Cricket - NZ vs Sri Lanka
-
@godder said in Cricket - NZ vs Sri Lanka:
Southee to produce 6 of the best?
So scenario ...
Southee ends up with 6 in both innings ... who gets MOTM, Timmah or Tommah?
-
@godder said in Cricket - NZ vs Sri Lanka:
Southee to produce 6 of the best?
So scenario ...
Southee ends up with 6 in both innings ... who gets MOTM, Timmah or Tommah?
@booboo said in Cricket - NZ vs Sri Lanka:
@godder said in Cricket - NZ vs Sri Lanka:
Southee to produce 6 of the best?
So scenario ...
Southee ends up with 6 in both innings ... who gets MOTM, Timmah or Tommah?
Timmah. 12 wickets trumps any batting score (except freak outcomes). Much bigger contribution to the win.
Edited to correct to Timmah!
-
@booboo said in Cricket - NZ vs Sri Lanka:
@godder said in Cricket - NZ vs Sri Lanka:
Southee to produce 6 of the best?
So scenario ...
Southee ends up with 6 in both innings ... who gets MOTM, Timmah or Tommah?
Timmah. 12 wickets trumps any batting score (except freak outcomes). Much bigger contribution to the win.
Edited to correct to Timmah!
@nzzp said in Cricket - NZ vs Sri Lanka:
@booboo said in Cricket - NZ vs Sri Lanka:
@godder said in Cricket - NZ vs Sri Lanka:
Southee to produce 6 of the best?
So scenario ...
Southee ends up with 6 in both innings ... who gets MOTM, Timmah or Tommah?
Timmah. 12 wickets trumps any batting score (except freak outcomes). Much bigger contribution to the win.
Edited to correct to Timmah!
He could get all 20 fucken wickets and the haters would still whinge about his batting even after cracking a fast paced but irresponsible 68 off 29 deliveries.....
-
@booboo said in Cricket - NZ vs Sri Lanka:
@godder said in Cricket - NZ vs Sri Lanka:
Southee to produce 6 of the best?
So scenario ...
Southee ends up with 6 in both innings ... who gets MOTM, Timmah or Tommah?
Timmah. 12 wickets trumps any batting score (except freak outcomes). Much bigger contribution to the win.
Edited to correct to Timmah!
@nzzp said in Cricket - NZ vs Sri Lanka:
Timmah. 12 wickets trumps any batting score (except freak outcomes). Much bigger contribution to the win.
Not disagreeing with you but that was something like the 6th highest score by a NZ batsman and the first time a Kiwi opener has carried his bat in NZ. Highest score by any opener in test history to get through an entire innings. Pretty impressive.
I think 12 wickets would have been done a few times.
-
@nzzp said in Cricket - NZ vs Sri Lanka:
Timmah. 12 wickets trumps any batting score (except freak outcomes). Much bigger contribution to the win.
Not disagreeing with you but that was something like the 6th highest score by a NZ batsman and the first time a Kiwi opener has carried his bat in NZ. Highest score by any opener in test history to get through an entire innings. Pretty impressive.
I think 12 wickets would have been done a few times.
@snowy said in Cricket - NZ vs Sri Lanka:
@nzzp said in Cricket - NZ vs Sri Lanka:
Timmah. 12 wickets trumps any batting score (except freak outcomes). Much bigger contribution to the win.
Not disagreeing with you but that was something like the 6th highest score by a NZ batsman and the first time a Kiwi opener has carried his bat in NZ. Highest score by any opener in test history to get through an entire innings. Pretty impressive.
I think 12 wickets would have been done a few times.
When Bryan Young got his double did they declare?
-
@nzzp said in Cricket - NZ vs Sri Lanka:
Timmah. 12 wickets trumps any batting score (except freak outcomes). Much bigger contribution to the win.
Not disagreeing with you but that was something like the 6th highest score by a NZ batsman and the first time a Kiwi opener has carried his bat in NZ. Highest score by any opener in test history to get through an entire innings. Pretty impressive.
I think 12 wickets would have been done a few times.
@snowy said in Cricket - NZ vs Sri Lanka:
@nzzp said in Cricket - NZ vs Sri Lanka:
Timmah. 12 wickets trumps any batting score (except freak outcomes). Much bigger contribution to the win.
Not disagreeing with you but that was something like the 6th highest score by a NZ batsman and the first time a Kiwi opener has carried his bat in NZ. Highest score by any opener in test history to get through an entire innings. Pretty impressive.
I think 12 wickets would have been done a few times.
12 in a match puts him second equal behind Hadlee. Done twice by Vettori (weirdly, I dont' remember him doing this and spinnig people out. Once in Aus in 2000, and again against the Bangles over there).
So yeah, 12 in a match is amazingballs.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_New_Zealand_Test_cricket_records#Best_figures_in_a_match
-
@snowy said in Cricket - NZ vs Sri Lanka:
@nzzp said in Cricket - NZ vs Sri Lanka:
Timmah. 12 wickets trumps any batting score (except freak outcomes). Much bigger contribution to the win.
Not disagreeing with you but that was something like the 6th highest score by a NZ batsman and the first time a Kiwi opener has carried his bat in NZ. Highest score by any opener in test history to get through an entire innings. Pretty impressive.
I think 12 wickets would have been done a few times.
12 in a match puts him second equal behind Hadlee. Done twice by Vettori (weirdly, I dont' remember him doing this and spinnig people out. Once in Aus in 2000, and again against the Bangles over there).
So yeah, 12 in a match is amazingballs.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_New_Zealand_Test_cricket_records#Best_figures_in_a_match
@nzzp said in Cricket - NZ vs Sri Lanka:
@snowy said in Cricket - NZ vs Sri Lanka:
@nzzp said in Cricket - NZ vs Sri Lanka:
Timmah. 12 wickets trumps any batting score (except freak outcomes). Much bigger contribution to the win.
Not disagreeing with you but that was something like the 6th highest score by a NZ batsman and the first time a Kiwi opener has carried his bat in NZ. Highest score by any opener in test history to get through an entire innings. Pretty impressive.
I think 12 wickets would have been done a few times.
12 in a match puts him second equal behind Hadlee. Done twice by Vettori (weirdly, I dont' remember him doing this and spinnig people out. Once in Aus in 2000, and again against the Bangles over there).
So yeah, 12 in a match is amazingballs.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_New_Zealand_Test_cricket_records#Best_figures_in_a_match
If I remember rightly Alan Border got a 10 fer....
But then again Jason Gillespie got a double ton....
Cricket is a funny game ( say that in a Geoffrey Boycott accent for full effect )
-
I’d give MOTM to Timmy if he got another 6fer.
The SL bowling attack really is poor. Their batting is better, albeit marginally.
Well done to Latham. A huge effort in concentration and application.
-
@snowy said in Cricket - NZ vs Sri Lanka:
@nzzp said in Cricket - NZ vs Sri Lanka:
Timmah. 12 wickets trumps any batting score (except freak outcomes). Much bigger contribution to the win.
Not disagreeing with you but that was something like the 6th highest score by a NZ batsman and the first time a Kiwi opener has carried his bat in NZ. Highest score by any opener in test history to get through an entire innings. Pretty impressive.
I think 12 wickets would have been done a few times.
When Bryan Young got his double did they declare?
@mn5 said in Cricket - NZ vs Sri Lanka:
When Bryan Young got his double did they declare?
At tea on the second day 7 down with Dipak also not out on 40 odd. Looking at the scorecard it looks to have rained most of the next day which was probably the consideration.
Young, Sutcliffe, Kane and Fleming all had good chances at 300 but gave them up in the interests of the team. Sutcliffe was declared on only 2 down!!
Does really show that unless you are batting second on a road after giving up ~600 there is almost has to be a degree of putting the individual first to get there.
-
@mn5 said in Cricket - NZ vs Sri Lanka:
When Bryan Young got his double did they declare?
At tea on the second day 7 down with Dipak also not out on 40 odd. Looking at the scorecard it looks to have rained most of the next day which was probably the consideration.
Young, Sutcliffe, Kane and Fleming all had good chances at 300 but gave them up in the interests of the team. Sutcliffe was declared on only 2 down!!
Does really show that unless you are batting second on a road after giving up ~600 there is almost has to be a degree of putting the individual first to get there.
@rotated said in Cricket - NZ vs Sri Lanka:
@mn5 said in Cricket - NZ vs Sri Lanka:
When Bryan Young got his double did they declare?
At tea on the second day 7 down with Dipak also not out on 40 odd. Looking at the scorecard it looks to have rained most of the next day which was probably the consideration.
Young, Sutcliffe, Kane and Fleming all had good chances at 300 but gave them up in the interests of the team. Sutcliffe was declared on only 2 down!!
Does really show that unless you are batting second on a road after giving up ~600 there is almost has to be a degree of putting the individual first to get there.
For all the shit Fleming got over his conversion rate he still cracked three double hundies.
-
@mn5 said in Cricket - NZ vs Sri Lanka:
When Bryan Young got his double did they declare?
At tea on the second day 7 down with Dipak also not out on 40 odd. Looking at the scorecard it looks to have rained most of the next day which was probably the consideration.
Young, Sutcliffe, Kane and Fleming all had good chances at 300 but gave them up in the interests of the team. Sutcliffe was declared on only 2 down!!
Does really show that unless you are batting second on a road after giving up ~600 there is almost has to be a degree of putting the individual first to get there.
@rotated said in Cricket - NZ vs Sri Lanka:
@mn5 said in Cricket - NZ vs Sri Lanka:
When Bryan Young got his double did they declare?
At tea on the second day 7 down with Dipak also not out on 40 odd. Looking at the scorecard it looks to have rained most of the next day which was probably the consideration.
Young, Sutcliffe, Kane and Fleming all had good chances at 300 but gave them up in the interests of the team. Sutcliffe was declared on only 2 down!!
Does really show that unless you are batting second on a road after giving up ~600 there is almost has to be a degree of putting the individual first to get there.
If Kane had faced as many balls as Latham and kept up his scoring rate he would have passed 400 ...
-
@mn5 said in Cricket - NZ vs Sri Lanka:
When Bryan Young got his double did they declare?
At tea on the second day 7 down with Dipak also not out on 40 odd. Looking at the scorecard it looks to have rained most of the next day which was probably the consideration.
Young, Sutcliffe, Kane and Fleming all had good chances at 300 but gave them up in the interests of the team. Sutcliffe was declared on only 2 down!!
Does really show that unless you are batting second on a road after giving up ~600 there is almost has to be a degree of putting the individual first to get there.
@rotated said in Cricket - NZ vs Sri Lanka:
@mn5 said in Cricket - NZ vs Sri Lanka:
When Bryan Young got his double did they declare?
At tea on the second day 7 down with Dipak also not out on 40 odd. Looking at the scorecard it looks to have rained most of the next day which was probably the consideration.
I was at that day, I don't think the possibility of rain had much to do with it.
It was an extremely cold southerly and the Sri Lankans were miserable. Players fielding with their hands in pockets even as the ball was bowled.
They were put in for the last session because they had mentally checked outThe day was as famous for the couch burning as it was for Youngs innings:
https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/back-in-day-scarfies-hijack-test-match-setting-fire-couches-carisbrook-terrace?variant=tb_v_2The fires started because people were cold. There were fires in metal trash cans before the couches. The couches just generated too much smoke
-
@rotated said in Cricket - NZ vs Sri Lanka:
@mn5 said in Cricket - NZ vs Sri Lanka:
When Bryan Young got his double did they declare?
At tea on the second day 7 down with Dipak also not out on 40 odd. Looking at the scorecard it looks to have rained most of the next day which was probably the consideration.
Young, Sutcliffe, Kane and Fleming all had good chances at 300 but gave them up in the interests of the team. Sutcliffe was declared on only 2 down!!
Does really show that unless you are batting second on a road after giving up ~600 there is almost has to be a degree of putting the individual first to get there.
For all the shit Fleming got over his conversion rate he still cracked three double hundies.
@mn5 said in Cricket - NZ vs Sri Lanka:
@rotated said in Cricket - NZ vs Sri Lanka:
@mn5 said in Cricket - NZ vs Sri Lanka:
When Bryan Young got his double did they declare?
At tea on the second day 7 down with Dipak also not out on 40 odd. Looking at the scorecard it looks to have rained most of the next day which was probably the consideration.
Young, Sutcliffe, Kane and Fleming all had good chances at 300 but gave them up in the interests of the team. Sutcliffe was declared on only 2 down!!
Does really show that unless you are batting second on a road after giving up ~600 there is almost has to be a degree of putting the individual first to get there.
For all the shit Fleming got over his conversion rate he still cracked three double hundies.
Yeah when he got past 100 he generally went big. For the last few years of his career (at least) he clearly had a mental block about triple figures and would often try and blast his way through the 90s and get caught.
-
@rotated said in Cricket - NZ vs Sri Lanka:
@mn5 said in Cricket - NZ vs Sri Lanka:
When Bryan Young got his double did they declare?
At tea on the second day 7 down with Dipak also not out on 40 odd. Looking at the scorecard it looks to have rained most of the next day which was probably the consideration.
Young, Sutcliffe, Kane and Fleming all had good chances at 300 but gave them up in the interests of the team. Sutcliffe was declared on only 2 down!!
Does really show that unless you are batting second on a road after giving up ~600 there is almost has to be a degree of putting the individual first to get there.
If Kane had faced as many balls as Latham and kept up his scoring rate he would have passed 400 ...
@kiwipie said in Cricket - NZ vs Sri Lanka:
@rotated said in Cricket - NZ vs Sri Lanka:
@mn5 said in Cricket - NZ vs Sri Lanka:
When Bryan Young got his double did they declare?
At tea on the second day 7 down with Dipak also not out on 40 odd. Looking at the scorecard it looks to have rained most of the next day which was probably the consideration.
Young, Sutcliffe, Kane and Fleming all had good chances at 300 but gave them up in the interests of the team. Sutcliffe was declared on only 2 down!!
Does really show that unless you are batting second on a road after giving up ~600 there is almost has to be a degree of putting the individual first to get there.
If Kane had faced as many balls as Latham and kept up his scoring rate he would have passed 400 ...
Ah yes but he didn't...
... if de Grandhomme ...
-
@mn5 said in Cricket - NZ vs Sri Lanka:
@rotated said in Cricket - NZ vs Sri Lanka:
@mn5 said in Cricket - NZ vs Sri Lanka:
When Bryan Young got his double did they declare?
At tea on the second day 7 down with Dipak also not out on 40 odd. Looking at the scorecard it looks to have rained most of the next day which was probably the consideration.
Young, Sutcliffe, Kane and Fleming all had good chances at 300 but gave them up in the interests of the team. Sutcliffe was declared on only 2 down!!
Does really show that unless you are batting second on a road after giving up ~600 there is almost has to be a degree of putting the individual first to get there.
For all the shit Fleming got over his conversion rate he still cracked three double hundies.
Yeah when he got past 100 he generally went big. For the last few years of his career (at least) he clearly had a mental block about triple figures and would often try and blast his way through the 90s and get caught.
@cyclops said in Cricket - NZ vs Sri Lanka:
@mn5 said in Cricket - NZ vs Sri Lanka:
@rotated said in Cricket - NZ vs Sri Lanka:
@mn5 said in Cricket - NZ vs Sri Lanka:
When Bryan Young got his double did they declare?
At tea on the second day 7 down with Dipak also not out on 40 odd. Looking at the scorecard it looks to have rained most of the next day which was probably the consideration.
Young, Sutcliffe, Kane and Fleming all had good chances at 300 but gave them up in the interests of the team. Sutcliffe was declared on only 2 down!!
Does really show that unless you are batting second on a road after giving up ~600 there is almost has to be a degree of putting the individual first to get there.
For all the shit Fleming got over his conversion rate he still cracked three double hundies.
Yeah when he got past 100 he generally went big. For the last few years of his career (at least) he clearly had a mental block about triple figures and would often try and blast his way through the 90s and get caught.
Good record ( although he underachieved all things considered ) and outstanding captain. That to me is why he'll always get mentioned in an all time XI
-
@cyclops said in Cricket - NZ vs Sri Lanka:
@mn5 said in Cricket - NZ vs Sri Lanka:
@rotated said in Cricket - NZ vs Sri Lanka:
@mn5 said in Cricket - NZ vs Sri Lanka:
When Bryan Young got his double did they declare?
At tea on the second day 7 down with Dipak also not out on 40 odd. Looking at the scorecard it looks to have rained most of the next day which was probably the consideration.
Young, Sutcliffe, Kane and Fleming all had good chances at 300 but gave them up in the interests of the team. Sutcliffe was declared on only 2 down!!
Does really show that unless you are batting second on a road after giving up ~600 there is almost has to be a degree of putting the individual first to get there.
For all the shit Fleming got over his conversion rate he still cracked three double hundies.
Yeah when he got past 100 he generally went big. For the last few years of his career (at least) he clearly had a mental block about triple figures and would often try and blast his way through the 90s and get caught.
Good record ( although he underachieved all things considered ) and outstanding captain. That to me is why he'll always get mentioned in an all time XI
@mn5 said in Cricket - NZ vs Sri Lanka:
@cyclops said in Cricket - NZ vs Sri Lanka:
@mn5 said in Cricket - NZ vs Sri Lanka:
@rotated said in Cricket - NZ vs Sri Lanka:
@mn5 said in Cricket - NZ vs Sri Lanka:
When Bryan Young got his double did they declare?
At tea on the second day 7 down with Dipak also not out on 40 odd. Looking at the scorecard it looks to have rained most of the next day which was probably the consideration.
Young, Sutcliffe, Kane and Fleming all had good chances at 300 but gave them up in the interests of the team. Sutcliffe was declared on only 2 down!!
Does really show that unless you are batting second on a road after giving up ~600 there is almost has to be a degree of putting the individual first to get there.
For all the shit Fleming got over his conversion rate he still cracked three double hundies.
Yeah when he got past 100 he generally went big. For the last few years of his career (at least) he clearly had a mental block about triple figures and would often try and blast his way through the 90s and get caught.
Good record ( although he underachieved all things considered ) and outstanding captain. That to me is why he'll always get mentioned in an all time XI
Yeah from memory when you look at 50+ scores he ranks pretty well which is good indicator of his raw ability.
I think one of the things that stands out for me about Baz is his ability to go big. The triple, three doubles, and another few big 150s. Especially later in his career once he got triple figures he was hard to get arid of.
-
@cyclops said in Cricket - NZ vs Sri Lanka:
@mn5 said in Cricket - NZ vs Sri Lanka:
@rotated said in Cricket - NZ vs Sri Lanka:
@mn5 said in Cricket - NZ vs Sri Lanka:
When Bryan Young got his double did they declare?
At tea on the second day 7 down with Dipak also not out on 40 odd. Looking at the scorecard it looks to have rained most of the next day which was probably the consideration.
Young, Sutcliffe, Kane and Fleming all had good chances at 300 but gave them up in the interests of the team. Sutcliffe was declared on only 2 down!!
Does really show that unless you are batting second on a road after giving up ~600 there is almost has to be a degree of putting the individual first to get there.
For all the shit Fleming got over his conversion rate he still cracked three double hundies.
Yeah when he got past 100 he generally went big. For the last few years of his career (at least) he clearly had a mental block about triple figures and would often try and blast his way through the 90s and get caught.
Good record ( although he underachieved all things considered ) and outstanding captain. That to me is why he'll always get mentioned in an all time XI
@mn5 said in Cricket - NZ vs Sri Lanka:
Good record ( although he underachieved all things considered ) and outstanding captain. That to me is why he'll always get mentioned in an all time XI
The issue with Flem was he played for NZ. He debuted the same summer as Matthew Hayden and a year after Justin Langer. All three posted initial promising returns but were quickly found out at international level. The two Australians had the luxury of being dropped and coming back once their game had matured. Flem couldn't dropped due to lack to our lack of depth and his growth was further stunted by the captaincy.
If he played for another country and was able to be put back in the domestic oven for a couple more seasons his career is remembered just for the '01 period onwards and is at worst carrying the drinks for an all time XI.
-
@mn5 said in Cricket - NZ vs Sri Lanka:
Good record ( although he underachieved all things considered ) and outstanding captain. That to me is why he'll always get mentioned in an all time XI
The issue with Flem was he played for NZ. He debuted the same summer as Matthew Hayden and a year after Justin Langer. All three posted initial promising returns but were quickly found out at international level. The two Australians had the luxury of being dropped and coming back once their game had matured. Flem couldn't dropped due to lack to our lack of depth and his growth was further stunted by the captaincy.
If he played for another country and was able to be put back in the domestic oven for a couple more seasons his career is remembered just for the '01 period onwards and is at worst carrying the drinks for an all time XI.
@rotated said in Cricket - NZ vs Sri Lanka:
@mn5 said in Cricket - NZ vs Sri Lanka:
Good record ( although he underachieved all things considered ) and outstanding captain. That to me is why he'll always get mentioned in an all time XI
The issue with Flem was he played for NZ. He debuted the same summer as Matthew Hayden and a year after Justin Langer. All three posted initial promising returns but were quickly found out at international level. The two Australians had the luxury of being dropped and coming back once their game had matured. Flem couldn't dropped due to lack to our lack of depth and his growth was further stunted by the captaincy.
If he played for another country and was able to be put back in the domestic oven for a couple more seasons his career is remembered just for the '01 period onwards and is at worst carrying the drinks for an all time XI.
Yeah I think he probably misses out on he top team but for me captains the 2nd XI. ( which is a vastly inferior team, particularly the bowling )
-
@rotated said in Cricket - NZ vs Sri Lanka:
@mn5 said in Cricket - NZ vs Sri Lanka:
Good record ( although he underachieved all things considered ) and outstanding captain. That to me is why he'll always get mentioned in an all time XI
The issue with Flem was he played for NZ. He debuted the same summer as Matthew Hayden and a year after Justin Langer. All three posted initial promising returns but were quickly found out at international level. The two Australians had the luxury of being dropped and coming back once their game had matured. Flem couldn't dropped due to lack to our lack of depth and his growth was further stunted by the captaincy.
If he played for another country and was able to be put back in the domestic oven for a couple more seasons his career is remembered just for the '01 period onwards and is at worst carrying the drinks for an all time XI.
Yeah I think he probably misses out on he top team but for me captains the 2nd XI. ( which is a vastly inferior team, particularly the bowling )
Yeah I think he probably misses out on he top team but for me captains the 2nd XI. ( which is a vastly inferior team, particularly the bowling )
Bowling attack for the second XI for me would be:
Richard Collinge/Cowie
Chats (if you look at the footage from his playing days, he moved the ball off the pitch appreciably at times - a lot more than we think nowadays)/Bartlett
Nash/Vettori
Cairns/ BracewellI'm postulating that we are playing on pre-drop in pitches.
