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and a good explanation of how GPON works (Passive Optical Network). Use the tabs on the page for the full story
 
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Kirwan

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Geekzone is a fairly well respected forum in the industry though. Very knowledgeable folk and well moderated. You will probably have noticed that many of the techies that post there are happy to be open (with employer consent) about where they work and will often try and directly help.
 
<a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://www.geekzone.co.nz/forums.asp?forumid=135&topicid=136800'>http://www.geekzone.co.nz/forums.asp?forumid=135&topicid=136800</a>
 
Nick, this is probably a good thread for you to read Starts with a clear explanation from Chorus on speeds attained etc. As far as I know, the shear capacity from the Cabinets minimises the effect you are talking about. Fibre doesn't have the same distance issues as copper. Light continues at the speed of light etc. Aggregation issues with copper are more to do with the amount a cabinet can process from light to electric. If the network is all copper then the problems are simply signal strength.
 
There will be aggregation slowdowns at fibre cabs I guess but with no conversion necessary you are simply talking about how much light a mirror can handle.
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Yep, it's an incredibly useful resource. The guy that replied to me was an Orcon employee, which is great as the helpdesk is offshore, and as nice as they are having local help has benefits.
 
Fixed an issue getting onto my VPN for work from past threads on there, an issue I'd never have solved on my own.

NTA

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<a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://www.geekzone.co.nz/forums.asp?forumid=135&topicid=136800'>http://www.geekzone.co.nz/forums.asp?forumid=135&topicid=136800</a>
 
Nick, this is probably a good thread for you to read Starts with a clear explanation from Chorus on speeds attained etc. As far as I know, the shear capacity from the Cabinets minimises the effect you are talking about. Fibre doesn't have the same distance issues as copper. Light continues at the speed of light etc. Aggregation issues with copper are more to do with the amount a cabinet can process from light to electric. If the network is all copper then the problems are simply signal strength.
 
There will be aggregation slowdowns at fibre cabs I guess but with no conversion necessary you are simply talking about how much light a mirror can handle.
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Figures.
 
Here with the new estates that are getting hooked up on fibre, they actually have bans on roof-mounted TV aerials because everything is delivered through glass - phone, TV, fax, internet of course.
 
Even though we're talking light, there are still hardware junctions along the way that need to process it, and they still have to route and manage requests through even if it is as really high speeds. Its not a single strand of glass connecting me all the way to my ISP after all.

Crucial

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Here with the new estates that are getting hooked up on fibre, they actually have bans on roof-mounted TV aerials because everything is delivered through glass - phone, TV, fax, internet of course. 
Even though we're talking light, there are still hardware junctions along the way that need to process it, and they still have to route and manage requests through even if it is as really high speeds. Its not a single strand of glass connecting me all the way to my ISP after all.</blockquote>
That geekzone link explains the expected losses from the theoretical speed. 
I find it really funny though that you are concerned about possible losses of a magnitude that pales into insignificance when compared to your current service

JC

How about this then. Broadband, apparently:
 
<a class="bbc_url" href="http://www.speedtest.net/my-result/4002406137"><img src="http://www.speedtest.net/result/4002406137.png" alt="4002406137.png"></a>

NTA

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That geekzone link explains the expected losses from the theoretical speed. 
I find it really funny though that you are concerned about possible losses of a magnitude that pales into insignificance when compared to your current service
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I'm a dreamer.

Nepia

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How about this then. Broadband, apparently:
 
<a class="bbc_url" href="http://www.speedtest.net/my-result/4002406137"><img src="http://www.speedtest.net/result/4002406137.png" alt="4002406137.png"></a>
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Whereabouts are you JC? Somewhere up the Napier-Taupo road? That's crazy slow.

antipodean

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How about this then. Broadband, apparently:
 
<a class="bbc_url" href="http://www.speedtest.net/my-result/4002406137"><img src="http://www.speedtest.net/result/4002406137.png" alt="4002406137.png"></a>
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That's unreasonable. It should rate worse than F surely?

JC

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Whereabouts are you JC? Somewhere up the Napier-Taupo road? That's crazy slow.
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No, Taradale! It's not exactly the sticks is it?

Tim

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In theory I have a gigabit connection, but it's limited by the building's interal 100mbit network.

NTA

Oh you poor thing...
 
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Nepia

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No, Taradale! It's not exactly the sticks is it?
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Taradale! WTF! Up on a hill? Top of Churchill Drive maybe? :(

JC

You'd think so wouldn't you? But nope. Guppy Road.
 
<a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='https://www.google.co.nz/maps/@-39.5364687,176.8590208,3a,75y,105.75h,74.07t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1srE4lBBnLWxu4b-kFeG4frA!2e0!6m1!1e1'>https://www.google.co.nz/maps/@-39.5364687,176.8590208,3a,75y,105.75h,74.07t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1srE4lBBnLWxu4b-kFeG4frA!2e0!6m1!1e1</a>
 
I guess the internet connection is the same one the house had when it was built 100 years ago. The modem is made of cast iron and lead, and it only works properly once the steam builds up to a decent working pressure.

Chris B.

Mine's equally shit, JC - though I do live a bit in the sticks.
 
But, well inside a 2 mile radius of where Lord Rutherford was born. As a proven repository of geniuses (genii to us) we should be given the very best stuff first on principle - ahead of all you other thick fucks! :)
 
Merry Christmas!

Crucial

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You'd think so wouldn't you? But nope. Guppy Road.
 
<a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='https://www.google.co.nz/maps/@-39.5364687,176.8590208,3a,75y,105.75h,74.07t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1srE4lBBnLWxu4b-kFeG4frA!2e0!6m1!1e1'>https://www.google.co.nz/maps/@-39.5364687,176.8590208,3a,75y,105.75h,74.07t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1srE4lBBnLWxu4b-kFeG4frA!2e0!6m1!1e1</a>
 
I guess the internet connection is the same one the house had when it was built 100 years ago. The modem is made of cast iron and lead, and it only works properly once the steam builds up to a decent working pressure.
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The problem is almost certainly in the house. Checked the network maps and all of Guppy Rd is ADSL2+ with the very southern end VDSL capable. Either your wiring, your modem/ router or computer are screwed. Probably your internal wiring.

Paekakboyz

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And that's an upgrade for us! just got on to an unlimited VDSL plan which somehow works out cheaper than our previous 250gb standard broadband plan. We can't get UFBB in our area... if only Porirua had won Gigatown!
 
We were on 5-7 down and .7 up which started to fall over with the number of devices etc in the house now.

Crucial

I'd complain about that for a VDSL plan. Something not good there. Should be looking at 20+

Paekakboyz

Only got set up today - Chorus tech dude reckoned we'd be looking at 15-16 max as we are about 1.1-1.3km away from the exchange. He reckoned 900m is getting toward the upper limit to get 20 plus which seems pretty limited in terms of distance. Still an improvement and cheaper than last plan we were on. They will be monitoring performance over the next 10 days so that 13 should improve a bit. Slingshot promote 15-50Mbps depending on distance from exchange on their vdsl plan... wouldn't expect to get much better with spark (or other providers) if the limiting factor is the distance to the exchange?

Crucial

That's OK then. The VDSL is making up some of the ground lost by being that far away. I'm surprised you are even getting a connection at that distance.
 
It's simply the drop off on copper over distance, part of the reason why rolling out fibre is so important, it reduces the factor of distance that is necessary in many of our population areas where it is uneconomic to add another cabinet.

Paekakboyz

Maybe are a bit closer than I thought to the exchange, but I do remember the guy saying 900m+ is getting iffy. I guess that's all taken into consideration when you check what services are available. Yeah the drop off seems gnarly, was feeling very jelly when Kirwan and Tim were posting their stats!!

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