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    I'm intrigued as to how he's making his name. I never hear anything about him. Interesting how he's a trailblazer...doing pretty much exactly what Evans did - except Evans was much more successful and popular.

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    • BonesB Bones

      I'm intrigued as to how he's making his name. I never hear anything about him. Interesting how he's a trailblazer...doing pretty much exactly what Evans did - except Evans was much more successful and popular.

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      @Bones Well I think he's got one of the highest contracts in the entire league, so he's certainly doing something right!

      I think the reason behind this entire article is in the entire article. Quote - "He's well on his way to that and he's determined not to waste his fortune. "We have agents and financial planners and good people around us," Piutau, now 27, said."

      He's more or less a business now, and this interview is clearly a setup to help promote the business, it contains all the key points required. He's either very shrewd, or one of his many good people around him is sorting it out. And lets not forgot that the English rugby public loves anything which can show NZ rugby in a poor light.

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      • BonesB Bones

        I'm intrigued as to how he's making his name. I never hear anything about him. Interesting how he's a trailblazer...doing pretty much exactly what Evans did - except Evans was much more successful and popular.

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        @Bones said in Exodus 2019:

        I'm intrigued as to how he's making his name. I never hear anything about him. Interesting how he's a trailblazer...doing pretty much exactly what Evans did - except Evans was much more successful and popular.

        This. I don't get the hype for Piutau at all. Wasps fans loved him for the bonus year they got when he was left without a SR contract. It was Ulster who signed him to move North in the first instance - and in my view - got the least value from him. They're raving about him at Bristol Bears where Lam has set up an overseas NZ community.

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          @Bones said in Exodus 2019:

          I'm intrigued as to how he's making his name. I never hear anything about him. Interesting how he's a trailblazer...doing pretty much exactly what Evans did - except Evans was much more successful and popular.

          This. I don't get the hype for Piutau at all. Wasps fans loved him for the bonus year they got when he was left without a SR contract. It was Ulster who signed him to move North in the first instance - and in my view - got the least value from him. They're raving about him at Bristol Bears where Lam has set up an overseas NZ community.

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          @Derm-McCrum yeah I think as pointed out by MR he's probably most popular to those that are reliant on his income.

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            Matt Proctor signs for Northampton Saints, linking up with former Hurricanes coach Chris Boyd:

            https://www.northamptonsaints.co.uk/news/saints-sign-new-zealand-centre-matt-proctor

            Saints sign New Zealand centre Matt Proctor

            Friday, January 11 2019.
            Northampton Saints can today announce that Kiwi centre Matt Proctor will join the Club from Super Rugby franchise Hurricanes. The 26-year-old New Zealand international is director of rugby Chris Boyd’s first new signing for next season, with a raft of current Saints already penning deals to remain at Franklin’s Gardens.

            While comfortable both on the wing and at fullback, Proctor has established himself as one of the best midfielders in the Southern Hemisphere in recent seasons.

            And after committing to make the switch across the world to the Gallagher Premiership, Proctor is already relishing the prospect of a new challenge on English soil with Northampton.

            “I am excited to have signed for such a prestigious club in Northampton Saints,” said Proctor.

            “For a long time now, I have had the ambition of testing myself in the Northern Hemisphere and for so many reasons Northampton is a great fit for me.

            “Not only will I have the opportunity to be coached again by Chris Boyd – the person I have worked with the most as a professional player – but I will also have the honour of joining a Club that is steeped in tradition and boasts a rich history of success.

            “The Club and I share the same goals in wanting to achieve as much success as possible on the pitch, while also contributing to the wider rugby community off the field; so overall I am thrilled to be heading to Franklin’s Gardens.”

            After making his Super Rugby debut in 2013, Wellington-born Proctor was part of the Hurricanes side that – under Boyd – secured the title three years later.

            He celebrated his 50th appearance for the franchise in 2018, while also being named captain for Wellington Lions’ Mitre 10 Cup campaign.

            In the same season Proctor then made his All Blacks Test debut against Japan in November, with his representative career also including the Maori All Blacks, New Zealand Under-20s and New Zealand Schools.

            Boyd said: “Matt is exactly the calibre of player that we want to be bringing to Northampton – he’s a world-class talent.

            “I obviously know first-hand what he can do having worked with him back in New Zealand, and I am confident he can slot into our back-line next year alongside the quality players we already have at Saints.

            “At 26, Matt is entering the peak years of his career and he had the desire for a new challenge on this side of the world. We feel that he can really fill his vast potential here in Northampton.”

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            • sparkyS sparky

              Matt Proctor signs for Northampton Saints, linking up with former Hurricanes coach Chris Boyd:

              https://www.northamptonsaints.co.uk/news/saints-sign-new-zealand-centre-matt-proctor

              Saints sign New Zealand centre Matt Proctor

              Friday, January 11 2019.
              Northampton Saints can today announce that Kiwi centre Matt Proctor will join the Club from Super Rugby franchise Hurricanes. The 26-year-old New Zealand international is director of rugby Chris Boyd’s first new signing for next season, with a raft of current Saints already penning deals to remain at Franklin’s Gardens.

              While comfortable both on the wing and at fullback, Proctor has established himself as one of the best midfielders in the Southern Hemisphere in recent seasons.

              And after committing to make the switch across the world to the Gallagher Premiership, Proctor is already relishing the prospect of a new challenge on English soil with Northampton.

              “I am excited to have signed for such a prestigious club in Northampton Saints,” said Proctor.

              “For a long time now, I have had the ambition of testing myself in the Northern Hemisphere and for so many reasons Northampton is a great fit for me.

              “Not only will I have the opportunity to be coached again by Chris Boyd – the person I have worked with the most as a professional player – but I will also have the honour of joining a Club that is steeped in tradition and boasts a rich history of success.

              “The Club and I share the same goals in wanting to achieve as much success as possible on the pitch, while also contributing to the wider rugby community off the field; so overall I am thrilled to be heading to Franklin’s Gardens.”

              After making his Super Rugby debut in 2013, Wellington-born Proctor was part of the Hurricanes side that – under Boyd – secured the title three years later.

              He celebrated his 50th appearance for the franchise in 2018, while also being named captain for Wellington Lions’ Mitre 10 Cup campaign.

              In the same season Proctor then made his All Blacks Test debut against Japan in November, with his representative career also including the Maori All Blacks, New Zealand Under-20s and New Zealand Schools.

              Boyd said: “Matt is exactly the calibre of player that we want to be bringing to Northampton – he’s a world-class talent.

              “I obviously know first-hand what he can do having worked with him back in New Zealand, and I am confident he can slot into our back-line next year alongside the quality players we already have at Saints.

              “At 26, Matt is entering the peak years of his career and he had the desire for a new challenge on this side of the world. We feel that he can really fill his vast potential here in Northampton.”

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              @sparky that really sucks

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                I have to say I really don’t share the love of some on this forum for proctor. Ive always found him average. It’s a loss for the canes but not really nz imo.

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                • sparkyS sparky

                  Matt Proctor signs for Northampton Saints, linking up with former Hurricanes coach Chris Boyd:

                  https://www.northamptonsaints.co.uk/news/saints-sign-new-zealand-centre-matt-proctor

                  Saints sign New Zealand centre Matt Proctor

                  Friday, January 11 2019.
                  Northampton Saints can today announce that Kiwi centre Matt Proctor will join the Club from Super Rugby franchise Hurricanes. The 26-year-old New Zealand international is director of rugby Chris Boyd’s first new signing for next season, with a raft of current Saints already penning deals to remain at Franklin’s Gardens.

                  While comfortable both on the wing and at fullback, Proctor has established himself as one of the best midfielders in the Southern Hemisphere in recent seasons.

                  And after committing to make the switch across the world to the Gallagher Premiership, Proctor is already relishing the prospect of a new challenge on English soil with Northampton.

                  “I am excited to have signed for such a prestigious club in Northampton Saints,” said Proctor.

                  “For a long time now, I have had the ambition of testing myself in the Northern Hemisphere and for so many reasons Northampton is a great fit for me.

                  “Not only will I have the opportunity to be coached again by Chris Boyd – the person I have worked with the most as a professional player – but I will also have the honour of joining a Club that is steeped in tradition and boasts a rich history of success.

                  “The Club and I share the same goals in wanting to achieve as much success as possible on the pitch, while also contributing to the wider rugby community off the field; so overall I am thrilled to be heading to Franklin’s Gardens.”

                  After making his Super Rugby debut in 2013, Wellington-born Proctor was part of the Hurricanes side that – under Boyd – secured the title three years later.

                  He celebrated his 50th appearance for the franchise in 2018, while also being named captain for Wellington Lions’ Mitre 10 Cup campaign.

                  In the same season Proctor then made his All Blacks Test debut against Japan in November, with his representative career also including the Maori All Blacks, New Zealand Under-20s and New Zealand Schools.

                  Boyd said: “Matt is exactly the calibre of player that we want to be bringing to Northampton – he’s a world-class talent.

                  “I obviously know first-hand what he can do having worked with him back in New Zealand, and I am confident he can slot into our back-line next year alongside the quality players we already have at Saints.

                  “At 26, Matt is entering the peak years of his career and he had the desire for a new challenge on this side of the world. We feel that he can really fill his vast potential here in Northampton.”

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                  @sparky said in Exodus 2019:

                  Matt Proctor signs for Northampton Saints, linking up with former Hurricanes coach Chris Boyd:

                  https://www.northamptonsaints.co.uk/news/saints-sign-new-zealand-centre-matt-proctor

                  Saints sign New Zealand centre Matt Proctor

                  Friday, January 11 2019.
                  Northampton Saints can today announce that Kiwi centre Matt Proctor will join the Club from Super Rugby franchise Hurricanes. The 26-year-old New Zealand international is director of rugby Chris Boyd’s first new signing for next season, with a raft of current Saints already penning deals to remain at Franklin’s Gardens.

                  While comfortable both on the wing and at fullback, Proctor has established himself as one of the best midfielders in the Southern Hemisphere in recent seasons.

                  And after committing to make the switch across the world to the Gallagher Premiership, Proctor is already relishing the prospect of a new challenge on English soil with Northampton.

                  “I am excited to have signed for such a prestigious club in Northampton Saints,” said Proctor.

                  “For a long time now, I have had the ambition of testing myself in the Northern Hemisphere and for so many reasons Northampton is a great fit for me.

                  “Not only will I have the opportunity to be coached again by Chris Boyd – the person I have worked with the most as a professional player – but I will also have the honour of joining a Club that is steeped in tradition and boasts a rich history of success.

                  “The Club and I share the same goals in wanting to achieve as much success as possible on the pitch, while also contributing to the wider rugby community off the field; so overall I am thrilled to be heading to Franklin’s Gardens.”

                  After making his Super Rugby debut in 2013, Wellington-born Proctor was part of the Hurricanes side that – under Boyd – secured the title three years later.

                  He celebrated his 50th appearance for the franchise in 2018, while also being named captain for Wellington Lions’ Mitre 10 Cup campaign.

                  In the same season Proctor then made his All Blacks Test debut against Japan in November, with his representative career also including the Maori All Blacks, New Zealand Under-20s and New Zealand Schools.

                  Boyd said: “Matt is exactly the calibre of player that we want to be bringing to Northampton – he’s a world-class talent.

                  “I obviously know first-hand what he can do having worked with him back in New Zealand, and I am confident he can slot into our back-line next year alongside the quality players we already have at Saints.

                  “At 26, Matt is entering the peak years of his career and he had the desire for a new challenge on this side of the world. We feel that he can really fill his vast potential here in Northampton.”

                  Man, these quotes by players and coaches are just so scripted by the PR people is it almost laughable. Look at this one for example of something that in my forty years or so of involvement in rugby have never, even remotely, heard a rugby player express themselves in this manner.

                  “The Club and I share the same goals in wanting to achieve as much success as possible on the pitch, while also contributing to the wider rugby community off the field; so overall I am thrilled to be heading to Franklin’s Gardens.”

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                  • KiwiMurphK KiwiMurph

                    Piutau definitely makes the World Cup squad if he had signed on past the RWC. The way they justified Naholo was basically saying "if we are choosing between two players who are close and one is staying and one is going then we select the one who is staying". If Piutau was staying they would have picked him - NZRU made him a multi year offer and iirc he made every AB squad from his debut in 2013 up until the RWC squad in 2015. He also provided more versatility than Naholo with the ability to cover fullback - not to mention he'd played 17 tests vs what 1 test Naholo had prior to RWC 2015?

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                    @KiwiMurph said in Exodus 2019:

                    Piutau definitely makes the World Cup squad if he had signed on past the RWC. The way they justified Naholo was basically saying "if we are choosing between two players who are close and one is staying and one is going then we select the one who is staying".

                    Yeah I'll take what Hansen said with a grain of salt. Of course he would take the opportunity to say that. At one of his earlier June squad selections he volunteered that two guys would have been new caps except they signed overseas but were overlooked - and the fern couldn't even come to a general consensus who one of them would be.

                    He says stuff like that, just like you can't lose your spot in the starting squad to injury (until you do) or you can't be picked playing overseas (until you can).

                    If Piutau was staying they would have picked him - NZRU made him a multi year offer and iirc he made every AB squad from his debut in 2013 up until the RWC squad in 2015.

                    At the time Piatau signed the contract Dagg and Jane had made every squad (aside from injury) for a longer time than that, and played key roles in the 2011 campaign. Both were committed until 2017. Both provided versatility. Both did not make it.

                    He also provided more versatility than Naholo with the ability to cover fullback - not to mention he'd played 17 tests vs what 1 test Naholo had prior to RWC 2015?

                    Two good arguments for his inclusion - ignoring the best argument which was that he had a broken leg. I would have selected Piatau, I just don't think it's a slam dunk Hansen would have.

                    It's a moot point though given he signed in March. If committed perhaps he gets the opportunities given to NMS in the Bledisloe and takes them with both hands. But Hansen very obviously saw Naholo as a difference maker after Super Rugby and was so weirdly committed to him that despite a mixed debut and a broken leg he took him with the idea of playing him into enough fitness to make the first XV during the pool rounds.

                    Hansen didn't see him as a difference maker and even if he did get the last back three spot he almost certainly would have been outside the match day 23.

                    This all of course forgets the irony that Waisake Naholo signed overseas before Piatau that year but was able to get out of the deal.

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                      @KiwiMurph said in Exodus 2019:

                      Piutau definitely makes the World Cup squad if he had signed on past the RWC. The way they justified Naholo was basically saying "if we are choosing between two players who are close and one is staying and one is going then we select the one who is staying".

                      Yeah I'll take what Hansen said with a grain of salt. Of course he would take the opportunity to say that. At one of his earlier June squad selections he volunteered that two guys would have been new caps except they signed overseas but were overlooked - and the fern couldn't even come to a general consensus who one of them would be.

                      He says stuff like that, just like you can't lose your spot in the starting squad to injury (until you do) or you can't be picked playing overseas (until you can).

                      If Piutau was staying they would have picked him - NZRU made him a multi year offer and iirc he made every AB squad from his debut in 2013 up until the RWC squad in 2015.

                      At the time Piatau signed the contract Dagg and Jane had made every squad (aside from injury) for a longer time than that, and played key roles in the 2011 campaign. Both were committed until 2017. Both provided versatility. Both did not make it.

                      He also provided more versatility than Naholo with the ability to cover fullback - not to mention he'd played 17 tests vs what 1 test Naholo had prior to RWC 2015?

                      Two good arguments for his inclusion - ignoring the best argument which was that he had a broken leg. I would have selected Piatau, I just don't think it's a slam dunk Hansen would have.

                      It's a moot point though given he signed in March. If committed perhaps he gets the opportunities given to NMS in the Bledisloe and takes them with both hands. But Hansen very obviously saw Naholo as a difference maker after Super Rugby and was so weirdly committed to him that despite a mixed debut and a broken leg he took him with the idea of playing him into enough fitness to make the first XV during the pool rounds.

                      Hansen didn't see him as a difference maker and even if he did get the last back three spot he almost certainly would have been outside the match day 23.

                      This all of course forgets the irony that Waisake Naholo signed overseas before Piatau that year but was able to get out of the deal.

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                      @rotated I'm not really sure what Jane and Dagg have to do with anything. Jane was 32 by 2015 and Dagg came back from injury late in 2015 and was clearly way short of his best when he played 2015 NPC - the RWC came around too soon for him in his comeback.

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                      • NepiaN Nepia

                        @taniwharugby I'm really starting to dislike Piutau. He shattered his own RWC dream to take the money and that's his choice, no need to try and convince others to do the same and as you rightly say being an 'AB' has certainly helped him earn the big bucks in Europe.

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                        @Nepia Piatau coming across like a jumped up prick who seems have forgotten it was the NZ rugby system that has made him the player he is today..
                        Did not get his way from World rugby in terms of eligibility when looking to represent Tonga at this year’s World Cup..
                        Sounding very much like a person despite the million dollar salaries has got a very big chip on his shoulder.

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                        • BonesB Bones

                          I'm intrigued as to how he's making his name. I never hear anything about him. Interesting how he's a trailblazer...doing pretty much exactly what Evans did - except Evans was much more successful and popular.

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                          @Bones said in Exodus 2019:

                          I'm intrigued as to how he's making his name. I never hear anything about him. Interesting how he's a trailblazer...doing pretty much exactly what Evans did - except Evans was much more successful and popular.

                          Evans is white.
                          Piutau is Pasifika. He's reaching out to the Pasifika players.

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                            @Bones said in Exodus 2019:

                            I'm intrigued as to how he's making his name. I never hear anything about him. Interesting how he's a trailblazer...doing pretty much exactly what Evans did - except Evans was much more successful and popular.

                            Evans is white.
                            Piutau is Pasifika. He's reaching out to the Pasifika players.

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                            @mimic said in Exodus 2019:

                            @Bones said in Exodus 2019:

                            I'm intrigued as to how he's making his name. I never hear anything about him. Interesting how he's a trailblazer...doing pretty much exactly what Evans did - except Evans was much more successful and popular.

                            Evans is white.
                            Piutau is Pasifika. He's reaching out to the Pasifika players.

                            Hmmm... I can't really say I'm convinced he's a pioneer for Pasifika players. Player with Pacific Island heritage heads north and earns good money? Unheard of right!

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                            • BonesB Bones

                              @mimic said in Exodus 2019:

                              @Bones said in Exodus 2019:

                              I'm intrigued as to how he's making his name. I never hear anything about him. Interesting how he's a trailblazer...doing pretty much exactly what Evans did - except Evans was much more successful and popular.

                              Evans is white.
                              Piutau is Pasifika. He's reaching out to the Pasifika players.

                              Hmmm... I can't really say I'm convinced he's a pioneer for Pasifika players. Player with Pacific Island heritage heads north and earns good money? Unheard of right!

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                              @Bones said in Exodus 2019:

                              @mimic said in Exodus 2019:

                              @Bones said in Exodus 2019:

                              I'm intrigued as to how he's making his name. I never hear anything about him. Interesting how he's a trailblazer...doing pretty much exactly what Evans did - except Evans was much more successful and popular.

                              Evans is white.
                              Piutau is Pasifika. He's reaching out to the Pasifika players.

                              Hmmm... I can't really say I'm convinced he's a pioneer for Pasifika players. Player with Pacific Island heritage heads north and earns good money? Unheard of right!

                              How many high profile Pasifika players choose money over (a realistic chance at) the Black jersey when they were young?

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                                @Nepia Piatau coming across like a jumped up prick who seems have forgotten it was the NZ rugby system that has made him the player he is today..
                                Did not get his way from World rugby in terms of eligibility when looking to represent Tonga at this year’s World Cup..
                                Sounding very much like a person despite the million dollar salaries has got a very big chip on his shoulder.

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                                @Steven-Harris said in Exodus 2019:

                                @Nepia Piatau coming across like a jumped up prick who seems have forgotten it was the NZ rugby system that has made him the player he is today..
                                Did not get his way from World rugby in terms of eligibility when looking to represent Tonga at this year’s World Cup..
                                Sounding very much like a person despite the million dollar salaries has got a very big chip on his shoulder.

                                Not sure it is a chip, more a justification. He must know that he sold himself short on sporting ambition for an understandable financial decision. His family has benefitted way more from his leaving NZ than if he had stayed and got more caps.
                                However, it probably eats at him a bit given that to get where he did he must be a competitive person. One way of dealing with the situation is to suggest to everyone similar that it is a good thing.

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                                • Billy TellB Billy Tell

                                  I have to say I really don’t share the love of some on this forum for proctor. Ive always found him average. It’s a loss for the canes but not really nz imo.

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                                  @Billy-Tell said in Exodus 2019:

                                  I have to say I really don’t share the love of some on this forum for proctor. Ive always found him average. It’s a loss for the canes but not really nz imo.

                                  I'm a huge Canes fan and not too concerned. He has never done a lot in my opinion. I'd rather see Laumape / Aso combo.

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                                  • KiwiMurphK KiwiMurph

                                    @rotated I'm not really sure what Jane and Dagg have to do with anything. Jane was 32 by 2015 and Dagg came back from injury late in 2015 and was clearly way short of his best when he played 2015 NPC - the RWC came around too soon for him in his comeback.

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                                    @KiwiMurph said in Exodus 2019:

                                    @rotated I'm not really sure what Jane and Dagg have to do with anything. Jane was 32 by 2015 and Dagg came back from injury late in 2015 and was clearly way short of his best when he played 2015 NPC - the RWC came around too soon for him in his comeback.

                                    They were the general consensus was they were other two in the frame with Piatau, Naholo and NMS for two spots.

                                    The NZRU assisted Naholo to reneg on his contract with Clermont (??) that year, so any obligation to take Piatau to the RWC on the basis of a new contract would have counted double for Naholo.

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                                    • mimicM mimic

                                      @Bones said in Exodus 2019:

                                      @mimic said in Exodus 2019:

                                      @Bones said in Exodus 2019:

                                      I'm intrigued as to how he's making his name. I never hear anything about him. Interesting how he's a trailblazer...doing pretty much exactly what Evans did - except Evans was much more successful and popular.

                                      Evans is white.
                                      Piutau is Pasifika. He's reaching out to the Pasifika players.

                                      Hmmm... I can't really say I'm convinced he's a pioneer for Pasifika players. Player with Pacific Island heritage heads north and earns good money? Unheard of right!

                                      How many high profile Pasifika players choose money over (a realistic chance at) the Black jersey when they were young?

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                                      @mimic said in Exodus 2019:

                                      How many high profile Pasifika players choose money over (a realistic chance at) the Black jersey when they were young?

                                      A decent number. It's just that they tend to leave early and play their whole careers overseas. There's a few pull on England etc jumpers instead. Some elect to play for Australia come to that. Japan's got a few too.

                                      I think we just tend to lose the ones who think of themselves as whatever Island first, and Kiwis second. We tend to keep the ones who think of themselves as Kiwis first, and Islanders second. I'm not worried about losing the mercenaries -- they were never going to be much interested in playing for the black jumper as the priority and earning good money as a nice benefit.

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                                      • HigginsH Higgins

                                        @sparky said in Exodus 2019:

                                        Matt Proctor signs for Northampton Saints, linking up with former Hurricanes coach Chris Boyd:

                                        https://www.northamptonsaints.co.uk/news/saints-sign-new-zealand-centre-matt-proctor

                                        Saints sign New Zealand centre Matt Proctor

                                        Friday, January 11 2019.
                                        Northampton Saints can today announce that Kiwi centre Matt Proctor will join the Club from Super Rugby franchise Hurricanes. The 26-year-old New Zealand international is director of rugby Chris Boyd’s first new signing for next season, with a raft of current Saints already penning deals to remain at Franklin’s Gardens.

                                        While comfortable both on the wing and at fullback, Proctor has established himself as one of the best midfielders in the Southern Hemisphere in recent seasons.

                                        And after committing to make the switch across the world to the Gallagher Premiership, Proctor is already relishing the prospect of a new challenge on English soil with Northampton.

                                        “I am excited to have signed for such a prestigious club in Northampton Saints,” said Proctor.

                                        “For a long time now, I have had the ambition of testing myself in the Northern Hemisphere and for so many reasons Northampton is a great fit for me.

                                        “Not only will I have the opportunity to be coached again by Chris Boyd – the person I have worked with the most as a professional player – but I will also have the honour of joining a Club that is steeped in tradition and boasts a rich history of success.

                                        “The Club and I share the same goals in wanting to achieve as much success as possible on the pitch, while also contributing to the wider rugby community off the field; so overall I am thrilled to be heading to Franklin’s Gardens.”

                                        After making his Super Rugby debut in 2013, Wellington-born Proctor was part of the Hurricanes side that – under Boyd – secured the title three years later.

                                        He celebrated his 50th appearance for the franchise in 2018, while also being named captain for Wellington Lions’ Mitre 10 Cup campaign.

                                        In the same season Proctor then made his All Blacks Test debut against Japan in November, with his representative career also including the Maori All Blacks, New Zealand Under-20s and New Zealand Schools.

                                        Boyd said: “Matt is exactly the calibre of player that we want to be bringing to Northampton – he’s a world-class talent.

                                        “I obviously know first-hand what he can do having worked with him back in New Zealand, and I am confident he can slot into our back-line next year alongside the quality players we already have at Saints.

                                        “At 26, Matt is entering the peak years of his career and he had the desire for a new challenge on this side of the world. We feel that he can really fill his vast potential here in Northampton.”

                                        Man, these quotes by players and coaches are just so scripted by the PR people is it almost laughable. Look at this one for example of something that in my forty years or so of involvement in rugby have never, even remotely, heard a rugby player express themselves in this manner.

                                        “The Club and I share the same goals in wanting to achieve as much success as possible on the pitch, while also contributing to the wider rugby community off the field; so overall I am thrilled to be heading to Franklin’s Gardens.”

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                                        @Higgins said in Exodus 2019:

                                        @sparky said in Exodus 2019:

                                        Matt Proctor signs for Northampton Saints, linking up with former Hurricanes coach Chris Boyd:

                                        https://www.northamptonsaints.co.uk/news/saints-sign-new-zealand-centre-matt-proctor

                                        Saints sign New Zealand centre Matt Proctor

                                        Friday, January 11 2019.
                                        Northampton Saints can today announce that Kiwi centre Matt Proctor will join the Club from Super Rugby franchise Hurricanes. The 26-year-old New Zealand international is director of rugby Chris Boyd’s first new signing for next season, with a raft of current Saints already penning deals to remain at Franklin’s Gardens.

                                        While comfortable both on the wing and at fullback, Proctor has established himself as one of the best midfielders in the Southern Hemisphere in recent seasons.

                                        And after committing to make the switch across the world to the Gallagher Premiership, Proctor is already relishing the prospect of a new challenge on English soil with Northampton.

                                        “I am excited to have signed for such a prestigious club in Northampton Saints,” said Proctor.

                                        “For a long time now, I have had the ambition of testing myself in the Northern Hemisphere and for so many reasons Northampton is a great fit for me.

                                        “Not only will I have the opportunity to be coached again by Chris Boyd – the person I have worked with the most as a professional player – but I will also have the honour of joining a Club that is steeped in tradition and boasts a rich history of success.

                                        “The Club and I share the same goals in wanting to achieve as much success as possible on the pitch, while also contributing to the wider rugby community off the field; so overall I am thrilled to be heading to Franklin’s Gardens.”

                                        After making his Super Rugby debut in 2013, Wellington-born Proctor was part of the Hurricanes side that – under Boyd – secured the title three years later.

                                        He celebrated his 50th appearance for the franchise in 2018, while also being named captain for Wellington Lions’ Mitre 10 Cup campaign.

                                        In the same season Proctor then made his All Blacks Test debut against Japan in November, with his representative career also including the Maori All Blacks, New Zealand Under-20s and New Zealand Schools.

                                        Boyd said: “Matt is exactly the calibre of player that we want to be bringing to Northampton – he’s a world-class talent.

                                        “I obviously know first-hand what he can do having worked with him back in New Zealand, and I am confident he can slot into our back-line next year alongside the quality players we already have at Saints.

                                        “At 26, Matt is entering the peak years of his career and he had the desire for a new challenge on this side of the world. We feel that he can really fill his vast potential here in Northampton.”

                                        Man, these quotes by players and coaches are just so scripted by the PR people is it almost laughable. Look at this one for example of something that in my forty years or so of involvement in rugby have never, even remotely, heard a rugby player express themselves in this manner.

                                        “The Club and I share the same goals in wanting to achieve as much success as possible on the pitch, while also contributing to the wider rugby community off the field; so overall I am thrilled to be heading to Franklin’s Gardens.”

                                        Corporate wank speak 101. Outstanding. Not in a good way.

                                        As for Piatau given that none of us have been ABs its pretty rich those posters making assumptions on his behalf. Almost like they're offended on behalf of NZ. He's gone. So what ? Plenty of others on the conveyer belt ready to take over just like any job really.

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                                          @Higgins said in Exodus 2019:

                                          @sparky said in Exodus 2019:

                                          Matt Proctor signs for Northampton Saints, linking up with former Hurricanes coach Chris Boyd:

                                          https://www.northamptonsaints.co.uk/news/saints-sign-new-zealand-centre-matt-proctor

                                          Saints sign New Zealand centre Matt Proctor

                                          Friday, January 11 2019.
                                          Northampton Saints can today announce that Kiwi centre Matt Proctor will join the Club from Super Rugby franchise Hurricanes. The 26-year-old New Zealand international is director of rugby Chris Boyd’s first new signing for next season, with a raft of current Saints already penning deals to remain at Franklin’s Gardens.

                                          While comfortable both on the wing and at fullback, Proctor has established himself as one of the best midfielders in the Southern Hemisphere in recent seasons.

                                          And after committing to make the switch across the world to the Gallagher Premiership, Proctor is already relishing the prospect of a new challenge on English soil with Northampton.

                                          “I am excited to have signed for such a prestigious club in Northampton Saints,” said Proctor.

                                          “For a long time now, I have had the ambition of testing myself in the Northern Hemisphere and for so many reasons Northampton is a great fit for me.

                                          “Not only will I have the opportunity to be coached again by Chris Boyd – the person I have worked with the most as a professional player – but I will also have the honour of joining a Club that is steeped in tradition and boasts a rich history of success.

                                          “The Club and I share the same goals in wanting to achieve as much success as possible on the pitch, while also contributing to the wider rugby community off the field; so overall I am thrilled to be heading to Franklin’s Gardens.”

                                          After making his Super Rugby debut in 2013, Wellington-born Proctor was part of the Hurricanes side that – under Boyd – secured the title three years later.

                                          He celebrated his 50th appearance for the franchise in 2018, while also being named captain for Wellington Lions’ Mitre 10 Cup campaign.

                                          In the same season Proctor then made his All Blacks Test debut against Japan in November, with his representative career also including the Maori All Blacks, New Zealand Under-20s and New Zealand Schools.

                                          Boyd said: “Matt is exactly the calibre of player that we want to be bringing to Northampton – he’s a world-class talent.

                                          “I obviously know first-hand what he can do having worked with him back in New Zealand, and I am confident he can slot into our back-line next year alongside the quality players we already have at Saints.

                                          “At 26, Matt is entering the peak years of his career and he had the desire for a new challenge on this side of the world. We feel that he can really fill his vast potential here in Northampton.”

                                          Man, these quotes by players and coaches are just so scripted by the PR people is it almost laughable. Look at this one for example of something that in my forty years or so of involvement in rugby have never, even remotely, heard a rugby player express themselves in this manner.

                                          “The Club and I share the same goals in wanting to achieve as much success as possible on the pitch, while also contributing to the wider rugby community off the field; so overall I am thrilled to be heading to Franklin’s Gardens.”

                                          Corporate wank speak 101. Outstanding. Not in a good way.

                                          As for Piatau given that none of us have been ABs its pretty rich those posters making assumptions on his behalf. Almost like they're offended on behalf of NZ. He's gone. So what ? Plenty of others on the conveyer belt ready to take over just like any job really.

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                                          @MN5 dont entirely agree...I'm not bothered he left (sure he was talented and could well have been an awesome AB)) I am annoyed by his supposed 'trailblazing' that this is what all people should do (Sopoaga is walking a similar path) he was hard done by missing out on RWC selection so follow his path turn your back on that jersey that gave you the big step up to where you are now, and follow him cos it's waaaaay better.

                                          Sure I might be overstating it, but he does come across with a bit of a chip and maybe also a hint of regret but is trying to overcompensate by claiming he is a trail blazer.

                                          Each to thier own...IMO, he stays, he definitely makes RWC squad (and earlier tests) ahead of either NMS or Naholo, but he signed elsewhere they went with options committed to NZR.

                                          Good on him he is making a good career and making a ton of money for him and his family, but the 'tone' of all the articles about him and Sopoaga (I know these are probably more media driven) is a bit precious.

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