Grace Millane
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@canefan Having a closed court session excluding the media and public would be a logical start. Any breaches of name suppression then could only be atttributable to lawyers, court staff, police etc.
If name suppression is denied then a public statement is released.
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According to Kirsty Johnston in the Herald Grace had been raped.
I think her evidence is based on ... she appears to have been murdered ... maybe ... by a man ... maybe ... all men are rapists ... ipso facto ...
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12176084
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@booboo said in Grace Millane:
According to Kirsty Johnston in the Herald Grace had been raped.
I think her evidence is based on ... she appears to have been murdered ... maybe ... by a man ... maybe ... all men are rapists ... ipso facto ...
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12176084
Look on the bright side. She's seething.
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Oh Christ . I assumed that by now the amount of people using this poor woman’s death to further their own agenda, to get themselves in the limelight and for political purposes would have peaked by now . Obviously I was quite naive in that regard.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12177080
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@jegga yeah murders and violent crime by strangers is extremely rare in NZ, so statistically speaking there is no wider trend to address based on this alone. Seems an odd choice of case to start talking about domestic violence.
I'd also add that there is a minority of men that commit violent crimes like this, which I'm sure we'd all love for them not to given other men often make up the majority of their victims. But an open letter demanding "all men do better" and suggesting things like behavioral change programmes is at best intellectually lazy, but more likely just pushing the man-hating "decontruct the patriarchy" theory so many feminists seem to love these days.
These "prominent women" don't appear to be able to think about things with any sort of depth or nuance. Or maybe they just don't want to because it doesn't fit their political agenda. It's exactly the same thing as telling all Muslims they need to do better because a minority of them committ acts of terror, without even bothering to look into why this might be happening.
Smearing everyone with the same brush is a fantastic way to advance politically as people love a simple answer, but it does nothing at all to address any complex real-world problems.
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@no-quarter damn I had written an extremely witty response to that article but only 1 line posted....
While I am sure the Mullane family are hopeful some good might come of thier daughters death, I expect they'd hate some of the agendas being pushed.
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@taniwharugby no, domestic violence is violence within the home typically committed by a spouse or partner. They were effectively strangers that met online and then in person.
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@no-quarter thats what I thought, but this random act of violence is being used to push the domestic angle (which is a problem as we know)
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@jegga said in Grace Millane:
Oh Christ . I assumed that by now the amount of people using this poor woman’s death to further their own agenda, to get themselves in the limelight and for political purposes would have peaked by now . Obviously I was quite naive in that regard.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12177080
Oh bugger, it seems that all of us on TSF except Mokey, bless her, have been off inadvertently raping and murdering again.
Probably in our sleep or something because I'm buggered if I remember them but we must have.
C'mon guys, we'll just have to do something else instead of raping and murdering every woman we cross paths with.
We'll have to be better !
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@no-quarter said in Grace Millane:
@jegga yeah murders and violent crime by strangers is extremely rare in NZ, so statistically speaking there is no wider trend to address based on this alone. Seems an odd choice of case to start talking about domestic violence.
I'd also add that there is a minority of men that commit violent crimes like this, which I'm sure we'd all love for them not to given other men often make up the majority of their victims. But an open letter demanding "all men do better" and suggesting things like behavioral change programmes is at best intellectually lazy, but more likely just pushing the man-hating "decontruct the patriarchy" theory so many feminists seem to love these days.
These "prominent women" don't appear to be able to think about things with any sort of depth or nuance. Or maybe they just don't want to because it doesn't fit their political agenda. It's exactly the same thing as telling all Muslims they need to do better because a minority of them committ acts of terror, without even bothering to look into why this might be happening.
Smearing everyone with the same brush is a fantastic way to advance politically as people love a simple answer, but it does nothing at all to address any complex real-world problems.
Unless you can tie this murder to domestic violence the story doesn’t really have the legs to push the all men are violent rapists who must to better agenda . This was just an awful act of random violence by a nutcase not domestic violence.
It’s also telling that while they are quite happy to speak up they aren’t touching the 10000 pound elephant in the room when it comes to domestic violence, which is a conversation we really should be having .
In the new year expect there to be studies, committees and working groups looking into this funded by the taxpayer with the usual suspects being involved competing for their share of the limelight bravely speaking up and challenging kiwi men to do better .
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I posted this in another thread but is pretty applicable here as media are very determined to push the 'all men are rapists/murderers' angle. This is the end result of that theory when mixed with uni professors teaching the same. I've met women like this and it's terrifying. I can only assume she has never had professional help or that help is similarly ideologically possessed.
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@rembrandt said in Grace Millane:
I posted this in another thread but is pretty applicable here as media are very determined to push the 'all men are rapists/murderers' angle. This is the end result of that theory when mixed with uni professors teaching the same. I've met women like this and it's terrifying. I can only assume she has never had professional help or that help is similarly ideologically possessed.
She looks like she goes to the same barber as me
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@jegga said in Grace Millane:
@no-quarter said in Grace Millane:
@jegga yeah murders and violent crime by strangers is extremely rare in NZ, so statistically speaking there is no wider trend to address based on this alone. Seems an odd choice of case to start talking about domestic violence.
I'd also add that there is a minority of men that commit violent crimes like this, which I'm sure we'd all love for them not to given other men often make up the majority of their victims. But an open letter demanding "all men do better" and suggesting things like behavioral change programmes is at best intellectually lazy, but more likely just pushing the man-hating "decontruct the patriarchy" theory so many feminists seem to love these days.
These "prominent women" don't appear to be able to think about things with any sort of depth or nuance. Or maybe they just don't want to because it doesn't fit their political agenda. It's exactly the same thing as telling all Muslims they need to do better because a minority of them committ acts of terror, without even bothering to look into why this might be happening.
Smearing everyone with the same brush is a fantastic way to advance politically as people love a simple answer, but it does nothing at all to address any complex real-world problems.
Unless you can tie this murder to domestic violence the story doesn’t really have the legs to push the all men are violent rapists who must to better agenda . This was just an awful act of random violence by a nutcase not domestic violence.
It’s also telling that while they are quite happy to speak up they aren’t touching the 10000 pound elephant in the room when it comes to domestic violence, which is a conversation we really should be having .
In the new year expect there to be studies, committees and working groups looking into this funded by the taxpayer with the usual suspects being involved competing for their share of the limelight bravely speaking up and challenging kiwi men to do better .
We need some #shameontheshamers t shirts
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@jegga said in Grace Millane:
@no-quarter said in Grace Millane:
@jegga yeah murders and violent crime by strangers is extremely rare in NZ, so statistically speaking there is no wider trend to address based on this alone. Seems an odd choice of case to start talking about domestic violence.
I'd also add that there is a minority of men that commit violent crimes like this, which I'm sure we'd all love for them not to given other men often make up the majority of their victims. But an open letter demanding "all men do better" and suggesting things like behavioral change programmes is at best intellectually lazy, but more likely just pushing the man-hating "decontruct the patriarchy" theory so many feminists seem to love these days.
These "prominent women" don't appear to be able to think about things with any sort of depth or nuance. Or maybe they just don't want to because it doesn't fit their political agenda. It's exactly the same thing as telling all Muslims they need to do better because a minority of them committ acts of terror, without even bothering to look into why this might be happening.
Smearing everyone with the same brush is a fantastic way to advance politically as people love a simple answer, but it does nothing at all to address any complex real-world problems.
Unless you can tie this murder to domestic violence the story doesn’t really have the legs to push the all men are violent rapists who must to better agenda . This was just an awful act of random violence by a nutcase not domestic violence.
It’s also telling that while they are quite happy to speak up they aren’t touching the 10000 pound elephant in the room when it comes to domestic violence, which is a conversation we really should be having .
In the new year expect there to be studies, committees and working groups looking into this funded by the taxpayer with the usual suspects being involved competing for their share of the limelight bravely speaking up and challenging kiwi men to do better .
It's a bizzare situation alright. This sick 'new left'who are determined to push a narrative of 'straight white christian men' are the route of all evil and are happy to conflate any stats to prove their point but seem to have zero interest in addressing actual identified problems or even with making women safer. You get the same in Sweden, rape capital of Europe. This is used to push a an anti-male agenda while ignoring where the overwhelming number of these rapes are occurring from. The fear is of course racism..but surely by not at least addressing issues this will only ultimately create even worse racism in the long term.
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Somewhere a man woke up this morning and read the herald and thought to himself “ shit Teresa Gatting and Dame Sylvia Cartwright have a point, I do need to better so I’ll start by not committing that rape and murder I was planning for this afternoon “.
Ffs.
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@taniwharugby Ask no questions about ferners who no longer post, and you'll be told no lies.
I do hate that Grace's killing has now been locked into a discussion about domestic violence. Completely separate issues. What about the poor woman who was killed by her partner on the same day? (In Flatbush or something?)
I want to see the stats of who is committing these revolting crimes. Ages. Ethnicity. Socio-economic background. So resources etc can be targeted. It pissed me off when Cunliffe apologised on behalf of all men, and saying 'men need to do better' is not helpful. All the guys I know have managed to make it through without raping or murdering a woman. So let's not waste time spreading the message thin.
Stuff
Ethnic Identity and Intimate Partner Violence in a New Zealand Birth Cohort - Ministry of Social Development
