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@Stargazer , I get all of that which is why I mentioned the 'team of 4' (didn't realise the term was now 'pod') and logistics/ location.
When these 'locals' or pod members get elevated to reffing a match you can be certain it will be when lower ranked teams are playing and not, for example, when the Crusaders play the Highlanders.Team 'ranking' will come into consideration in ref allocation at both ends of the scale.
@Crucial I seriously doubt that will play any role in the round robin, but - obviously - the best & more experienced refs will be involved in the finals. Of course, if anyone is looking for a reason to complain about a referee appointment, they can always find one. :winking_face:
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By the way, assuming you're right, would you really prefer that the lower ranked refs get the conference derbies, so that the more experienced refs are free to officiate the other games? -
@Crucial I seriously doubt that will play any role in the round robin, but - obviously - the best & more experienced refs will be involved in the finals. Of course, if anyone is looking for a reason to complain about a referee appointment, they can always find one. :winking_face:
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By the way, assuming you're right, would you really prefer that the lower ranked refs get the conference derbies, so that the more experienced refs are free to officiate the other games?@Stargazer said in Super Rugby News:
@Crucial I seriously doubt that will play any role in the round robin, but - obviously - the best & more experienced refs will be involved in the finals. Of course, if anyone is looking for a reason to complain about a referee appointment, they can always find one. :winking_face:
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By the way, would you really prefer that the lower ranked refs get the conference derbies, so that the more experienced refs are free to officiate the other games?Not angling at that at all. I just think that when a low ranked team is playing another low ranked team the potential for an inexperienced ref increases. With that comes a higher risk of the ref performance influencing the match outcome. Makes it that little bit harder to climb up the ladder.
(of course high ranked teams playing low ranked ones could also be a opportunity to blood a ref but the ability difference can usually overcome the ref) -
@Stargazer said in Super Rugby News:
@Crucial I seriously doubt that will play any role in the round robin, but - obviously - the best & more experienced refs will be involved in the finals. Of course, if anyone is looking for a reason to complain about a referee appointment, they can always find one. :winking_face:
Edited to add:
By the way, would you really prefer that the lower ranked refs get the conference derbies, so that the more experienced refs are free to officiate the other games?Not angling at that at all. I just think that when a low ranked team is playing another low ranked team the potential for an inexperienced ref increases. With that comes a higher risk of the ref performance influencing the match outcome. Makes it that little bit harder to climb up the ladder.
(of course high ranked teams playing low ranked ones could also be a opportunity to blood a ref but the ability difference can usually overcome the ref)@Crucial said in Super Rugby News:
@Stargazer said in Super Rugby News:
@Crucial I seriously doubt that will play any role in the round robin, but - obviously - the best & more experienced refs will be involved in the finals. Of course, if anyone is looking for a reason to complain about a referee appointment, they can always find one. :winking_face:
Edited to add:
By the way, would you really prefer that the lower ranked refs get the conference derbies, so that the more experienced refs are free to officiate the other games?Not angling at that at all. I just think that when a low ranked team is playing another low ranked team the potential for an inexperienced ref increases. With that comes a higher risk of the ref performance influencing the match outcome. Makes it that little bit harder to climb up the ladder.
(of course high ranked teams playing low ranked ones could also be a opportunity to blood a ref but the ability difference can usually overcome the ref)How? If two lower ranked teams play each other, one will get the 4/5 points and (possibly) climb up the ladder (unless it's a draw).
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By being on the wrong end of an inexperienced ref, making it more difficult to get the points you might be 'entitled' to. It could be just a BP, it could be a complete loss.
It's quite simple. The less experienced the ref the higher the risk that he makes errors that impact the result.
I remember the Blues copping some awful reffing in SJKs reign. It was by no means the reason or excuse for their overall performance but it sure made it harder to build confidence or for the team getting frustrated as pressure comes on from all angles.
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By being on the wrong end of an inexperienced ref, making it more difficult to get the points you might be 'entitled' to. It could be just a BP, it could be a complete loss.
It's quite simple. The less experienced the ref the higher the risk that he makes errors that impact the result.
I remember the Blues copping some awful reffing in SJKs reign. It was by no means the reason or excuse for their overall performance but it sure made it harder to build confidence or for the team getting frustrated as pressure comes on from all angles.
As for ref allocation, if I find time I will do some analysis on appointments compared to ranking.@Crucial said in Super Rugby News:
I remember the Blues copping some awful reffing in SJKs reign. It was by no means the reason or excuse for their overall performance but it sure made it harder to build confidence or for the team getting frustrated as pressure comes on from all angles.
Before that we got massively offside by having Ali Williams as captain. Pro Tip: yelling at a ref doesn't help
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From Yealden:
Good afternoon. So that’s the first three rounds of Super Rugby done & with it, the end of the 180 minute restriction for All Blacks, though apparently they aren’t allowed to play more than four games in a row during the season. Here’s what each NZ franchise face over their next six games:BLUES
Sunwolves at home
Highlanders at home
Stormers at home
Waratahs at home
Chiefs away
Highlanders away
Big home stand represents a chance to get back in the mix but IMO can’t afford to drop any of the home gamesCHIEFS
Crusaders away
Hurricanes at home
Bulls away
Jaguares away
Blues at home
Lions at home
Good luck with thatCRUSADERS
Chiefs at home
Highlanders away (love a southern derby)
Waratahs away
Hurricanes away
Brumbies home
Highlanders home
Those three away games in a row could be a challenge to them but they’ve look so organised & ready this season that I doubt it willHIGHLANDERS
Hurricanes away
Crusaders home
Blues away
Hurricanes home
Crusaders away
Blues home
Six straight NZ derbies ... woah! Could be the making of them too thoughHURRICANES
Highlanders home
Chiefs away
Stormers home
Crusaders home
Highlanders away
Sunwolves away
Pretty balanced draw & they looked very sharp with their ABs back in the mixHere’s the NZ conference table after three rounds & as always, your thoughts are welcome too
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From Yealden:
Good afternoon. So that’s the first three rounds of Super Rugby done & with it, the end of the 180 minute restriction for All Blacks, though apparently they aren’t allowed to play more than four games in a row during the season. Here’s what each NZ franchise face over their next six games:BLUES
Sunwolves at home
Highlanders at home
Stormers at home
Waratahs at home
Chiefs away
Highlanders away
Big home stand represents a chance to get back in the mix but IMO can’t afford to drop any of the home gamesCHIEFS
Crusaders away
Hurricanes at home
Bulls away
Jaguares away
Blues at home
Lions at home
Good luck with thatCRUSADERS
Chiefs at home
Highlanders away (love a southern derby)
Waratahs away
Hurricanes away
Brumbies home
Highlanders home
Those three away games in a row could be a challenge to them but they’ve look so organised & ready this season that I doubt it willHIGHLANDERS
Hurricanes away
Crusaders home
Blues away
Hurricanes home
Crusaders away
Blues home
Six straight NZ derbies ... woah! Could be the making of them too thoughHURRICANES
Highlanders home
Chiefs away
Stormers home
Crusaders home
Highlanders away
Sunwolves away
Pretty balanced draw & they looked very sharp with their ABs back in the mixHere’s the NZ conference table after three rounds & as always, your thoughts are welcome too
For the Blues, the Sunwolves may be tricky and the Landers (both games) will be difficult, but they should be able to beat the Stormers, Tahs and Chiefs
For the Chiefs, everything seems difficult at the moment.
For the Crusaders, both Highlanders games and the Canes away will be tough, and also the Tahs game. The Tahs always lift their game when playing the Crusaders and they'll want revenge for last year's game.
Fot the Highlanders, both Hurricanes and Crusaders games will be very tough, and depending on which Blues team turns up, the away game might be difficult too. They seem to have the most difficult 6 games ahead of them with all those derbies. Geez.
For the Hurricanes, both Highlanders games and the Crusaders game will be tough, but the rest should be okay, unless one of those other games proves to be a banana skin.
Some interesting weeks ahead!
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For the Blues, the Sunwolves may be tricky and the Landers (both games) will be difficult, but they should be able to beat the Stormers, Tahs and Chiefs
For the Chiefs, everything seems difficult at the moment.
For the Crusaders, both Highlanders games and the Canes away will be tough, and also the Tahs game. The Tahs always lift their game when playing the Crusaders and they'll want revenge for last year's game.
Fot the Highlanders, both Hurricanes and Crusaders games will be very tough, and depending on which Blues team turns up, the away game might be difficult too. They seem to have the most difficult 6 games ahead of them with all those derbies. Geez.
For the Hurricanes, both Highlanders games and the Crusaders game will be tough, but the rest should be okay, unless one of those other games proves to be a banana skin.
Some interesting weeks ahead!
@Stargazer dunno, for as good as the SW were, I think the Chiefs were poor, the Blues should account for them, but then this is still the BLues I guess.
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Only 1 team unbeaten after 3 rounds, is that some sort of record? I guess we all wanted competition and so far this year has delivered.
@chimoaus competition is only good if your team stays good too
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The Canes have signed Andries Ferreira for the rest of the 2019 SR season.
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Wallabies great Tatafu Polota-Nau is back in Australian rugby and is set to take on the Reds on Saturday night, after the veteran hooker was granted a loan deal. Polota-Nau is in his second season with traditional English heavyweights Leicester Tigers, but has struggled for game in recent months. And after Test rake Tolu Latu was suspended for six weeks, the Waratahs inquired with the English club whether they could lure Polota-Nau back home on a short-term deal. Waratahs coach Daryl Gibson confirmed to reporters in Sydney on Monday afternoon that Polota-Nau was going through the final fine print to secure the deal. “We are pleased to welcome home internationally renowned hooker and NSW Waratahs’ own Tatafu Polota-Nau, to help fill a short term need with our squad,” Gibson said. -
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@Tim fucking oath! They can't come over here, beat the Chiefs and not expect any consequences!
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@Tim If it's true, it's not really surprising. Even with small improvements in performance since they joined the competition, what have they actually contributed to the development of rugby in Japan? You only have to look at the make-up of their squad - with an incredible number of non-Japanese born players - to know that that contribution can't be very significant. This is not a Japanese SR team, this is a multi-national team of SR rejects.
Going back to a SR 14 opens the door to abolishing the conference system and returning to a shorter regular season (13 matches) than currently (16 matches). Fewer games and less travel; it's good from a player welfare point of view, which should also benefit the quality of the games. The question is, what's the financial impact of such a decision on the competition. I have no idea what Japanese broadcasters/sponsors are currently contributing in that respect.
Maybe they should join the Major League Rugby in North America.
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I don’t know what their deal is worth, but I doubt that the Sunwolves bring any many new rugby viewers - most are already fans of the Japan league, and accordingly already subscribe to the main provider (J-sport), so my guess is that you’re right about the lack of impact on TV rights. With that in mind, moving to a 14 team competition would be ideal.
Even better if they split the Jags and got Argentina, the US, Japan, and other pacific teams in a Super rugby D2 division.
