Black Caps v India
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@mariner4life Our decline in fielding is something that particularly smarts for me. That used to be out thing. Average batting, maybe a star in bowling but not backed up by much, but by crikey we could field, and that ability to take sharp catches and runouts and save singles, cut off boundaries, kept us way more competitive than we should have been. I think we have been overtaken by many countries now in that area.
@Mokey said in Black Caps v India:
@mariner4life Our decline in fielding is something that particularly smarts for me. That used to be out thing. Average batting, maybe a star in bowling but not backed up by much, but by crikey we could field, and that ability to take sharp catches and runouts and save singles, cut off boundaries, kept us way more competitive than we should have been. I think we have been overtaken by many countries now in that area.
that doesn't surprise me, because it's something you can improve regardless of talent level. An ordinary team can still be exceptional in the field.
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@mariner4life Our decline in fielding is something that particularly smarts for me. That used to be out thing. Average batting, maybe a star in bowling but not backed up by much, but by crikey we could field, and that ability to take sharp catches and runouts and save singles, cut off boundaries, kept us way more competitive than we should have been. I think we have been overtaken by many countries now in that area.
@Mokey said in Black Caps v India:
@mariner4life Our decline in fielding is something that particularly smarts for me. That used to be out thing. Average batting, maybe a star in bowling but not backed up by much, but by crikey we could field, and that ability to take sharp catches and runouts and save singles, cut off boundaries, kept us way more competitive than we should have been. I think we have been overtaken by many countries now in that area.
Fielders on the whole have improved in world cricket overall except us and the Windies, the latter still seem to be a bit cool to actually dive and make an effort.
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I've bagged out the Indians in the past. Like, a lot. Their team was massively over-rated by their dominance at home, but then they sucked on the road.
Those days are well gone. That attack they have assembled is fucking classy. This summer, in Aus and in NZ, they have won games by regularly taking wickets throughout innings. They are able to build pressure with consistent plans; they have seamers with genuine pace; and of course the ubiquitous classy Indian spinners.
They are then backed up by a strong, if not dominant, batting lineup (led by a genuine star in Kohli) who are benefiting from the attack not putting them under too much pressure. Fuckers have learned to field as well.
It's been a nice little romp through Australasia for them this summer, and a great warm up for later in the year.
Watching yesterday it was amazing to watch two of our best ever batsmen get frustrated as the Indian's just gave them nothing.
Amazing to see an Indian team come here, take 3 times as many wickets as us, and then run down our meagre totals without anyone racking up a big score.
@mariner4life said in Black Caps v India:
I've bagged out the Indians in the past. Like, a lot. Their team was massively over-rated by their dominance at home, but then they sucked on the road.
Those days are well gone. That attack they have assembled is fucking classy. This summer, in Aus and in NZ, they have won games by regularly taking wickets throughout innings. They are able to build pressure with consistent plans; they have seamers with genuine pace; and of course the ubiquitous classy Indian spinners.
They are then backed up by a strong, if not dominant, batting lineup (led by a genuine star in Kohli) who are benefiting from the attack not putting them under too much pressure. Fuckers have learned to field as well.
It's been a nice little romp through Australasia for them this summer, and a great warm up for later in the year.
Watching yesterday it was amazing to watch two of our best ever batsmen get frustrated as the Indian's just gave them nothing.
Amazing to see an Indian team come here, take 3 times as many wickets as us, and then run down our meagre totals without anyone racking up a big score.
Yes - they're better than I expected.
Though, I think we've been worse than we should be - especially the batsmen (and I agree about the fielding).
I'm inclined to think we've come into this series in cruise mode after beating up on Sri Lanka, while the Indians have been hardened with a couple of tough months in Australia.
That we've done slightly better in each game points to this - and there's significant improvement available in the likes of Nicholls, Guptill and even Little Kane - and if we put the walking wicket on the sidelines and bring in Neesham.
Less improvement available among the bowlers. Neesham offers a bit more pace than Bracewell and Southee a bit more experience - but, as I said earlier - Boult is our only really good bowler. Watching yesterday reminded me of the days of Sir Paddles - when he was having a spell you basically waited until he came back before you really expected to make many inroads.
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Talking of NZ cricketers getting beaten...did anyone watch the rugby v cricket T20 at Hagley oval? Rugby won easily (and took some great catches.)
Cricket team included Fleming, Astle, Mills, Harris, Marshall, Franklin, Liz Perry and others.
Rugby team included McCaw, Read, Dagg, J Barrett, B Barrett, B Mac (who was actually quite shit and dropped a sitter) Kendra Cocksedge and others.That group of guys, Hart, Wells etc did the commentary. Maybe they are better at other games, but they were not in the slightest bit funny. Or interesting. Sumo on the sidelines was good though.
@Mokey said in Black Caps v India:
That group of guys, Hart, Wells etc did the commentary. Maybe they are better at other games, but they were not in the slightest bit funny. Or interesting.
I think they are a bit better when they are on a medium that lets them go a little bit blue. Even though they weren't able to discuss the usual topics like Pakistani backhanders or "Racism, pros and cons?" their cricket knowledge is pretty strong. Their labeling of McCaw's action as a left-arm Martin Snedden and Baudey as Jeremy Coney was spot on IMO.
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I found the commentary amusing, but then again I enjoy Bhuja TV.
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I've bagged out the Indians in the past. Like, a lot. Their team was massively over-rated by their dominance at home, but then they sucked on the road.
Those days are well gone. That attack they have assembled is fucking classy. This summer, in Aus and in NZ, they have won games by regularly taking wickets throughout innings. They are able to build pressure with consistent plans; they have seamers with genuine pace; and of course the ubiquitous classy Indian spinners.
They are then backed up by a strong, if not dominant, batting lineup (led by a genuine star in Kohli) who are benefiting from the attack not putting them under too much pressure. Fuckers have learned to field as well.
It's been a nice little romp through Australasia for them this summer, and a great warm up for later in the year.
Watching yesterday it was amazing to watch two of our best ever batsmen get frustrated as the Indian's just gave them nothing.
Amazing to see an Indian team come here, take 3 times as many wickets as us, and then run down our meagre totals without anyone racking up a big score.
@mariner4life said in Black Caps v India:
I've bagged out the Indians in the past. Like, a lot. Their team was massively over-rated by their dominance at home, but then they sucked on the road.
Those days are well gone. That attack they have assembled is fucking classy. This summer, in Aus and in NZ, they have won games by regularly taking wickets throughout innings. They are able to build pressure with consistent plans; they have seamers with genuine pace; and of course the ubiquitous classy Indian spinners.
They are then backed up by a strong, if not dominant, batting lineup (led by a genuine star in Kohli) who are benefiting from the attack not putting them under too much pressure. Fuckers have learned to field as well.
It's been a nice little romp through Australasia for them this summer, and a great warm up for later in the year.
Watching yesterday it was amazing to watch two of our best ever batsmen get frustrated as the Indian's just gave them nothing.
Amazing to see an Indian team come here, take 3 times as many wickets as us, and then run down our meagre totals without anyone racking up a big score.
And Jaspreet Bumrah isn't even playing yet. Career Econ rate of 3 something in ODIs in the days of 330 par scores.
Felt good to read that as an Indian fan - too many years of having a talented team that underwhelmed away from home often.
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No direct discussion as yet on todays' game just illustrates how little interest there is left in these two dead rubbers.
@shark said in Black Caps v India:
No direct discussion as yet on todays' game just illustrates how little interest there is left in these two dead rubbers.
Think a lot of people fell off the bandwagon this series, just watching from a safe distance to see if we can nab a win before jumping back on.
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@shark said in Black Caps v India:
No direct discussion as yet on todays' game just illustrates how little interest there is left in these two dead rubbers.
Think a lot of people fell off the bandwagon this series, just watching from a safe distance to see if we can nab a win before jumping back on.
@No-Quarter said in Black Caps v India:
@shark said in Black Caps v India:
No direct discussion as yet on todays' game just illustrates how little interest there is left in these two dead rubbers.
Think a lot of people fell off the bandwagon this series, just watching from a safe distance to see if we can nab a win before jumping back on.
I'm still keen on the rest of theses matches. Just disappointed it is a D/N as it would be great to have on at work
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Also Kohli going home takes away a fair amount of interest. Beating them with no Kohli and Bumrah puts a fairly large asterisk next to the W.
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Also Kohli going home takes away a fair amount of interest. Beating them with no Kohli and Bumrah puts a fairly large asterisk next to the W.
@No-Quarter said in Black Caps v India:
Also Kohli going home takes away a fair amount of interest. Beating them with no Kohli and Bumrah puts a fairly large asterisk next to the W.
Maybe but getting smoked by them without those two also puts a lot of ??????? on the team too.
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@shark said in Black Caps v India:
No direct discussion as yet on todays' game just illustrates how little interest there is left in these two dead rubbers.
Think a lot of people fell off the bandwagon this series, just watching from a safe distance to see if we can nab a win before jumping back on.
@No-Quarter said in Black Caps v India:
@shark said in Black Caps v India:
No direct discussion as yet on todays' game just illustrates how little interest there is left in these two dead rubbers.
Think a lot of people fell off the bandwagon this series, just watching from a safe distance to see if we can nab a win before jumping back on.
Still watching intently from this corner of the bandwagon, just have a nagging feeling that this is a series where we're simply outclassed....
Hoping for a win where India have no Kohli and they maybe relax after wrapping up the series, and tighten up slightly at having no Kohli to bat with them.
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@No-Quarter said in Black Caps v India:
@shark said in Black Caps v India:
No direct discussion as yet on todays' game just illustrates how little interest there is left in these two dead rubbers.
Think a lot of people fell off the bandwagon this series, just watching from a safe distance to see if we can nab a win before jumping back on.
Still watching intently from this corner of the bandwagon, just have a nagging feeling that this is a series where we're simply outclassed....
Hoping for a win where India have no Kohli and they maybe relax after wrapping up the series, and tighten up slightly at having no Kohli to bat with them.
@Donsteppa said in Black Caps v India:
@No-Quarter said in Black Caps v India:
@shark said in Black Caps v India:
No direct discussion as yet on todays' game just illustrates how little interest there is left in these two dead rubbers.
Think a lot of people fell off the bandwagon this series, just watching from a safe distance to see if we can nab a win before jumping back on.
Still watching intently from this corner of the bandwagon, just have a nagging feeling that this is a series where we're simply outclassed....
Hoping for a win where India have no Kohli and they maybe relax after wrapping up the series, and tighten up slightly at having no Kohli to bat with them.
Oh yeah I will always be on the bandwagon no matter how damaged it gets. And unlike @Hooroo I am happy it is a D/N as I will be able to tune in after work, as some of us actually have to work when we're at "work".
But I can see how interest has waned a bit given the hidings we've taken. We seem strongest in the test arena at the moment, which is crazy given how few we play.
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@Donsteppa said in Black Caps v India:
@No-Quarter said in Black Caps v India:
@shark said in Black Caps v India:
No direct discussion as yet on todays' game just illustrates how little interest there is left in these two dead rubbers.
Think a lot of people fell off the bandwagon this series, just watching from a safe distance to see if we can nab a win before jumping back on.
Still watching intently from this corner of the bandwagon, just have a nagging feeling that this is a series where we're simply outclassed....
Hoping for a win where India have no Kohli and they maybe relax after wrapping up the series, and tighten up slightly at having no Kohli to bat with them.
Oh yeah I will always be on the bandwagon no matter how damaged it gets. And unlike @Hooroo I am happy it is a D/N as I will be able to tune in after work, as some of us actually have to work when we're at "work".
But I can see how interest has waned a bit given the hidings we've taken. We seem strongest in the test arena at the moment, which is crazy given how few we play.
@No-Quarter said in Black Caps v India:
@Donsteppa said in Black Caps v India:
@No-Quarter said in Black Caps v India:
@shark said in Black Caps v India:
No direct discussion as yet on todays' game just illustrates how little interest there is left in these two dead rubbers.
Think a lot of people fell off the bandwagon this series, just watching from a safe distance to see if we can nab a win before jumping back on.
Still watching intently from this corner of the bandwagon, just have a nagging feeling that this is a series where we're simply outclassed....
Hoping for a win where India have no Kohli and they maybe relax after wrapping up the series, and tighten up slightly at having no Kohli to bat with them.
Oh yeah I will always be on the bandwagon no matter how damaged it gets. And unlike @Hooroo I am happy it is a D/N as I will be able to tune in after work, as some of us actually have to work when we're at "work".
But I can see how interest has waned a bit given the hidings we've taken. We seem strongest in the test arena at the moment, which is crazy given how few we play.
I know, there's been so many articles saying this is our best ever team and notwithstanding Paddles and co efforts in the 80s I truly believe it is in all forms.
Unfortunately India are crazy Good, probably better.
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@No-Quarter said in Black Caps v India:
@shark said in Black Caps v India:
No direct discussion as yet on todays' game just illustrates how little interest there is left in these two dead rubbers.
Think a lot of people fell off the bandwagon this series, just watching from a safe distance to see if we can nab a win before jumping back on.
Still watching intently from this corner of the bandwagon, just have a nagging feeling that this is a series where we're simply outclassed....
Hoping for a win where India have no Kohli and they maybe relax after wrapping up the series, and tighten up slightly at having no Kohli to bat with them.
@Donsteppa I'm still watching intently from over here, as well.
I think our batsmen have performed poorly in this series- rather than that we've just been completely outclassed.
Our bowlers not so much - they've been about par, but maybe Tim Southee should have been higher up the pecking order than I (and Stead) thought.
I go back to this series from 15 months ago - pretty much the same teams and we were very competitive.
What's changed?
India has got much better or our batsmen have been much worse?
http://www.espncricinfo.com/scores/series/18028/nz-in-ind-odis-2017-18
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@Donsteppa said in Black Caps v India:
@No-Quarter said in Black Caps v India:
@shark said in Black Caps v India:
No direct discussion as yet on todays' game just illustrates how little interest there is left in these two dead rubbers.
Think a lot of people fell off the bandwagon this series, just watching from a safe distance to see if we can nab a win before jumping back on.
Still watching intently from this corner of the bandwagon, just have a nagging feeling that this is a series where we're simply outclassed....
Hoping for a win where India have no Kohli and they maybe relax after wrapping up the series, and tighten up slightly at having no Kohli to bat with them.
Oh yeah I will always be on the bandwagon no matter how damaged it gets. And unlike @Hooroo I am happy it is a D/N as I will be able to tune in after work, as some of us actually have to work when we're at "work".
But I can see how interest has waned a bit given the hidings we've taken. We seem strongest in the test arena at the moment, which is crazy given how few we play.
@No-Quarter said in Black Caps v India:
@Donsteppa said in Black Caps v India:
@No-Quarter said in Black Caps v India:
@shark said in Black Caps v India:
No direct discussion as yet on todays' game just illustrates how little interest there is left in these two dead rubbers.
Think a lot of people fell off the bandwagon this series, just watching from a safe distance to see if we can nab a win before jumping back on.
Still watching intently from this corner of the bandwagon, just have a nagging feeling that this is a series where we're simply outclassed....
Hoping for a win where India have no Kohli and they maybe relax after wrapping up the series, and tighten up slightly at having no Kohli to bat with them.
Oh yeah I will always be on the bandwagon no matter how damaged it gets. And unlike @Hooroo I am happy it is a D/N as I will be able to tune in after work, as some of us actually have to work when we're at "work".
But I can see how interest has waned a bit given the hidings we've taken. We seem strongest in the test arena at the moment, which is crazy given how few we play.
Hey hey hey!! That is one of my few multitasking skills!!!
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The craziest thing with this team and it's lack of runs? We have in our top four, three of NZ's 5 greatest ODI batsmen of all time. Taylor is a clear #1, in my book.
@shark said in Black Caps v India:
The craziest thing with this team and it's lack of runs? We have in our top four, three of NZ's 5 greatest ODI batsmen of all time. Taylor is a clear #1, in my book.
That's pretty sad reading. It's not like it's Vincent, the Marshall, Styris or any other battlers......They are as you say our very best ever.
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I care, but sheesh these fullas are bloody good. Frustrating that we've gone so long with only Taylor firing to any level. It's still hard to tell how big the gap is between us, are we playing average as well as them putting us under pressure? or are we just genuinely not in their league?
In a weird kind of way if someone like Munro fires it's kind of too little too late imo (at least for him). It'd be better to see Guppy and Kane hit some form as we know they are locked in. In saying that it seems Munro still has plenty of leeway - but how long will that last?
Bowlers can kind of push back till we get a defensible total. Boult is going pretty well, but has had fuck all support.
