Exodus
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@Nepia said in Exodus 2019:
@rotated said in Exodus 2019:
For a guy who wasn't able to hold down a starting spot in the test team the column inches and media circus got a bit much.
When he first made the ABs he had the best partnership we've ever had (sorry Frank and Walter) since they've been gone he's started every test he hasn't been injured for.
Conrad Smith and Nonu?
@Hooroo said in Exodus 2019:
@Nepia said in Exodus 2019:
@rotated said in Exodus 2019:
For a guy who wasn't able to hold down a starting spot in the test team the column inches and media circus got a bit much.
When he first made the ABs he had the best partnership we've ever had (sorry Frank and Walter) since they've been gone he's started every test he hasn't been injured for.
Conrad Smith and Nonu?
I missed out 'ahead of him'. Fixed it now with an edit.
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@Nepia said in Exodus 2019:
@rotated said in Exodus 2019:
For a guy who wasn't able to hold down a starting spot in the test team the column inches and media circus got a bit much.
When he first made the ABs he had the best partnership we've ever had (sorry Frank and Walter) since they've been gone he's started every test he hasn't been injured for.
Conrad Smith and Nonu?
@Hooroo said in Exodus 2019:
@Nepia said in Exodus 2019:
@rotated said in Exodus 2019:
For a guy who wasn't able to hold down a starting spot in the test team the column inches and media circus got a bit much.
When he first made the ABs he had the best partnership we've ever had (sorry Frank and Walter) since they've been gone he's started every test he hasn't been injured for.
Conrad Smith and Nonu?
no you dick, Maherhoffler and Clarke
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@Hooroo said in Exodus 2019:
@Nepia said in Exodus 2019:
@rotated said in Exodus 2019:
For a guy who wasn't able to hold down a starting spot in the test team the column inches and media circus got a bit much.
When he first made the ABs he had the best partnership we've ever had (sorry Frank and Walter) since they've been gone he's started every test he hasn't been injured for.
Conrad Smith and Nonu?
no you dick, Maherhoffler and Clarke
@mariner4life said in Exodus 2019:
@Hooroo said in Exodus 2019:
@Nepia said in Exodus 2019:
@rotated said in Exodus 2019:
For a guy who wasn't able to hold down a starting spot in the test team the column inches and media circus got a bit much.
When he first made the ABs he had the best partnership we've ever had (sorry Frank and Walter) since they've been gone he's started every test he hasn't been injured for.
Conrad Smith and Nonu?
no you dick, Maherhoffler and Clarke
Oi Peanus!!! His post read before he made the edit that SBW made the best centre pairing when he came into the ab's. I was merely pointing out that actually Nonu and Smith were the best.
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@rotated said in Exodus 2019:
For a guy who wasn't able to hold down a starting spot in the test team the column inches and media circus got a bit much.
When he first made the ABs he had the best partnership we've ever had (sorry Frank and Walter) ahead of him and since they've been gone he's started every test he hasn't been injured for.
@Nepia said in Exodus 2019:
@rotated said in Exodus 2019:
For a guy who wasn't able to hold down a starting spot in the test team the column inches and media circus got a bit much.
When he first made the ABs he had the best partnership we've ever had (sorry Frank and Walter) ahead of him and since they've been gone he's started every test he hasn't been injured for.
Barrett was stuck behind Carter too wasn't he?
The reason why SBW's AB legacy isn't more impressive isn't because of his post 2015 efforts. It's because he faffed around with Toulon, NRL and Japan in 2010, 2012 and 2014 playing 4, 5 and 4 tests respectively. Nonu and Smith gave plenty of opportunities during 2012-15 both taking sabbaticals and having injuries.
His only full seasons were 2011 and 2015 which are padded with C-tier nations in pool play, RWC warm games and the most forgettable TRC fixtures of the cycle... and 2017 which was hardly a career year.
If it weren't for the 2017 Lions Series the history of the All Blacks could comfortably be written without a mention of SBW.
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@Nepia said in Exodus 2019:
@rotated said in Exodus 2019:
For a guy who wasn't able to hold down a starting spot in the test team the column inches and media circus got a bit much.
When he first made the ABs he had the best partnership we've ever had (sorry Frank and Walter) ahead of him and since they've been gone he's started every test he hasn't been injured for.
Barrett was stuck behind Carter too wasn't he?
The reason why SBW's AB legacy isn't more impressive isn't because of his post 2015 efforts. It's because he faffed around with Toulon, NRL and Japan in 2010, 2012 and 2014 playing 4, 5 and 4 tests respectively. Nonu and Smith gave plenty of opportunities during 2012-15 both taking sabbaticals and having injuries.
His only full seasons were 2011 and 2015 which are padded with C-tier nations in pool play, RWC warm games and the most forgettable TRC fixtures of the cycle... and 2017 which was hardly a career year.
If it weren't for the 2017 Lions Series the history of the All Blacks could comfortably be written without a mention of SBW.
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Best three games I can remember SBW having in Black were the 2010 game Vs Scotland, the 2012 Ireland game in Hamilton and then 2015 RWC final off the bench. He was outstanding on all three occasions.
Why did he not hit those heights more often? Why was he still picked so much in 2017 and 2018 when his level of performance had dropped off so much? Why have the All Blacks coaching set team tolerated the circus around SBW when most players are given much less leeway?
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Best three games I can remember SBW having in Black were the 2010 game Vs Scotland, the 2012 Ireland game in Hamilton and then 2015 RWC final off the bench. He was outstanding on all three occasions.
Why did he not hit those heights more often? Why was he still picked so much in 2017 and 2018 when his level of performance had dropped off so much? Why have the All Blacks coaching set team tolerated the circus around SBW when most players are given much less leeway?
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Jordan Taufua away after the WC.
http://rugbylad.ie/leicester-tigers-complete-signing-crusaders-star/@beardie said in Exodus 2019:
Jordan Taufua away after the WC.
http://rugbylad.ie/leicester-tigers-complete-signing-crusaders-star/Can't blame him really. Has seen first hand how shit luck can destroy opportunities.
Would have made a nice addition to the ABs to see how he would have gone as a loose forward bench impact. Certainly brings go-forward to the game.
AFAIK he still qualifies for Samoa (has played U20s for both NZ and Samoa, born in NZ, selected for ABs but never took the field). He might just keep that option open. -
SBW is one of, if not the most, physically gifted players I have ever seen in either rugby code. By all reports he is an absolute model pro off the field.
It's a bit shit his NZ rugby time has been limited by injuries (and Ma'a) but what we have seen has been something no one else could provide.
But for all the press, good and bad, where ever he has played I have watched, and loved. He is professional football personified.
Good luck to him and I hope he has a massive 2019
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SBW is one of, if not the most, physically gifted players I have ever seen in either rugby code. By all reports he is an absolute model pro off the field.
It's a bit shit his NZ rugby time has been limited by injuries (and Ma'a) but what we have seen has been something no one else could provide.
But for all the press, good and bad, where ever he has played I have watched, and loved. He is professional football personified.
Good luck to him and I hope he has a massive 2019
@mariner4life said in Exodus 2019:
SBW is one of, if not the most, physically gifted players I have ever seen in either rugby code. By all reports he is an absolute model pro off the field.
It's a bit shit his NZ rugby time has been limited by injuries (and Ma'a) but what we have seen has been something no one else could provide.
But for all the press, good and bad, where ever he has played I have watched, and loved. He is professional football personified.
Good luck to him and I hope he has a massive 2019
Apart from those that provided it of course.
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@Nepia said in Exodus 2019:
@taniwharugby 8 years in the ABs is nothing to be sneezed at.
A single cap off the bench in the 78th minute in black is nothing to sneeze at.
For a guy who wasn't able to hold down a starting spot in the test team the column inches and media circus got a bit much. When all of that is stripped away he has had the Super/Test career of Liam Messam, with a good offload in a RWC final and the record for most cards in AB history.
It's a pity that his code-and-continent-hopping tendencies didn't kick in a season or two earlier (around the same age they do for tenured All Blacks) because he has offered buckleys for anyone other than the journalists this cycle.
@rotated said in Exodus 2019:
@Nepia said in Exodus 2019:
@taniwharugby 8 years in the ABs is nothing to be sneezed at.
A single cap off the bench in the 78th minute in black is nothing to sneeze at.
For a guy who wasn't able to hold down a starting spot in the test team the column inches and media circus got a bit much. When all of that is stripped away he has had the Super/Test career of Liam Messam, with a good offload in a RWC final and the record for most cards in AB history.
It's a pity that his code-and-continent-hopping tendencies didn't kick in a season or two earlier (around the same age they do for tenured All Blacks) because he has offered buckleys for anyone other than the journalists this cycle.
Got any stats to back up that claim?
Edit: I can't find any lists but clicking through all of SBWs games he has 1 Red and 3 Yellows so the claim above could be correct. I am guessing a reasonable list of 2 YCs and possibly a few with 3 YCs (Kaino? Read?)
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@rotated said in Exodus 2019:
@Nepia said in Exodus 2019:
@taniwharugby 8 years in the ABs is nothing to be sneezed at.
A single cap off the bench in the 78th minute in black is nothing to sneeze at.
For a guy who wasn't able to hold down a starting spot in the test team the column inches and media circus got a bit much. When all of that is stripped away he has had the Super/Test career of Liam Messam, with a good offload in a RWC final and the record for most cards in AB history.
It's a pity that his code-and-continent-hopping tendencies didn't kick in a season or two earlier (around the same age they do for tenured All Blacks) because he has offered buckleys for anyone other than the journalists this cycle.
Got any stats to back up that claim?
Edit: I can't find any lists but clicking through all of SBWs games he has 1 Red and 3 Yellows so the claim above could be correct. I am guessing a reasonable list of 2 YCs and possibly a few with 3 YCs (Kaino? Read?)
Edit:2 thanks @Bones for finding the list below.@Crucial said in Exodus 2019:
@rotated said in Exodus 2019:
@Nepia said in Exodus 2019:
@taniwharugby 8 years in the ABs is nothing to be sneezed at.
A single cap off the bench in the 78th minute in black is nothing to sneeze at.
For a guy who wasn't able to hold down a starting spot in the test team the column inches and media circus got a bit much. When all of that is stripped away he has had the Super/Test career of Liam Messam, with a good offload in a RWC final and the record for most cards in AB history.
It's a pity that his code-and-continent-hopping tendencies didn't kick in a season or two earlier (around the same age they do for tenured All Blacks) because he has offered buckleys for anyone other than the journalists this cycle.
Got any stats to back up that claim?
I'm thinking no, if this is anything to go by.
http://stats.espnscrum.com/scrum/rugby/records/player/most_yellow_cards.html?id=8;type=team
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@Crucial said in Exodus 2019:
@rotated said in Exodus 2019:
@Nepia said in Exodus 2019:
@taniwharugby 8 years in the ABs is nothing to be sneezed at.
A single cap off the bench in the 78th minute in black is nothing to sneeze at.
For a guy who wasn't able to hold down a starting spot in the test team the column inches and media circus got a bit much. When all of that is stripped away he has had the Super/Test career of Liam Messam, with a good offload in a RWC final and the record for most cards in AB history.
It's a pity that his code-and-continent-hopping tendencies didn't kick in a season or two earlier (around the same age they do for tenured All Blacks) because he has offered buckleys for anyone other than the journalists this cycle.
Got any stats to back up that claim?
I'm thinking no, if this is anything to go by.
http://stats.espnscrum.com/scrum/rugby/records/player/most_yellow_cards.html?id=8;type=team@Bones said in Exodus 2019:
@Crucial said in Exodus 2019:
@rotated said in Exodus 2019:
@Nepia said in Exodus 2019:
@taniwharugby 8 years in the ABs is nothing to be sneezed at.
A single cap off the bench in the 78th minute in black is nothing to sneeze at.
For a guy who wasn't able to hold down a starting spot in the test team the column inches and media circus got a bit much. When all of that is stripped away he has had the Super/Test career of Liam Messam, with a good offload in a RWC final and the record for most cards in AB history.
It's a pity that his code-and-continent-hopping tendencies didn't kick in a season or two earlier (around the same age they do for tenured All Blacks) because he has offered buckleys for anyone other than the journalists this cycle.
Got any stats to back up that claim?
I'm thinking no, if this is anything to go by.
http://stats.espnscrum.com/scrum/rugby/records/player/most_yellow_cards.html?id=8;type=teamI'll take that back then - did not realize Read had pick up so many - with four he is equal second - with a red.
Hopefully three RWC knockout games to go this year so he should at least get one more, can he get to six though?
edit: Although on a card/game basis for anyone with multiple cards he is far and away on everyone on that table except Mark Robinson 2/9 and Masoe 2/20.
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@KiwiMurph All Blacks enforcer? I have seen this a number of times, where did this come from, the fact he has worn the 6 jersey previously occupied by Jerome?
Leaves after a rather underwhelming AB career.
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@KiwiMurph All Blacks enforcer? I have seen this a number of times, where did this come from, the fact he has worn the 6 jersey previously occupied by Jerome?
Leaves after a rather underwhelming AB career.
@taniwharugby said in Exodus 2019:
@KiwiMurph All Blacks enforcer? I have seen this a number of times, where did this come from, the fact he has worn the 6 jersey previously occupied by Jerome?
Leaves after a rather underwhelming AB career.
From the same reporter that goes on to list all the other All Blacks forwards moving on after the RWC. First name mentioned; Taufua...
