluded.
I just preferred to be able to count them on one hand (Cantabs still can). Hansen has to wear that.
@snowy said in Has Hansen gone stale?:
Hmmm. The ABs have lost to SA, Aus, Eng, Fra, Wales (60+ years ago), and now Ireland (who have also beaten everybody else recently). Probably forgotten someone but It is still quite an impressive record. Lions, mixed teams, etc, excluded.
I just preferred to be able to count them on one hand (Cantabs still can). Hansen has to wear that.
No you haven't. During the 2003 Centenary of All Black rugby NZ hosted tests from the FIVE indivudual nations that had beaten us. Ireland have become number 6.
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@rotated said in Has Hansen gone stale?:
@smuts said in Has Hansen gone stale?:
@rotated Poorly constructed joke on the idea that the ABs choked (let alone like dogs) in 95 rather than got beaten by a team with the irresistible force of history (and Suzie) on its side, a superior pack and the one defence in the tournament that could keep the ABs tryless.
Ah I see the choking like dogs line was canefan’s contribution thus the confusion.
1999 is the only one I’d even begin to consider as a choke and even there it was more a case of the team being understimulated rather than overstimulated and freezing.
Oohhh. 2007 was THE choke for me. In terms of tournament favouritism. The others were at least understandable.
Sure 1999 was an in game choke (14 point up).
@booboo said in Has Hansen gone stale?:
@rotated said in Has Hansen gone stale?:
@smuts said in Has Hansen gone stale?:
@rotated Poorly constructed joke on the idea that the ABs choked (let alone like dogs) in 95 rather than got beaten by a team with the irresistible force of history (and Suzie) on its side, a superior pack and the one defence in the tournament that could keep the ABs tryless.
Ah I see the choking like dogs line was canefan’s contribution thus the confusion.
1999 is the only one I’d even begin to consider as a choke and even there it was more a case of the team being understimulated rather than overstimulated and freezing.
Oohhh. 2007 was THE choke for me. In terms of tournament favouritism. The others were at least understandable.
Sure 1999 was an in game choke (14 point up).
Understand the "favourites" bit but what constitutes a choke? Having better skills but failing due to a mental breakdown?
Was in the stands for both of those mentioned.
1999 - our only real choke I reckon. Really thought we had it at half time, mentally switched off against a talented opposition, who switched on.
2007 was just a fucking joke. It wasn't a choke. Wayne Barnes was either incompetent (and shouldn't have been there), or a cheat. -
My first real memories of watching the ABs and actually caring about the result was the 95 world cup. I remember being obsessed with Lomu and saving all of the newspaper articles about him, so have fond memories of that despite what happened in the final.
@no-quarter said in Has Hansen gone stale?:
My first real memories of watching the ABs and actually caring about the result was the 95 world cup. I remember being obsessed with Lomu and saving all of the newspaper articles about him, so have fond memories of that despite what happened in the final.
We are probably a similar age. Didn’t feel like NZ lost that World Cup - mostly because of Lomu.
In hindsight it’s worth remembering we had won the America’s Cup a month earlier and the WRC thing was bubbling. So we were feeling pretty chipper about ourselves as a sporting nation and weren’t even sure there would be 4th RWC so there wasn’t too much to be upset about. Fond memories...
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@no-quarter said in Has Hansen gone stale?:
My first real memories of watching the ABs and actually caring about the result was the 95 world cup. I remember being obsessed with Lomu and saving all of the newspaper articles about him, so have fond memories of that despite what happened in the final.
We are probably a similar age. Didn’t feel like NZ lost that World Cup - mostly because of Lomu.
In hindsight it’s worth remembering we had won the America’s Cup a month earlier and the WRC thing was bubbling. So we were feeling pretty chipper about ourselves as a sporting nation and weren’t even sure there would be 4th RWC so there wasn’t too much to be upset about. Fond memories...
@rotated said in Has Hansen gone stale?:
@no-quarter said in Has Hansen gone stale?:
My first real memories of watching the ABs and actually caring about the result was the 95 world cup. I remember being obsessed with Lomu and saving all of the newspaper articles about him, so have fond memories of that despite what happened in the final.
We are probably a similar age. Didn’t feel like NZ lost that World Cup - mostly because of Lomu.
In hindsight it’s worth remembering we had won the America’s Cup a month earlier and the WRC thing was bubbling. So we were feeling pretty chipper about ourselves as a sporting nation and weren’t even sure there would be 4th RWC so there wasn’t too much to be upset about. Fond memories...
Que? Man that stung losing that. So so so fucking close.
Especially when we'd lost the previous one and just had to show the world we were the best and 91 was a mere blip.
I mean that was two on a row ...
Little did we know ...
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95 hurt Louis fucking Luyt saying the Springboks would have won in 87 and 91 I really wanted him to choke on his words.
He really was the ugly Afrikaaner. There was still a lot of that around from SA supporters so wanted a win to curb their bigoted boorish behaviour. and to smash it through their teeth for past injustices.
96 was REDEMPTION so got over 95 very quickly.
99 - had low expectations so wasn't overly disappointed. Did think Randell should have gone to the ref and said sort out the filth or I'm taking the biggest team in world rugby off the fieldand you will be forever remembered as the ref who lost control and ruined the world
cup03 we selected a shit team and then paid the penalty
07 total train wreck. Didn't get to enjoy Oz losing their QF. It was like hahahahahaha - oh fuck
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Give that man a gold watch.
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@booboo said in Has Hansen gone stale?:
@rotated said in Has Hansen gone stale?:
@smuts said in Has Hansen gone stale?:
@rotated Poorly constructed joke on the idea that the ABs choked (let alone like dogs) in 95 rather than got beaten by a team with the irresistible force of history (and Suzie) on its side, a superior pack and the one defence in the tournament that could keep the ABs tryless.
Ah I see the choking like dogs line was canefan’s contribution thus the confusion.
1999 is the only one I’d even begin to consider as a choke and even there it was more a case of the team being understimulated rather than overstimulated and freezing.
Oohhh. 2007 was THE choke for me. In terms of tournament favouritism. The others were at least understandable.
Sure 1999 was an in game choke (14 point up).
Understand the "favourites" bit but what constitutes a choke? Having better skills but failing due to a mental breakdown?
Was in the stands for both of those mentioned.
1999 - our only real choke I reckon. Really thought we had it at half time, mentally switched off against a talented opposition, who switched on.
2007 was just a fucking joke. It wasn't a choke. Wayne Barnes was either incompetent (and shouldn't have been there), or a cheat.@snowy said in Has Hansen gone stale?:
2007 was just a fucking joke. It wasn't a choke. Wayne Barnes was either incompetent (and shouldn't have been there), or a cheat.
I was at that game - it was like watching a train crash in slow motion with Barnes completely losing the plot and the AB's game management as dumb as I have seen. McCaw's captaincy was appalling that day.
The only plus side that day was meeting up with fellow ferner Parc de Prince (remember him?) for a beer before the game
On the plus side, that was probably the one game which transformed All Blacks thinking and led to wins in 2011 & 2015
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@snowy said in Has Hansen gone stale?:
2007 was just a fucking joke. It wasn't a choke. Wayne Barnes was either incompetent (and shouldn't have been there), or a cheat.
I was at that game - it was like watching a train crash in slow motion with Barnes completely losing the plot and the AB's game management as dumb as I have seen. McCaw's captaincy was appalling that day.
The only plus side that day was meeting up with fellow ferner Parc de Prince (remember him?) for a beer before the game
On the plus side, that was probably the one game which transformed All Blacks thinking and led to wins in 2011 & 2015
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@victor-meldrew Yeah. I was there too. Awful day, but it probably did change the way our team functioned. Sometimes you need to beat a ref too.
Yep I remember Parcy, good sense of humour. Any idea what happened to him?
@snowy said in Has Hansen gone stale?:
@victor-meldrew Yeah. I was there too. Awful day, but it probably did change the way our team functioned. Sometimes you need to beat a ref too.
Yep I remember Parcy, good sense of humour. Any idea what happened to him?
I still chat with him on FB. (Was asking him about the riots and a classic French response of "it will pass"
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@snowy said in Has Hansen gone stale?:
2007 was just a fucking joke. It wasn't a choke. Wayne Barnes was either incompetent (and shouldn't have been there), or a cheat.
I was at that game - it was like watching a train crash in slow motion with Barnes completely losing the plot and the AB's game management as dumb as I have seen. McCaw's captaincy was appalling that day.
The only plus side that day was meeting up with fellow ferner Parc de Prince (remember him?) for a beer before the game
On the plus side, that was probably the one game which transformed All Blacks thinking and led to wins in 2011 & 2015
@victor-meldrew The crazy thing about '07 was that the first half was maybe the best rugby I've ever seen played. The french weren't bad, but you were incredible. But the frogs stuck in it and the longer they did, the more the pressure built on the ABs and Barnes. But as @Snowy says, sometimes you have to beat the ref too (which is a lesson I wish the boks and my fellow fans would learn, particularly when we play you.) You could feel the crowd, the french and the ABs all thinking here we go again. So choke seems a fair assessment for that game.
What is wonderful for ABs fans is that the '15 final felt very, very similar. When Dusatoir scored, fans and even the frogs seemed to say to themselves: oh we're on this script again.
But McCaw and everyone's favourite fisherman refused to let 20 years of hurt weigh them down. I think it is easy to dismiss how much fortitude that showed.
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@victor-meldrew The crazy thing about '07 was that the first half was maybe the best rugby I've ever seen played. The french weren't bad, but you were incredible. But the frogs stuck in it and the longer they did, the more the pressure built on the ABs and Barnes. But as @Snowy says, sometimes you have to beat the ref too (which is a lesson I wish the boks and my fellow fans would learn, particularly when we play you.) You could feel the crowd, the french and the ABs all thinking here we go again. So choke seems a fair assessment for that game.
What is wonderful for ABs fans is that the '15 final felt very, very similar. When Dusatoir scored, fans and even the frogs seemed to say to themselves: oh we're on this script again.
But McCaw and everyone's favourite fisherman refused to let 20 years of hurt weigh them down. I think it is easy to dismiss how much fortitude that showed.
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@smuts 2011 you mean. That was a massive battle and a massive relief. 2015 was far more enjoyable
