Exodus
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@Nepia said in Exodus 2019:
@taniwharugby 8 years in the ABs is nothing to be sneezed at.
A single cap off the bench in the 78th minute in black is nothing to sneeze at.
For a guy who wasn't able to hold down a starting spot in the test team the column inches and media circus got a bit much. When all of that is stripped away he has had the Super/Test career of Liam Messam, with a good offload in a RWC final and the record for most cards in AB history.
It's a pity that his code-and-continent-hopping tendencies didn't kick in a season or two earlier (around the same age they do for tenured All Blacks) because he has offered buckleys for anyone other than the journalists this cycle.
@rotated said in Exodus 2019:
@Nepia said in Exodus 2019:
@taniwharugby 8 years in the ABs is nothing to be sneezed at.
A single cap off the bench in the 78th minute in black is nothing to sneeze at.
For a guy who wasn't able to hold down a starting spot in the test team the column inches and media circus got a bit much. When all of that is stripped away he has had the Super/Test career of Liam Messam, with a good offload in a RWC final and the record for most cards in AB history.
It's a pity that his code-and-continent-hopping tendencies didn't kick in a season or two earlier (around the same age they do for tenured All Blacks) because he has offered buckleys for anyone other than the journalists this cycle.
Got any stats to back up that claim?
Edit: I can't find any lists but clicking through all of SBWs games he has 1 Red and 3 Yellows so the claim above could be correct. I am guessing a reasonable list of 2 YCs and possibly a few with 3 YCs (Kaino? Read?)
Edit:2 thanks @Bones for finding the list below. -
@rotated said in Exodus 2019:
@Nepia said in Exodus 2019:
@taniwharugby 8 years in the ABs is nothing to be sneezed at.
A single cap off the bench in the 78th minute in black is nothing to sneeze at.
For a guy who wasn't able to hold down a starting spot in the test team the column inches and media circus got a bit much. When all of that is stripped away he has had the Super/Test career of Liam Messam, with a good offload in a RWC final and the record for most cards in AB history.
It's a pity that his code-and-continent-hopping tendencies didn't kick in a season or two earlier (around the same age they do for tenured All Blacks) because he has offered buckleys for anyone other than the journalists this cycle.
Got any stats to back up that claim?
Edit: I can't find any lists but clicking through all of SBWs games he has 1 Red and 3 Yellows so the claim above could be correct. I am guessing a reasonable list of 2 YCs and possibly a few with 3 YCs (Kaino? Read?)
Edit:2 thanks @Bones for finding the list below.@Crucial said in Exodus 2019:
@rotated said in Exodus 2019:
@Nepia said in Exodus 2019:
@taniwharugby 8 years in the ABs is nothing to be sneezed at.
A single cap off the bench in the 78th minute in black is nothing to sneeze at.
For a guy who wasn't able to hold down a starting spot in the test team the column inches and media circus got a bit much. When all of that is stripped away he has had the Super/Test career of Liam Messam, with a good offload in a RWC final and the record for most cards in AB history.
It's a pity that his code-and-continent-hopping tendencies didn't kick in a season or two earlier (around the same age they do for tenured All Blacks) because he has offered buckleys for anyone other than the journalists this cycle.
Got any stats to back up that claim?
I'm thinking no, if this is anything to go by.
http://stats.espnscrum.com/scrum/rugby/records/player/most_yellow_cards.html?id=8;type=team
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@Crucial said in Exodus 2019:
@rotated said in Exodus 2019:
@Nepia said in Exodus 2019:
@taniwharugby 8 years in the ABs is nothing to be sneezed at.
A single cap off the bench in the 78th minute in black is nothing to sneeze at.
For a guy who wasn't able to hold down a starting spot in the test team the column inches and media circus got a bit much. When all of that is stripped away he has had the Super/Test career of Liam Messam, with a good offload in a RWC final and the record for most cards in AB history.
It's a pity that his code-and-continent-hopping tendencies didn't kick in a season or two earlier (around the same age they do for tenured All Blacks) because he has offered buckleys for anyone other than the journalists this cycle.
Got any stats to back up that claim?
I'm thinking no, if this is anything to go by.
http://stats.espnscrum.com/scrum/rugby/records/player/most_yellow_cards.html?id=8;type=team@Bones said in Exodus 2019:
@Crucial said in Exodus 2019:
@rotated said in Exodus 2019:
@Nepia said in Exodus 2019:
@taniwharugby 8 years in the ABs is nothing to be sneezed at.
A single cap off the bench in the 78th minute in black is nothing to sneeze at.
For a guy who wasn't able to hold down a starting spot in the test team the column inches and media circus got a bit much. When all of that is stripped away he has had the Super/Test career of Liam Messam, with a good offload in a RWC final and the record for most cards in AB history.
It's a pity that his code-and-continent-hopping tendencies didn't kick in a season or two earlier (around the same age they do for tenured All Blacks) because he has offered buckleys for anyone other than the journalists this cycle.
Got any stats to back up that claim?
I'm thinking no, if this is anything to go by.
http://stats.espnscrum.com/scrum/rugby/records/player/most_yellow_cards.html?id=8;type=teamI'll take that back then - did not realize Read had pick up so many - with four he is equal second - with a red.
Hopefully three RWC knockout games to go this year so he should at least get one more, can he get to six though?
edit: Although on a card/game basis for anyone with multiple cards he is far and away on everyone on that table except Mark Robinson 2/9 and Masoe 2/20.
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@KiwiMurph All Blacks enforcer? I have seen this a number of times, where did this come from, the fact he has worn the 6 jersey previously occupied by Jerome?
Leaves after a rather underwhelming AB career.
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@KiwiMurph All Blacks enforcer? I have seen this a number of times, where did this come from, the fact he has worn the 6 jersey previously occupied by Jerome?
Leaves after a rather underwhelming AB career.
@taniwharugby said in Exodus 2019:
@KiwiMurph All Blacks enforcer? I have seen this a number of times, where did this come from, the fact he has worn the 6 jersey previously occupied by Jerome?
Leaves after a rather underwhelming AB career.
From the same reporter that goes on to list all the other All Blacks forwards moving on after the RWC. First name mentioned; Taufua...
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@KiwiMurph All Blacks enforcer? I have seen this a number of times, where did this come from, the fact he has worn the 6 jersey previously occupied by Jerome?
Leaves after a rather underwhelming AB career.
@taniwharugby said in Exodus 2019:
@KiwiMurph All Blacks enforcer? I have seen this a number of times, where did this come from, the fact he has worn the 6 jersey previously occupied by Jerome?
Leaves after a rather underwhelming AB career.
Good company at breakfast though .
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Club is known:
https://twitter.com/sumostevenson/status/1094800119717715968
If they're staying, he'll be joining Isaad Ross, Luteru Laulala and head coach Rob Penney.
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@KiwiMurph All Blacks enforcer? I have seen this a number of times, where did this come from, the fact he has worn the 6 jersey previously occupied by Jerome?
Leaves after a rather underwhelming AB career.
@taniwharugby said in Exodus 2019:
@KiwiMurph All Blacks enforcer? I have seen this a number of times, where did this come from, the fact he has worn the 6 jersey previously occupied by Jerome?
Leaves after a rather underwhelming AB career.
haha we're so underwhelming at 6
ABs Instagram had a happy birthday to an AB up today, and i had literally no idea who the fuck it was (turns out it was that Highlanders reserve blindside).
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post WC is not such bad news for a player of his standard .
I probably wont be losing any sleep over this one .
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@taniwharugby said in Exodus 2019:
@KiwiMurph All Blacks enforcer? I have seen this a number of times, where did this come from, the fact he has worn the 6 jersey previously occupied by Jerome?
Leaves after a rather underwhelming AB career.
haha we're so underwhelming at 6
ABs Instagram had a happy birthday to an AB up today, and i had literally no idea who the fuck it was (turns out it was that Highlanders reserve blindside).
@mariner4life said in Exodus 2019:
@taniwharugby said in Exodus 2019:
@KiwiMurph All Blacks enforcer? I have seen this a number of times, where did this come from, the fact he has worn the 6 jersey previously occupied by Jerome?
Leaves after a rather underwhelming AB career.
haha we're so underwhelming at 6
ABs Instagram had a happy birthday to an AB up today, and i had literally no idea who the fuck it was (turns out it was that Highlanders reserve blindside).
Which one?
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Miss the early days of super rugby when all the best players from SANZAR played rugby in the SH.
Such a pity England and France didn’t centrally contract their players.
Seems like everyday some international from one of the countries jumps to the NH ship.
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@mariner4life said in Exodus 2019:
@taniwharugby said in Exodus 2019:
@KiwiMurph All Blacks enforcer? I have seen this a number of times, where did this come from, the fact he has worn the 6 jersey previously occupied by Jerome?
Leaves after a rather underwhelming AB career.
haha we're so underwhelming at 6
ABs Instagram had a happy birthday to an AB up today, and i had literally no idea who the fuck it was (turns out it was that Highlanders reserve blindside).
Which one?
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Miss the early days of super rugby when all the best players from SANZAR played rugby in the SH.
Such a pity England and France didn’t centrally contract their players.
Seems like everyday some international from one of the countries jumps to the NH ship.
@Billy-Tell A massive worry moving forward. From a Canes perspective, we have lost a tone of players recently to either retirement or to the lurative $$ in their prime.
Instead of the rabble forward pack that will run out on Saturday we could have had something like this: 1. Goodes 2. Coles 3. Uhila 4. Fatialofa 5. Broadhurst 6. Shields 7. Savea 8. Vito - This is only one example but shows how young that team still is and 10 years ago they would have probably still been plying their trade in NZ.
Times have changed, players are now leaving in their mid-twenties which is a massive concern for NZ rugby who have always relied on that tier of players below the All Blacks to keep them rolling forward. Is our depth that strong to deal with the continious outflow of players offshore - maybe talent-wise, but in terms of match hardened players with extensive experience there may not be many options in two for three years time.
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@Billy-Tell A massive worry moving forward. From a Canes perspective, we have lost a tone of players recently to either retirement or to the lurative $$ in their prime.
Instead of the rabble forward pack that will run out on Saturday we could have had something like this: 1. Goodes 2. Coles 3. Uhila 4. Fatialofa 5. Broadhurst 6. Shields 7. Savea 8. Vito - This is only one example but shows how young that team still is and 10 years ago they would have probably still been plying their trade in NZ.
Times have changed, players are now leaving in their mid-twenties which is a massive concern for NZ rugby who have always relied on that tier of players below the All Blacks to keep them rolling forward. Is our depth that strong to deal with the continious outflow of players offshore - maybe talent-wise, but in terms of match hardened players with extensive experience there may not be many options in two for three years time.
@Canes4life Broadhurst doesnt really fit into that narrative given he didnt leave by choice, I know he retired but he shouldnt be lumped with the few mercenaries you mention
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@Canes4life Broadhurst doesnt really fit into that narrative given he didnt leave by choice, I know he retired but he shouldnt be lumped with the few mercenaries you mention
@taniwharugby yeah same with Goodes. But you could probably look at any NZ franchise and there would most likely be a good bunch of players in each that would most likely still be in yhe starting XVs.
