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6 Nations 2019

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    Only if he can demonstrate a Plan B.

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      Endless kicking bores me.

      That start be England was awesome and I actually clapped the TV

      The first Irish try was held up for all money

      Ireland are still great at holding the ball but don't know what to do with it

      Youngs is stopping England being a better attacking team be being too slow.

      The whole tournament was turned on its head this morning

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      • Crazy HorseC Crazy Horse

        @Bones said in 6 Nations 2019:

        Why do you say he was in front?

        Because he was in front 😀

        I meant generally it can be hard to tell if someone is in front or not because of the camera angles etc. Not necessarily referring to that try. I can see why that try wasn't overturned It would have taken some balls to do it on that evidence.

        Hopefully an Irish fan produces a photo with a hand drawn line across the pitch proving I am right!

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        @Crazy-Horse said in 6 Nations 2019:

        @Bones said in 6 Nations 2019:

        Why do you say he was in front?

        Because he was in front 😀

        I meant generally it can be hard to tell if someone is in front or not because of the camera angles etc. Not necessarily referring to that try. I can see why that try wasn't overturned It would have taken some balls to do it on that evidence.

        Hopefully an Irish fan produces a photo with a hand drawn line across the pitch proving I am right!

        From the footage he was in front before the kick, after but at the time of the kick, there wasn't anything conclusive showing him to be in front. One of those freeze frame doesn't tell the story situations.

        Still, the better team won.

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          https://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=12200385

          Gifford at his usual sanctimonious best.

          Would have been delighted if NZ had played like that in Autumn. For the record England scored 4 tries and NZ none.

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            Today, England are the obvious favorites for the WC title. But things may change till October. Don't forget the ABs looked pretty exhausted in November when they faced England and Ireland. I think that a rested and fit AB team is still the best in the world. This England team have a few players who aren't worldclass (Daly, Nowell, Kruis, George, Sinckler) and their bench is far from impressive.

            Moody - Vunipola = even
            Taylor/Coles - George = advantage NZ
            Franks - Sinckler = even
            Retallick - Itoje = advantage NZ
            Whitelock - Kruis = advantage NZ
            Squire - Wilson = advantage England
            Cane/Savea - Curry/Underhill = even
            Read - Vunipola = even
            Smith - Youngs = advantage NZ
            Barrett - Farrell = they are so different they can't be compared
            Ioane - May = advantage NZ
            Crotty - Tuilagi = advantage England
            Goodhue - Slade = even
            Naholo - Nowell = advantage NZ
            Smith - Daly = advantage NZ

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              All the 6 Nations sides, with the exception of Italy have much more advanced, disciplined and relentless defence systems than the 2018 ABs. Is Scott McLeod up to the task of outwitting Cueball, Shaun Edwards, Andy Farrell and co? It looks probably that ruthlessly-drilled defence will shut out the AB's attack flair in 2019.

              On the other hand, the 6 Nations sides are all offside a lot. So much so that their defensive systems rely on lazy officiating. If World Rugby persuade the refs to start policing the defensive offside lines again, advantage back to the Rugby Championship sides

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              • Crazy HorseC Crazy Horse

                Just saw Slade's try. He was in front of the kicker, no question. I'd be pissed if that try was awarded against the ABs.

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                @Crazy-Horse Have you seen the slow motion shot? Slade was behind the ball (just) at the moment when May kicked it.

                I thought disallowing Mako Vunipola a try before half time was harsh.

                More dubious to me was the Daly try. Nowell took out Stockdale when he didn't have the ball.

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                  @Crazy-Horse Have you seen the slow motion shot? Slade was behind the ball (just) at the moment when May kicked it.

                  I thought disallowing Mako Vunipola a try before half time was harsh.

                  More dubious to me was the Daly try. Nowell took out Stockdale when he didn't have the ball.

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                  @sparky said in 6 Nations 2019:

                  More dubious to me was the Daly try. Nowell took out Stockdale when he didn't have the ball.

                  Ahh, you're allowed to tackle someone who has possession and just because he's juggling it doesn't make him immune. Otherwise you could juggle it through a defensive line.

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                    I know that but Stockdale was going backwards and he had lost the ball at the time of impact by Nowell.

                    You could argue Nowell was committed to the tackle when Stockdale still was fumbling around with the ball. Surprised no discussion about the try anyway.

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                      According to The Guardian, Aura has grabbed her passport and has left the Irish Republic. Puncture wound, apparently.

                      "Ireland will surely be better than this but the shamrock aura has been unceremoniously pierced."

                      Ireland’s Johnny Sexton fails to lift wilting shamrock against England

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                        @Crazy-Horse Have you seen the slow motion shot? Slade was behind the ball (just) at the moment when May kicked it.

                        I thought disallowing Mako Vunipola a try before half time was harsh.

                        More dubious to me was the Daly try. Nowell took out Stockdale when he didn't have the ball.

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                        @sparky said in 6 Nations 2019:

                        @Crazy-Horse Have you seen the slow motion shot? Slade was behind the ball (just) at the moment when May kicked it.

                        I thought disallowing Mako Vunipola a try before half time was harsh.

                        More dubious to me was the Daly try. Nowell took out Stockdale when he didn't have the ball.

                        I had no real problems with any of the calls on the tries and non-try at the time. Vunipola's non-try looked to me to be just that. Healy's try on reviewing was slightly suss and I'm now surprised that Garces didn't go to the TMO, but to me at the time it wasn't that obvious so I guess Garces should get the same leeway. Daley's try was fine, Ringrose was in contact with the ball when Nowell commenced the tackle, just because he subsequently lost it doesn't make that an off the ball tackle.

                        All in all a proper test match, ferocious, committed and in truth the result could have gone either way up until Slade's first try, after that a bit too much of a mountain for the men in green.

                        Edit: Looking again at the first Slade try, there's been no mention and in truth I didn't notice it at the time, of Henshaw (last line of defence) taking out May after the kick ahead.

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                        • CatograndeC Catogrande

                          @sparky said in 6 Nations 2019:

                          @Crazy-Horse Have you seen the slow motion shot? Slade was behind the ball (just) at the moment when May kicked it.

                          I thought disallowing Mako Vunipola a try before half time was harsh.

                          More dubious to me was the Daly try. Nowell took out Stockdale when he didn't have the ball.

                          I had no real problems with any of the calls on the tries and non-try at the time. Vunipola's non-try looked to me to be just that. Healy's try on reviewing was slightly suss and I'm now surprised that Garces didn't go to the TMO, but to me at the time it wasn't that obvious so I guess Garces should get the same leeway. Daley's try was fine, Ringrose was in contact with the ball when Nowell commenced the tackle, just because he subsequently lost it doesn't make that an off the ball tackle.

                          All in all a proper test match, ferocious, committed and in truth the result could have gone either way up until Slade's first try, after that a bit too much of a mountain for the men in green.

                          Edit: Looking again at the first Slade try, there's been no mention and in truth I didn't notice it at the time, of Henshaw (last line of defence) taking out May after the kick ahead.

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                          @Catogrande
                          It wasn't Ringrose but Stockdale.

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                            @Catogrande
                            It wasn't Ringrose but Stockdale.

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                            @cgrant said in 6 Nations 2019:

                            @Catogrande
                            It wasn't Ringrose but Stockdale.

                            My bad, you’re right. Opposition - they all look the same to me.

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                            • Victor MeldrewV Victor Meldrew

                              According to The Guardian, Aura has grabbed her passport and has left the Irish Republic. Puncture wound, apparently.

                              "Ireland will surely be better than this but the shamrock aura has been unceremoniously pierced."

                              Ireland’s Johnny Sexton fails to lift wilting shamrock against England

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                              @Victor-Meldrew said in 6 Nations 2019:

                              According to The Guardian, Aura has grabbed her passport and has left the Irish Republic. Puncture wound, apparently.

                              "Ireland will surely be better than this but the shamrock aura has been unceremoniously pierced."

                              Ireland’s Johnny Sexton fails to lift wilting shamrock against England

                              Aura & Rugby: a History

                              All Blacks 1903-2017 (Except for 1948, 1992, 1998, World Cups 1991-2007 and some years ending in 3 playing England)

                              Australia 1983-1992 (As known as the Campese effect)

                              South Africa 1995-1996 (cf. The Mandela Aura)

                              France 1970s-2011 (French Flair: when you least expected it)

                              England 2002-2003 (As known as the Woodward years) 2019 (Some sights of a reappearance)

                              Wales: The 1970s (Including when Wales players represented the Barbarians)

                              Ireland: November 2018-January 2019 (Monte Carlo special)

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                                A reading from St Patrick to the Kiwians

                                All England tries were legit.
                                Ireland were shit.

                                Here endeth the lesson.

                                In other news, all the losers will play the winners in Round Two.
                                Scot v Irl
                                Ita v Wal
                                Eng v Fra

                                If all three continue to win, it makes Round 3 very interesting with
                                Sco v Fra and Wal v Eng.

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                                  A reading from St Patrick to the Kiwians

                                  All England tries were legit.
                                  Ireland were shit.

                                  Here endeth the lesson.

                                  In other news, all the losers will play the winners in Round Two.
                                  Scot v Irl
                                  Ita v Wal
                                  Eng v Fra

                                  If all three continue to win, it makes Round 3 very interesting with
                                  Sco v Fra and Wal v Eng.

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                                  @Derm-McCrum said in 6 Nations 2019:

                                  A reading from St Patrick to the Kiwians

                                  ...Ireland were shit.....

                                  A bit harsh mate, perhaps judging on recent form your expectations are leading you down this road?

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                                    England are now holders of the Raeburn Shield:

                                    http://www.raeburnshield.com/previousholders/

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                                      I see everyone rushing to anoint England as RWC favs, Rattue included. If there's anything I've learnt, it's that one game means nothing - if England roll all and sundry in the 6N, then let's talk.

                                      I can't think of such favorable external circumstances for NZ for this RWC - no hometown advantage, except for Japan who are not contenders, and for once NZ are unlikely to be outright favourites.

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                                        A reading from St Patrick to the Kiwians

                                        All England tries were legit.
                                        Ireland were shit.

                                        Here endeth the lesson.

                                        In other news, all the losers will play the winners in Round Two.
                                        Scot v Irl
                                        Ita v Wal
                                        Eng v Fra

                                        If all three continue to win, it makes Round 3 very interesting with
                                        Sco v Fra and Wal v Eng.

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                                        @Derm-McCrum said in 6 Nations 2019:

                                        In other news, all the losers will play the winners in Round Two.
                                        Scot v Irl

                                        Could be a cracking game.

                                        The Jocks are a tough proposition at Murrayfield, play attacking Rugby and you wonder how much Ireland's confidence (esp. Sexton) has been dented after yesterday's mauling

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                                        • Billy TellB Billy Tell

                                          I see everyone rushing to anoint England as RWC favs, Rattue included. If there's anything I've learnt, it's that one game means nothing - if England roll all and sundry in the 6N, then let's talk.

                                          I can't think of such favorable external circumstances for NZ for this RWC - no hometown advantage, except for Japan who are not contenders, and for once NZ are unlikely to be outright favourites.

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                                          @Billy-Tell said in 6 Nations 2019:

                                          I can't think of such favorable external circumstances for NZ for this RWC - no hometown advantage, except for Japan who are not contenders, and for once NZ are unlikely to be outright favourites.

                                          More than happy with that. There were questions raised about the ABs at RWC2015 until we hammered France in the quarter-final. Can't help but think that worked in our .

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