The Semenya Rule
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@Paekakboyz said in The Semenya Rule:
Can't remember which other thread we are talking about this in...
Transgender athletes get places 1 and 2 in sprint race
Caught this from a reddit thread and in the comments they were talking about the transgender MMA fighter Fallon Fox, who actually got beaten (via choke hold) by a more talented female fighter. But that was after s/he'd smashed a bunch of less technically talented female fighters. So the extra strength was enough to beat down on 'lesser' fighters, but once someone skilled came along it was nite nite.
It's the old rule isn't it -
skill is better than size, but size and skill is damn near unbeatable
@nzzp I have lived or storied if we go by BSG tags
experience of this. I played reserve grade rugby in wellington and we had a couple of really good seasons. Enough so that our coach decided to put us up a grade the following season, without much consultation... at least that's how I remember it. I was playing front row and while we did front up against bigger front rows the skills were pretty much on par.But that next grade up? fuck me. Packing down against guys at least 20-30kg heavier, who had often played at least a bit in prems, and were only playing the current grade due to not wanting to train harder, or from other commitments. Had two rib injuries that year, and one scrum I will never forget where my neck was screaming due to the pressure. Scary shit!
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@nzzp I have lived or storied if we go by BSG tags
experience of this. I played reserve grade rugby in wellington and we had a couple of really good seasons. Enough so that our coach decided to put us up a grade the following season, without much consultation... at least that's how I remember it. I was playing front row and while we did front up against bigger front rows the skills were pretty much on par.But that next grade up? fuck me. Packing down against guys at least 20-30kg heavier, who had often played at least a bit in prems, and were only playing the current grade due to not wanting to train harder, or from other commitments. Had two rib injuries that year, and one scrum I will never forget where my neck was screaming due to the pressure. Scary shit!
@Paekakboyz said in The Semenya Rule:
@nzzp I have lived or storied if we go by BSG tags
experience of this. I played reserve grade rugby in wellington and we had a couple of really good seasons. Enough so that our coach decided to put us up a grade the following season, without much consultation... at least that's how I remember it. I was playing front row and while we did front up against bigger front rows the skills were pretty much on par.But that next grade up? fuck me. Packing down against guys at least 20-30kg heavier, who had often played at least a bit in prems, and were only playing the current grade due to not wanting to train harder, or from other commitments. Had two rib injuries that year, and one scrum I will never forget where my neck was screaming due to the pressure. Scary shit!
It's so shit when you pop your head above your ceiling. I've had a few humbling experiences that brought back the stark reality of how untalented and physically limited i really was.
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I've always thought rugby follows the axiom that a good big man will always beat a good little man.
As us little blokes found out the hard way in the 80s and 90s when more PI kids took up rugby@Siam said in The Semenya Rule:
I've always thought rugby follows the axiom that a good big man will always beat a good little man.
As us little blokes found out the hard way in the 80s and 90s when more PI kids took up rugbyabsolutely. You have to be quick, strong, or smart.
And smart will only get you so far.
As a quick aside, now that it's off season, the NFL Instagram has been showing video of the Draft Combine performances of some of the stars. Jesus the level of athletic ability is just amazing.
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@rembrandt said in The Semenya Rule:
@toddy said in The Semenya Rule:
@mooshld said in The Semenya Rule:
@tordah said in The Semenya Rule:
as men are of course outperforming women in every sport (weirdly, bar long distance swimming, or so I read somewhere).
Ultra running as well. Once you go over 150kms gender is very much less relevant.
Is that true? A quick Google of ultra running distances (100miles) has men well ahead of women. The fastest man running 100miles on a track is over 2 hours quicker than the best female.
Even looking at 24 - 48 hour races have the best men covering a lot more distance than the females.
Yeah it was one of those convincing claims in that very popular book "born to run". I think there were a few claims that weren't exactly true.
Check out what Courtney Dauwalter did in the Maub 240. On a race by race basis you get woman winning a lot more frequently then you would if you looked at shorter distances. I didn't say its a 50 50 but like I said gender is less of an issue and you do sometimes get woman winning outright.
@mooshld said in The Semenya Rule:
@rembrandt said in The Semenya Rule:
@toddy said in The Semenya Rule:
@mooshld said in The Semenya Rule:
@tordah said in The Semenya Rule:
as men are of course outperforming women in every sport (weirdly, bar long distance swimming, or so I read somewhere).
Ultra running as well. Once you go over 150kms gender is very much less relevant.
Is that true? A quick Google of ultra running distances (100miles) has men well ahead of women. The fastest man running 100miles on a track is over 2 hours quicker than the best female.
Even looking at 24 - 48 hour races have the best men covering a lot more distance than the females.
Yeah it was one of those convincing claims in that very popular book "born to run". I think there were a few claims that weren't exactly true.
Check out what Courtney Dauwalter did in the Maub 240. On a race by race basis you get woman winning a lot more frequently then you would if you looked at shorter distances. I didn't say its a 50 50 but like I said gender is less of an issue and you do sometimes get woman winning outright.
She’s a freak athlete, I remember heariNg there was an hour or more between her and the next runner.
I’m not sure I buy everything in Born to run but he’s a great writer imho .
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@Paekakboyz said in The Semenya Rule:
@nzzp I have lived or storied if we go by BSG tags
experience of this. I played reserve grade rugby in wellington and we had a couple of really good seasons. Enough so that our coach decided to put us up a grade the following season, without much consultation... at least that's how I remember it. I was playing front row and while we did front up against bigger front rows the skills were pretty much on par.But that next grade up? fuck me. Packing down against guys at least 20-30kg heavier, who had often played at least a bit in prems, and were only playing the current grade due to not wanting to train harder, or from other commitments. Had two rib injuries that year, and one scrum I will never forget where my neck was screaming due to the pressure. Scary shit!
It's so shit when you pop your head above your ceiling. I've had a few humbling experiences that brought back the stark reality of how untalented and physically limited i really was.
@mariner4life ha ha I had zero delusions, unfortunately that wasn't the case with our manager/coach.
I swear one front row probably weighed upward of 380-400kg, I knew one guy was around 140kg and his partners in crime were of similar size. They gassed super quick but they only had to lean against us in the scrum!!
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Can't remember which other thread we are talking about this in...
Transgender athletes get places 1 and 2 in sprint race
Caught this from a reddit thread and in the comments they were talking about the transgender MMA fighter Fallon Fox, who actually got beaten (via choke hold) by a more talented female fighter. But that was after s/he'd smashed a bunch of less technically talented female fighters. So the extra strength was enough to beat down on 'lesser' fighters, but once someone skilled came along it was nite nite.
@Paekakboyz said in The Semenya Rule:
Can't remember which other thread we are talking about this in...
Transgender athletes get places 1 and 2 in sprint race
Caught this from a reddit thread and in the comments they were talking about the transgender MMA fighter Fallon Fox, who actually got beaten (via choke hold) by a more talented female fighter. But that was after s/he'd smashed a bunch of less technically talented female fighters. So the extra strength was enough to beat down on 'lesser' fighters, but once someone skilled came along it was nite nite.
Saw that too. It's pretty harsh on the naturally born females who lose awards, accolades and very probably scholarships and cash because they are getting smashed by dudes.
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@mariner4life ha ha I had zero delusions, unfortunately that wasn't the case with our manager/coach.
I swear one front row probably weighed upward of 380-400kg, I knew one guy was around 140kg and his partners in crime were of similar size. They gassed super quick but they only had to lean against us in the scrum!!
@Paekakboyz 2 seasons ago when TR Jnr was playing U12, a team from Auckland came up to play them, thier front row was almost 300kg...fortunately these guys could barely run, but was bit of a shock for our 150kg front row to see them turn up haha.
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@Siam said in The Semenya Rule:
I've always thought rugby follows the axiom that a good big man will always beat a good little man.
As us little blokes found out the hard way in the 80s and 90s when more PI kids took up rugbyabsolutely. You have to be quick, strong, or smart.
And smart will only get you so far.
As a quick aside, now that it's off season, the NFL Instagram has been showing video of the Draft Combine performances of some of the stars. Jesus the level of athletic ability is just amazing.
@mariner4life said in The Semenya Rule:
As a quick aside, now that it's off season, the NFL Instagram has been showing video of the Draft Combine performances of some of the stars. Jesus the level of athletic ability is just amazing.
haha and by way of comparison, i just watched Tom Brady's. It's not hard to see why he went so low
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Semenya has got some new competition.
Stick a fork in womens Olympics.
Transgender atheletes to be allowed to compete as the other sex in the Olympics WITHOUT having gender reassignment surgery
The International Olympic Committee received proposed guidelines at its 'Consensus Meeting on Sex Reassignment and Hyperandrogenism'
The policy change would allow transgender athletes to compete without having gender reassignment surgery
It would allow transgender athletes to compete after one year of hormone replacement therapy and no surgery is required
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Semenya has got some new competition.
Stick a fork in womens Olympics.
Transgender atheletes to be allowed to compete as the other sex in the Olympics WITHOUT having gender reassignment surgery
The International Olympic Committee received proposed guidelines at its 'Consensus Meeting on Sex Reassignment and Hyperandrogenism'
The policy change would allow transgender athletes to compete without having gender reassignment surgery
It would allow transgender athletes to compete after one year of hormone replacement therapy and no surgery is required
@Salacious-Crumb said in The Semenya Rule:
Semenya has got some new competition.
Stick a fork in womens Olympics.
Transgender atheletes to be allowed to compete as the other sex in the Olympics WITHOUT having gender reassignment surgery
The International Olympic Committee received proposed guidelines at its 'Consensus Meeting on Sex Reassignment and Hyperandrogenism'
The policy change would allow transgender athletes to compete without having gender reassignment surgery
It would allow transgender athletes to compete after one year of hormone replacement therapy and no surgery is required
This is a good development - there should be one category for Olympics: Citius, Altius, Fortius. So women, trans and disabled people can participate by watching from the stands.
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@Salacious-Crumb said in The Semenya Rule:
Semenya has got some new competition.
Stick a fork in womens Olympics.
Transgender atheletes to be allowed to compete as the other sex in the Olympics WITHOUT having gender reassignment surgery
The International Olympic Committee received proposed guidelines at its 'Consensus Meeting on Sex Reassignment and Hyperandrogenism'
The policy change would allow transgender athletes to compete without having gender reassignment surgery
It would allow transgender athletes to compete after one year of hormone replacement therapy and no surgery is required
This is a good development - there should be one category for Olympics: Citius, Altius, Fortius. So women, trans and disabled people can participate by watching from the stands.
@antipodean said in The Semenya Rule:
@Salacious-Crumb said in The Semenya Rule:
Semenya has got some new competition.
Stick a fork in womens Olympics.
Transgender atheletes to be allowed to compete as the other sex in the Olympics WITHOUT having gender reassignment surgery
The International Olympic Committee received proposed guidelines at its 'Consensus Meeting on Sex Reassignment and Hyperandrogenism'
The policy change would allow transgender athletes to compete without having gender reassignment surgery
It would allow transgender athletes to compete after one year of hormone replacement therapy and no surgery is required
This is a good development - there should be one category for Olympics: Citius, Altius, Fortius. So women, trans and disabled people can participate by watching from the stands.
the way the Greeks intended
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@antipodean said in The Semenya Rule:
@Salacious-Crumb said in The Semenya Rule:
Semenya has got some new competition.
Stick a fork in womens Olympics.
Transgender atheletes to be allowed to compete as the other sex in the Olympics WITHOUT having gender reassignment surgery
The International Olympic Committee received proposed guidelines at its 'Consensus Meeting on Sex Reassignment and Hyperandrogenism'
The policy change would allow transgender athletes to compete without having gender reassignment surgery
It would allow transgender athletes to compete after one year of hormone replacement therapy and no surgery is required
This is a good development - there should be one category for Olympics: Citius, Altius, Fortius. So women, trans and disabled people can participate by watching from the stands.
the way the Greeks intended
@mariner4life naked and smeared in Olive Oil?
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@mariner4life naked and smeared in Olive Oil?
@taniwharugby said in The Semenya Rule:
@mariner4life naked and smeared in Olive Oil?
I believe that's the prize awaiting a Spartan.
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@mariner4life naked and smeared in Olive Oil?
@taniwharugby said in The Semenya Rule:
@mariner4life naked and smeared in Olive Oil?
whatever blows your hair back
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@taniwharugby said in The Semenya Rule:
@mariner4life naked and smeared in Olive Oil?
whatever blows your hair back
@mariner4life said in The Semenya Rule:
whatever blows your hair back
Spartans bro (supposedly)
when I ran on original track I did so fully clothed
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Are the olympics still going well though?
Women who are men winning 100m sprint titles cant be good?
@NightmareHitter said in Are you watching the death rattle of all authentic sports?:
Are the olympics still going well though?
Women who are men winning 100m sprint titles cant be good?
Whos the troon who won the 100m ? I missed that one.
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@NightmareHitter said in Are you watching the death rattle of all authentic sports?:
Are the olympics still going well though?
Women who are men winning 100m sprint titles cant be good?
Whos the troon who won the 100m ? I missed that one.
@jegga said in Are you watching the death rattle of all authentic sports?:
@NightmareHitter said in Are you watching the death rattle of all authentic sports?:
Are the olympics still going well though?
Women who are men winning 100m sprint titles cant be good?
Whos the troon who won the 100m ? I missed that one.
South African athlete Caster Folau-Semanya but I think it was more the 400m and 800m
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@jegga said in Are you watching the death rattle of all authentic sports?:
@NightmareHitter said in Are you watching the death rattle of all authentic sports?:
Are the olympics still going well though?
Women who are men winning 100m sprint titles cant be good?
Whos the troon who won the 100m ? I missed that one.
South African athlete Caster Folau-Semanya but I think it was more the 400m and 800m
@Nevorian said in Are you watching the death rattle of all authentic sports?:
@jegga said in Are you watching the death rattle of all authentic sports?:
@NightmareHitter said in Are you watching the death rattle of all authentic sports?:
Are the olympics still going well though?
Women who are men winning 100m sprint titles cant be good?
Whos the troon who won the 100m ? I missed that one.
South African athlete Caster Folau-Semanya but I think it was more the 400m and 800m
I posted earlier they've finally told her to sort out the levels of testosterone her internal testicles produce. About time too, but she doesn't really count as a full on troon tough
https://ewn.co.za/2019/05/01/semenya-loses-court-challenge-against-iaaf-testosterone-rules
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I've always viewed Semenye"s situation as different to say, that transgender weight lifter that a stupid New Zealand let represent us in comm. games.
As far as I know semenye wasn't born with actual meat and two veg.
To hold her to same standards as a born bloke isn't helping clear up this muddy problem imo.
But then again, the gender is a construct people don't actually want to find a solution to this problem, they just want exposure and publicity
