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@MajorRage Yes they can say "she was only 15" but she had her big girl pants on when she took herself off on a journey like that! She knew what she was doing and hasn't denied it so she should be prosecuted. Even if she was "brainwashed" it isn't a get out of jail card in my eyes, that itself means she remains a huge risk to being radicalised again. I don't believe they can be rehabilitated either.
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Well I've found a way bigger fuckstick than Isis girl.....
Is it any wonder there is so much racism in NZ when shitcunts like this try this? How can he be serious?
Based on his logic let's go vigilante on him and hang his ass. I'm sure there'll be multiple volunteers.
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Strongly disagree with the ideas that she's made her bed etc.
I understand those sentiments
BUT
We must have and allow a path to redemption.
People must be able to redirect themselves from weak ideologies
Otherwise they'll be even more bitter and there'll be a real division.Everybody on here has changed opinions over their lives, mostly through better education. It's a natural progression in life. Our society depends on it.
On the one hand we're disgusted by a death sentence for apostasy, on the other we want to condemn someone that wishes to leave this ghastly extreme aspect of that religion. That gives someone no options
The cornerstone of a truly vile ideology popular at the moment, is one of permanent punishment, where an apology for a trivial "transgression " will not let you keep your job. We can't subscribe to that nonsense.
As emotive as it is, there must be a path to redemption.
We did for Majid Nawaz and that's been highly beneficial for society
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@MN5 said in Alternative needed from the absolute crap of stuff.co.nz:
Well I've found a way bigger fuckstick than Isis girl.....
Is it any wonder there is so much racism in NZ when shitcunts like this try this? How can he be serious?
Based on his logic let's go vigilante on him and hang his ass. I'm sure there'll be multiple volunteers.
Reminds me of this
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@Siam I think it's more about her no regrets statement now as an adult. You then consider that Britain has limited resources and can only take a limited number of people in so why would you preference someone who is for the murder of non-believers over someone who wants to live a peaceful life.
Having said that I can all but guarantee she will get in. With a free house, benefits for life...hell she'll probably be a Labour MP in a year or two.
But I'm very jaded..hopefully she proves me wrong and can actually do some good.
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@Rembrandt definitely should be a process of investigation, perhaps a parole system, monitoring her activities and movements, check her integration into society etc. If not satisfied, incarcerate or judge based on her threat to society. Monitor her, establish if she's willing to give information on grooming etc. Learn from her situation.
I don't think her situation rests primarily on a quote from mainstream media. Gauge her contrition and act accordingly. If one British citizen can be put in maximum security for filming on steps, then this girl can be equally scrutinised.
I'm mindful that the extreme islamists laugh at the wests weak fisted strategy for Islam, we make their hate easier, we accommodate their evil way of life.
Banishing her further fuels their agenda
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@Rembrandt said in Alternative needed from the absolute crap of stuff.co.nz:
@Siam I think it's more about her no regrets statement now as an adult. You then consider that Britain has limited resources and can only take a limited number of people in so why would you preference someone who is for the murder of non-believers over someone who wants to live a peaceful life.
Having said that I can all but guarantee she will get in. With a free house, benefits for life...hell she'll probably be a Labour MP in a year or two.
But I'm very jaded..hopefully she proves me wrong and can actually do some good.
Yup she might have gotten some sympathy if she said she regrets what she did she was a stupid kid who didn’t think of the consequences of her actions,
She didn’t run away and stay over at her mates house. She turned her back in her country and joined a terriost organisation that killed god knows how many people. -
@Virgil and is only trying to return as they lost... so it's not like she's come to her senses and walked away from the winning side. By the limited info so far it appears she still believes in the cause too.
@Siam (whoops forgot to tag you) I applaud your stance on rehab and how that might help broader engagement with extremists. Reading the blurb about losing two kids I couldn't help but think that would add another layer of trauma.
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@Paekakboyz Yeah mate, it's all about the major objective - for me that is complete eradication of militant Islam.
I view the girl in the same light as the drug issue. She's a user at the end of the chain. It's the kingpin we need to get.
Look after her, send a message to others that they can leave this terrorist organisation. I actually believe most of the recruited kids come to realise the SNAFU they are in.
Persecute her and Jonny Jihad tells the others, "see your society hates you. Want some more heroin?"
Leaving that religion safely is a massive and overlooked problem
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@MN5 said in Alternative needed from the absolute crap of stuff.co.nz:
Is it any wonder there is so much racism in NZ when shitcunts like this try this?
I don't think shitcunts like this really cause racism. You've got to be a shitcunt yourself if you're racist because of another shitcunt trying to game the system.
I note that his lawyer has said he'll likely quit if he runs with it (I just wrote a sentence about disbarring the lawyer in Fern fashion before actually having a read of the article).
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@Nepia said in Alternative needed from the absolute crap of stuff.co.nz:
@MN5 said in Alternative needed from the absolute crap of stuff.co.nz:
Is it any wonder there is so much racism in NZ when shitcunts like this try this?
I don't think shitcunts like this really cause racism. You've got to be a shitcunt yourself if you're racist because of another shitcunt trying to game the system.
I note that his lawyer has said he'll likely quit if he runs with it (I just wrote a sentence about disbarring the lawyer in Fern fashion before actually having a read of the article).
I’d like to see him released on these grounds and dropped off at @snowy s house , I’m sure it’s not illegal to make a jacket out of a sovereign citizen.
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@Nepia said in Alternative needed from the absolute crap of stuff.co.nz:
@MN5 said in Alternative needed from the absolute crap of stuff.co.nz:
Is it any wonder there is so much racism in NZ when shitcunts like this try this?
I don't think shitcunts like this really cause racism. You've got to be a shitcunt yourself if you're racist because of another shitcunt trying to game the system.
I note that his lawyer has said he'll likely quit if he runs with it (I just wrote a sentence about disbarring the lawyer in Fern fashion before actually having a read of the article).
Well yeah you're right of course but less level headed folk than us will get, how do I put it....'triggered' to say the least.
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@MN5 said in Alternative needed from the absolute crap of stuff.co.nz:
@Nepia said in Alternative needed from the absolute crap of stuff.co.nz:
@MN5 said in Alternative needed from the absolute crap of stuff.co.nz:
Is it any wonder there is so much racism in NZ when shitcunts like this try this?
I don't think shitcunts like this really cause racism. You've got to be a shitcunt yourself if you're racist because of another shitcunt trying to game the system.
I note that his lawyer has said he'll likely quit if he runs with it (I just wrote a sentence about disbarring the lawyer in Fern fashion before actually having a read of the article).
Well yeah you're right of course but less level headed folk than us will get, how do I put it....'triggered' to say the least.
Yeah, the right get triggered so easily these days.
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@jegga said in Alternative needed from the absolute crap of stuff.co.nz:
@MN5 bro, check it out
If my life wasn't complete before well it is now....
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@Siam said in Alternative needed from the absolute crap of stuff.co.nz:
Everybody on here has changed opinions over their lives, mostly through better education. It's a natural progression in life. Our society depends on it.
On the one hand we're disgusted by a death sentence for apostasy, on the other we want to condemn someone that wishes to leave this ghastly extreme aspect of that religion. That gives someone no options
The cornerstone of a truly vile ideology popular at the moment, is one of permanent punishment, where an apology for a trivial "transgression " will not let you keep your job. We can't subscribe to that nonsense.
As emotive as it is, there must be a path to redemption.
We did for Majid Nawaz and that's been highly beneficial for society
You and I have a very very different version of what constitutes a trivial transgression.
@Siam said in Alternative needed from the absolute crap of stuff.co.nz:
Further, fellas judging a 15 year old for her life decisions seems absurd to me.
Agree - I think most do.
She's absolutely fucked either way. She can't come back here - her name is public, images of her are everywhere, she will never ever ever be anything else to the majority people here other than an ISIS fighter, a killer, a psychopathic nutjob who hates this country, and just wants to freeload on it's services paid for by tax paying citizens. Her life can only go on of two paths.
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That of Majid Nawaz. And absolutely nothing she has said has indicated she has any intention of that - she still believes the severed head she saw was a good thing because she thinks "what he would have done to a Muslim woman". Did she know him? Did she understand what HE was fighting for? No - she's not changed her fucked up views one iota. There is zero chance of her going down this path by herself, absolute zero. So should the state try and fund that? On top of her baby? On top of her social welfare because nobody will give her a job? On top of monitoring her?
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Be a complete outcast, hated by most who blows herself up on a bus/train taking many innocent lives with her.
I don't blame her family for wishing her back , I also don't blame her for trying. Isn't everybody just trying to do whats best for themselves, and what they want to be remembered for.
But if this country can take a hardline on banning activists, then at the very least, it should be able to apply that same hardline to ISIS fighters, sympathisers people like this.
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