Black Caps 2019 Cricket World Cup Squad
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@Godder said in Black Caps 2019 Cricket World Cup Squad:
I think his basic role is to score quickly, and if he gets out cheaply, that's a calculated risk. Guptill is the anchor of the two, and Williamson and Taylor provide a lot of solidity to balance that risk.
He's the embodiment of the strategy set in place by Macca and Hesson
@canefan said in Black Caps 2019 Cricket World Cup Squad:
@Godder said in Black Caps 2019 Cricket World Cup Squad:
I think his basic role is to score quickly, and if he gets out cheaply, that's a calculated risk. Guptill is the anchor of the two, and Williamson and Taylor provide a lot of solidity to balance that risk.
He's the embodiment of the strategy set in place by Macca and Hesson
The strategy makes a lot more sense when it is a guy with obvious limitations like Munro putting a cheap price on his wicket and throwing the dice. When it is a talented batsman capable of a captain's knock - less so.
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I don't hopeitalicised text the Munro defenders are going to be found out during the India series, but I kind of assume you will be.
@shark said in Black Caps 2019 Cricket World Cup Squad:
I don't hopeitalicised text the Munro defenders are going to be found out during the India series, but I kind of assume you will be.
Look I'm only defending Munro because he has no defence himself.
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@shark said in Black Caps 2019 Cricket World Cup Squad:
@No-Quarter said in Black Caps 2019 Cricket World Cup Squad:
Re: Munro. I'm not really a fan, I think he gets found out by quality opposition as he's really just a hitter with a good eye and shit technique. But we're really struggling to find a decent opener to partner Guppy.
Latham is the only other contender who has averaged more than 30 in that position in the past few years. It's not a bad idea, but would completely change our approach as both he and Guppy tend to start slow and build into their innings. So we'd be putting all our eggs in the final 10 overs with the hope that we'd score enough then to get a competitive total, which can heap a lot of pressure on the middle/lower order. I'm not convinced we have the finishers to make that work consistently.
Given Munro's T20 form I think he's worth a gamble at the top, with Latham floating as an insurance policy.
Pretty well put.
I seriously believe though that a poor series against India will put Munro's position under immense threat. So if not Latham, due to that tendency to start slow and build into an innings (valid when I dig into his stats), then who can we use in lieu of Munro? How about this: Corey Anderson.
Thoughts?
When is he ever fit? Another strong guy with fast hands, not sure of his technique though
@canefan said in Black Caps 2019 Cricket World Cup Squad:
@shark said in Black Caps 2019 Cricket World Cup Squad:
@No-Quarter said in Black Caps 2019 Cricket World Cup Squad:
Re: Munro. I'm not really a fan, I think he gets found out by quality opposition as he's really just a hitter with a good eye and shit technique. But we're really struggling to find a decent opener to partner Guppy.
Latham is the only other contender who has averaged more than 30 in that position in the past few years. It's not a bad idea, but would completely change our approach as both he and Guppy tend to start slow and build into their innings. So we'd be putting all our eggs in the final 10 overs with the hope that we'd score enough then to get a competitive total, which can heap a lot of pressure on the middle/lower order. I'm not convinced we have the finishers to make that work consistently.
Given Munro's T20 form I think he's worth a gamble at the top, with Latham floating as an insurance policy.
Pretty well put.
I seriously believe though that a poor series against India will put Munro's position under immense threat. So if not Latham, due to that tendency to start slow and build into an innings (valid when I dig into his stats), then who can we use in lieu of Munro? How about this: Corey Anderson.
Thoughts?
When is he ever fit? Another strong guy with fast hands, not sure of his technique though
I think he's fit at the moment and playing as a batsman for ND.
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@canefan said in Black Caps 2019 Cricket World Cup Squad:
@shark said in Black Caps 2019 Cricket World Cup Squad:
@No-Quarter said in Black Caps 2019 Cricket World Cup Squad:
Re: Munro. I'm not really a fan, I think he gets found out by quality opposition as he's really just a hitter with a good eye and shit technique. But we're really struggling to find a decent opener to partner Guppy.
Latham is the only other contender who has averaged more than 30 in that position in the past few years. It's not a bad idea, but would completely change our approach as both he and Guppy tend to start slow and build into their innings. So we'd be putting all our eggs in the final 10 overs with the hope that we'd score enough then to get a competitive total, which can heap a lot of pressure on the middle/lower order. I'm not convinced we have the finishers to make that work consistently.
Given Munro's T20 form I think he's worth a gamble at the top, with Latham floating as an insurance policy.
Pretty well put.
I seriously believe though that a poor series against India will put Munro's position under immense threat. So if not Latham, due to that tendency to start slow and build into an innings (valid when I dig into his stats), then who can we use in lieu of Munro? How about this: Corey Anderson.
Thoughts?
When is he ever fit? Another strong guy with fast hands, not sure of his technique though
I think he's fit at the moment and playing as a batsman for ND.
@shark said in Black Caps 2019 Cricket World Cup Squad:
@canefan said in Black Caps 2019 Cricket World Cup Squad:
@shark said in Black Caps 2019 Cricket World Cup Squad:
@No-Quarter said in Black Caps 2019 Cricket World Cup Squad:
Re: Munro. I'm not really a fan, I think he gets found out by quality opposition as he's really just a hitter with a good eye and shit technique. But we're really struggling to find a decent opener to partner Guppy.
Latham is the only other contender who has averaged more than 30 in that position in the past few years. It's not a bad idea, but would completely change our approach as both he and Guppy tend to start slow and build into their innings. So we'd be putting all our eggs in the final 10 overs with the hope that we'd score enough then to get a competitive total, which can heap a lot of pressure on the middle/lower order. I'm not convinced we have the finishers to make that work consistently.
Given Munro's T20 form I think he's worth a gamble at the top, with Latham floating as an insurance policy.
Pretty well put.
I seriously believe though that a poor series against India will put Munro's position under immense threat. So if not Latham, due to that tendency to start slow and build into an innings (valid when I dig into his stats), then who can we use in lieu of Munro? How about this: Corey Anderson.
Thoughts?
When is he ever fit? Another strong guy with fast hands, not sure of his technique though
I think he's fit at the moment and playing as a batsman for ND.
So why is he not in the side again? Down the pecking order? Coming back into form?
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@shark said in Black Caps 2019 Cricket World Cup Squad:
@canefan said in Black Caps 2019 Cricket World Cup Squad:
@shark said in Black Caps 2019 Cricket World Cup Squad:
@No-Quarter said in Black Caps 2019 Cricket World Cup Squad:
Re: Munro. I'm not really a fan, I think he gets found out by quality opposition as he's really just a hitter with a good eye and shit technique. But we're really struggling to find a decent opener to partner Guppy.
Latham is the only other contender who has averaged more than 30 in that position in the past few years. It's not a bad idea, but would completely change our approach as both he and Guppy tend to start slow and build into their innings. So we'd be putting all our eggs in the final 10 overs with the hope that we'd score enough then to get a competitive total, which can heap a lot of pressure on the middle/lower order. I'm not convinced we have the finishers to make that work consistently.
Given Munro's T20 form I think he's worth a gamble at the top, with Latham floating as an insurance policy.
Pretty well put.
I seriously believe though that a poor series against India will put Munro's position under immense threat. So if not Latham, due to that tendency to start slow and build into an innings (valid when I dig into his stats), then who can we use in lieu of Munro? How about this: Corey Anderson.
Thoughts?
When is he ever fit? Another strong guy with fast hands, not sure of his technique though
I think he's fit at the moment and playing as a batsman for ND.
So why is he not in the side again? Down the pecking order? Coming back into form?
@canefan said in Black Caps 2019 Cricket World Cup Squad:
@shark said in Black Caps 2019 Cricket World Cup Squad:
@canefan said in Black Caps 2019 Cricket World Cup Squad:
@shark said in Black Caps 2019 Cricket World Cup Squad:
@No-Quarter said in Black Caps 2019 Cricket World Cup Squad:
Re: Munro. I'm not really a fan, I think he gets found out by quality opposition as he's really just a hitter with a good eye and shit technique. But we're really struggling to find a decent opener to partner Guppy.
Latham is the only other contender who has averaged more than 30 in that position in the past few years. It's not a bad idea, but would completely change our approach as both he and Guppy tend to start slow and build into their innings. So we'd be putting all our eggs in the final 10 overs with the hope that we'd score enough then to get a competitive total, which can heap a lot of pressure on the middle/lower order. I'm not convinced we have the finishers to make that work consistently.
Given Munro's T20 form I think he's worth a gamble at the top, with Latham floating as an insurance policy.
Pretty well put.
I seriously believe though that a poor series against India will put Munro's position under immense threat. So if not Latham, due to that tendency to start slow and build into an innings (valid when I dig into his stats), then who can we use in lieu of Munro? How about this: Corey Anderson.
Thoughts?
When is he ever fit? Another strong guy with fast hands, not sure of his technique though
I think he's fit at the moment and playing as a batsman for ND.
So why is he not in the side again? Down the pecking order? Coming back into form?
Presumably they see him as needing to be able to bowl. While he's back batting, I'm guessing his form isn't stellar or he'd already be in the conversation. We know what he can do though and would he be any worse than Munro?
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@canefan said in Black Caps 2019 Cricket World Cup Squad:
@shark said in Black Caps 2019 Cricket World Cup Squad:
@canefan said in Black Caps 2019 Cricket World Cup Squad:
@shark said in Black Caps 2019 Cricket World Cup Squad:
@No-Quarter said in Black Caps 2019 Cricket World Cup Squad:
Re: Munro. I'm not really a fan, I think he gets found out by quality opposition as he's really just a hitter with a good eye and shit technique. But we're really struggling to find a decent opener to partner Guppy.
Latham is the only other contender who has averaged more than 30 in that position in the past few years. It's not a bad idea, but would completely change our approach as both he and Guppy tend to start slow and build into their innings. So we'd be putting all our eggs in the final 10 overs with the hope that we'd score enough then to get a competitive total, which can heap a lot of pressure on the middle/lower order. I'm not convinced we have the finishers to make that work consistently.
Given Munro's T20 form I think he's worth a gamble at the top, with Latham floating as an insurance policy.
Pretty well put.
I seriously believe though that a poor series against India will put Munro's position under immense threat. So if not Latham, due to that tendency to start slow and build into an innings (valid when I dig into his stats), then who can we use in lieu of Munro? How about this: Corey Anderson.
Thoughts?
When is he ever fit? Another strong guy with fast hands, not sure of his technique though
I think he's fit at the moment and playing as a batsman for ND.
So why is he not in the side again? Down the pecking order? Coming back into form?
Presumably they see him as needing to be able to bowl. While he's back batting, I'm guessing his form isn't stellar or he'd already be in the conversation. We know what he can do though and would he be any worse than Munro?
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Look at his recent batting record:
http://www.espncricinfo.com/newzealand/content/player/277662.htmlI don't think he will be making the team as an all rounder let alone as a batsmen only.
@LABCAT said in Black Caps 2019 Cricket World Cup Squad:
Look at his recent batting record:
http://www.espncricinfo.com/newzealand/content/player/277662.htmlI don't think he will be making the team as an all rounder let alone as a batsmen only.
Can't get to that info on my phone. The link only goes to his standard profile.
I'm just throwing his name out there as a possibility.
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@LABCAT said in Black Caps 2019 Cricket World Cup Squad:
Look at his recent batting record:
http://www.espncricinfo.com/newzealand/content/player/277662.htmlI don't think he will be making the team as an all rounder let alone as a batsmen only.
Can't get to that info on my phone. The link only goes to his standard profile.
I'm just throwing his name out there as a possibility.
@shark said in Black Caps 2019 Cricket World Cup Squad:
@LABCAT said in Black Caps 2019 Cricket World Cup Squad:
Look at his recent batting record:
http://www.espncricinfo.com/newzealand/content/player/277662.htmlI don't think he will be making the team as an all rounder let alone as a batsmen only.
Can't get to that info on my phone. The link only goes to his standard profile.
I'm just throwing his name out there as a possibility.
I'm assuming if he was good enough and fit enough he'd be in the mix
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@shark said in Black Caps 2019 Cricket World Cup Squad:
@LABCAT said in Black Caps 2019 Cricket World Cup Squad:
Look at his recent batting record:
http://www.espncricinfo.com/newzealand/content/player/277662.htmlI don't think he will be making the team as an all rounder let alone as a batsmen only.
Can't get to that info on my phone. The link only goes to his standard profile.
I'm just throwing his name out there as a possibility.
I'm assuming if he was good enough and fit enough he'd be in the mix
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@canefan he's good enough. I thought we'd all know that. Particularly in comparison to Munro. Fitness and form are the issues, which aren't insignificant. But he could be a Watson-esque option for the BCs if he can sort those criteria.
@shark said in Black Caps 2019 Cricket World Cup Squad:
@canefan he's good enough. I thought we'd all know that. Particularly in comparison to Munro. Fitness and form are the issues, which aren't insignificant. But he could be a Watson-esque option for the BCs if he can sort those criteria.
Awesome. Every team needs someone horrifically overrated in their line up....
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@shark said in Black Caps 2019 Cricket World Cup Squad:
@canefan he's good enough. I thought we'd all know that. Particularly in comparison to Munro. Fitness and form are the issues, which aren't insignificant. But he could be a Watson-esque option for the BCs if he can sort those criteria.
Awesome. Every team needs someone horrifically overrated in their line up....
@MN5 said in Black Caps 2019 Cricket World Cup Squad:
@shark said in Black Caps 2019 Cricket World Cup Squad:
@canefan he's good enough. I thought we'd all know that. Particularly in comparison to Munro. Fitness and form are the issues, which aren't insignificant. But he could be a Watson-esque option for the BCs if he can sort those criteria.
Awesome. Every team needs someone horrifically overrated in their line up....
at least he can only lose us one DRS per match in ODIs
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@shark said in Black Caps 2019 Cricket World Cup Squad:
@canefan he's good enough. I thought we'd all know that. Particularly in comparison to Munro. Fitness and form are the issues, which aren't insignificant. But he could be a Watson-esque option for the BCs if he can sort those criteria.
Awesome. Every team needs someone horrifically overrated in their line up....
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@shark said in Black Caps 2019 Cricket World Cup Squad:
Still, Watson averaged 40 in ODIs.
To be fair he was actually an excellent player in the shorter formats. It was when people compared him to Jaques Kallis I got annoyed.
@MN5 said in Black Caps 2019 Cricket World Cup Squad:
@shark said in Black Caps 2019 Cricket World Cup Squad:
Still, Watson averaged 40 in ODIs.
To be fair he was actually an excellent player in the shorter formats. It was when people compared him to Jaques Kallis I got annoyed.
He got the most runs and second-most wickets at the world T20 in 2012
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@rotated said in Black Caps 2019 Cricket World Cup Squad:
Anyone else keen to jump on the Dougy Bracewell 2019 bandwagon?
I wouldn’t have a problem if he was picked, but the problem is who to leave out?
Looking at our allrounders:
CdG and Santner are locked in.
Neesham must be after his efforts this month.Not much wiggle room there.
If his bowling is deemed up to scratch he could go in place of one of the bowlers
Boult, Ferguson locked in.
Southee probably is too, despite calls on here for him to be dropped. He’s got experience and history of performing under pressure.Sodhi is likely IMO, I just can’t see them taking only one spinner.
That leaves Matt Henry who hasn’t had many chances and his form hasn’t been great, so he’d be the most likely to make room for Bracewell.
Only other option would be if Nicholls was good enough with the gloves to be back up keeper, he could have Seiferts spot.
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@rotated said in Black Caps 2019 Cricket World Cup Squad:
Anyone else keen to jump on the Dougy Bracewell 2019 bandwagon?
I wouldn’t have a problem if he was picked, but the problem is who to leave out?
Looking at our allrounders:
CdG and Santner are locked in.
Neesham must be after his efforts this month.Not much wiggle room there.
If his bowling is deemed up to scratch he could go in place of one of the bowlers
Boult, Ferguson locked in.
Southee probably is too, despite calls on here for him to be dropped. He’s got experience and history of performing under pressure.Sodhi is likely IMO, I just can’t see them taking only one spinner.
That leaves Matt Henry who hasn’t had many chances and his form hasn’t been great, so he’d be the most likely to make room for Bracewell.
Only other option would be if Nicholls was good enough with the gloves to be back up keeper, he could have Seiferts spot.
@Gunner said in Black Caps 2019 Cricket World Cup Squad:
@rotated said in Black Caps 2019 Cricket World Cup Squad:
Anyone else keen to jump on the Dougy Bracewell 2019 bandwagon?
I wouldn’t have a problem if he was picked, but the problem is who to leave out?
Looking at our allrounders:
CdG and Santner are locked in.
Neesham must be after his efforts this month.Not much wiggle room there.
If his bowling is deemed up to scratch he could go in place of one of the bowlers
Boult, Ferguson locked in.
Southee probably is too, despite calls on here for him to be dropped. He’s got experience and history of performing under pressure.Sodhi is likely IMO, I just can’t see them taking only one spinner.
That leaves Matt Henry who hasn’t had many chances and his form hasn’t been great, so he’d be the most likely to make room for Bracewell.
Only other option would be if Nicholls was good enough with the gloves to be back up keeper, he could have Seiferts spot.
One decent score in how many fucken attempts and Bracewell is an all rounder? I guess Southee and Boult are too?
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@rotated said in Black Caps 2019 Cricket World Cup Squad:
Anyone else keen to jump on the Dougy Bracewell 2019 bandwagon?
I wouldn’t have a problem if he was picked, but the problem is who to leave out?
Looking at our allrounders:
CdG and Santner are locked in.
Neesham must be after his efforts this month.Not much wiggle room there.
If his bowling is deemed up to scratch he could go in place of one of the bowlers
Boult, Ferguson locked in.
Southee probably is too, despite calls on here for him to be dropped. He’s got experience and history of performing under pressure.Sodhi is likely IMO, I just can’t see them taking only one spinner.
That leaves Matt Henry who hasn’t had many chances and his form hasn’t been great, so he’d be the most likely to make room for Bracewell.
Only other option would be if Nicholls was good enough with the gloves to be back up keeper, he could have Seiferts spot.
@Gunner said in Black Caps 2019 Cricket World Cup Squad:
CdG and Santner are locked in.
CdG may be locked in - but he shouldn't be.
Given the balance of the team, if selected he would be one of five frontline bowlers plus Kane. The guy averages 50 with the ball in ODI and when you look at his record Kane rarely has the confidence to go back to him for a second (let a lone third) spell with him if he takes tap early (which is often).
His batting record is what it is - only 18 innings and it's a different role every game. With one fifty though hardly undroppable.
