NZ v Bangladesh Test #1
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New ball doing the job our spinners couldn't fortunately.
Bangladesh are a better team than the first innings made them look, but probably not quite as good as the second innings so overall an average performance from our bowling attack. Need to roll the tail to get back ahead.
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Williamson the first NZ batsman to 20 test centuries. To go with Taylor being the first to 20 ODI centuries earlier this summer. A few batting milestones being ticked off, and good to get a couple of names further up the all-time lists.
Williamson isn't yet 29. He could play another 8 years at the top and double his test tally and stats if he stays injury-free. They'd be phenomenal stats.
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NZ pitches being so bloody flat these days doesn't really help with the interest levels, especially against Bangladesh. Watching them score 400+ while losing comprehensively isn't exactly riveting cricket
Still, Boult and Wags in the wickets. Raval gets the 100 monkey off his back. Kane and Tom continue to build on their impressive records. Not much to complain about there.
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@No-Quarter said in NZ v Bangladesh Test #1:
NZ pitches being so bloody flat these days doesn't really help with the interest levels, especially against Bangladesh. Watching them score 400+ while losing comprehensively isn't exactly riveting cricket
Still, Boult and Wags in the wickets. Raval gets the 100 monkey off his back. Kane and Tom continue to build on their impressive records. Not much to complain about there.
a test in which everyone did well except Rossco and Astle.
Difference being one is a legend, the other has a point to prove.
I'm nitpicking an innings victory, its great being a cricket fan these days.
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@Virgil said in NZ v Bangladesh Test #1:
Interesting stat mentioned on the radio this morning, this test summer at home our pace attack have taken 52 Wickets. Spin bowlers 0 wickets.
How many wickets taken by opposition spinners, as this would indicate where we're at in terms of test spinning talent level?
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@shark said in NZ v Bangladesh Test #1:
@Virgil said in NZ v Bangladesh Test #1:
Interesting stat mentioned on the radio this morning, this test summer at home our pace attack have taken 52 Wickets. Spin bowlers 0 wickets.
How many wickets taken by opposition spinners, as this would indicate where we're at in terms of test spinning talent level?
9 wickets
6 across the 2 tests by Sri Lanka and 3 by the Bangles in this test.
Should be pointed out across the 3 tests we have only had to bat 4 times... -
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@shark Not quite - but, if you look at the figures of the specialist spinners in the opposition, they're not pretty e.g. Mehidy 2/246.
The part timers have better figures e.g. Mahmadullah 1/3
If you bowl enough balls you'll probably eventually get a wicket. I doubt our spinners have conceded 246 runs across the three tests.
NZ pitches are a graveyard for any but the absolutely elite spinners - Warne, Murali class.
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@Virgil said in NZ v Bangladesh Test #1:
@shark said in NZ v Bangladesh Test #1:
@Virgil said in NZ v Bangladesh Test #1:
Interesting stat mentioned on the radio this morning, this test summer at home our pace attack have taken 52 Wickets. Spin bowlers 0 wickets.
How many wickets taken by opposition spinners, as this would indicate where we're at in terms of test spinning talent level?
9 wickets
6 across the 2 tests by Sri Lanka and 3 by the Bangles in this test.
Should be pointed out across the 3 tests we have only had to bat 4 times...Interesting.
All spinners this season (in NZ):
240 overs, 9 wickets, at average of 96.00Breakdown by NZ, SL , Bang:
http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/stats/index.html?bowling_pacespin=2;class=1;filter=advanced;groupby=team;host=5;orderby=wickets;spanmin1=01+Dec+2018;spanval1=span;template=results;type=bowling -
For comparison: Seamers this season )
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@Rapido said in NZ v Bangladesh Test #1:
@Virgil said in NZ v Bangladesh Test #1:
@shark said in NZ v Bangladesh Test #1:
@Virgil said in NZ v Bangladesh Test #1:
Interesting stat mentioned on the radio this morning, this test summer at home our pace attack have taken 52 Wickets. Spin bowlers 0 wickets.
How many wickets taken by opposition spinners, as this would indicate where we're at in terms of test spinning talent level?
9 wickets
6 across the 2 tests by Sri Lanka and 3 by the Bangles in this test.
Should be pointed out across the 3 tests we have only had to bat 4 times...Interesting.
All spinners this season (in NZ):
240 overs, 9 wickets, at average of 96.00Breakdown by NZ, SL , Bang:
http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/stats/index.html?bowling_pacespin=2;class=1;filter=advanced;groupby=team;host=5;orderby=wickets;spanmin1=01+Dec+2018;spanval1=span;template=results;type=bowlingThat stat sums it up. 96 runs per wicket is hardly tearing us apart and probably speaks to longevity at the crease as opposed to being threatening.
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@shark said in NZ v Bangladesh Test #1:
@Rapido said in NZ v Bangladesh Test #1:
@Virgil said in NZ v Bangladesh Test #1:
@shark said in NZ v Bangladesh Test #1:
@Virgil said in NZ v Bangladesh Test #1:
Interesting stat mentioned on the radio this morning, this test summer at home our pace attack have taken 52 Wickets. Spin bowlers 0 wickets.
How many wickets taken by opposition spinners, as this would indicate where we're at in terms of test spinning talent level?
9 wickets
6 across the 2 tests by Sri Lanka and 3 by the Bangles in this test.
Should be pointed out across the 3 tests we have only had to bat 4 times...Interesting.
All spinners this season (in NZ):
240 overs, 9 wickets, at average of 96.00Breakdown by NZ, SL , Bang:
http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/stats/index.html?bowling_pacespin=2;class=1;filter=advanced;groupby=team;host=5;orderby=wickets;spanmin1=01+Dec+2018;spanval1=span;template=results;type=bowlingThat stat sums it up. 96 runs per wicket is hardly tearing us apart and probably speaks to longevity at the crease as opposed to being threatening.
43 overs from Ajaz Patel for no wickets also a bit of an indicator of why Astle came back in. Astle the next worst (18 overs) in terms overs bowled for no return.
I think Astle needs to be given this series in full to see what he's got. He's promised in moments but never put it all together and that's possibly because of his stop start career. But a full series against a team that will be one of the easy tests will remove all those excuses and he'll only have himself to blame if he can't produce something. (If he does well in the remaining tests then he's still on probation until he proves himself in tougher circumstances, but he's bought himself time)
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@Cyclops said in NZ v Bangladesh Test #1:
@shark said in NZ v Bangladesh Test #1:
@Rapido said in NZ v Bangladesh Test #1:
@Virgil said in NZ v Bangladesh Test #1:
@shark said in NZ v Bangladesh Test #1:
@Virgil said in NZ v Bangladesh Test #1:
Interesting stat mentioned on the radio this morning, this test summer at home our pace attack have taken 52 Wickets. Spin bowlers 0 wickets.
How many wickets taken by opposition spinners, as this would indicate where we're at in terms of test spinning talent level?
9 wickets
6 across the 2 tests by Sri Lanka and 3 by the Bangles in this test.
Should be pointed out across the 3 tests we have only had to bat 4 times...Interesting.
All spinners this season (in NZ):
240 overs, 9 wickets, at average of 96.00Breakdown by NZ, SL , Bang:
http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/stats/index.html?bowling_pacespin=2;class=1;filter=advanced;groupby=team;host=5;orderby=wickets;spanmin1=01+Dec+2018;spanval1=span;template=results;type=bowlingThat stat sums it up. 96 runs per wicket is hardly tearing us apart and probably speaks to longevity at the crease as opposed to being threatening.
43 overs from Ajaz Patel for no wickets also a bit of an indicator of why Astle came back in. Astle the next worst (18 overs) in terms overs bowled for no return.
I think Astle needs to be given this series in full to see what he's got. He's promised in moments but never put it all together and that's possibly because of his stop start career. But a full series against a team that will be one of the easy tests will remove all those excuses and he'll only have himself to blame if he can't produce something. (If he does well in the remaining tests then he's still on probation until he proves himself in tougher circumstances, but he's bought himself time)
Great post. To be blunt if he can't put away Bangladesh at home he needs to go. Obviously as a team the BCs annihilated them but wickets from Astle woulda made the hammering even more complete. I didn't see any of his bowling but sounds like it was particularly innocuous...
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@MN5 I was leaning that way until I thought more about the spinner stats for us an visitors. Basically sweet F all wickets taken by spinners in any team.
That points directly to our pitches just not offering anything to anyone in terms of spin. Do agree that an absolute gun spinner probably would have found a way to take wickets. But we don't have one, and neither does Sri Lanka or the Bangers going by those stats.
I'm not a big Astle fan but Ajaz had his crack and didn't show much. With our upcoming ODI focus I think giving Astle the series to build a body of work is the best way forward. Would also like to see him get a sniff with a newer ball, but with those seamer stats why would we aye!!
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To be fair we are playing teams that are used to facing spinners that
A. Are better then what we can offer
B. On pitches far more suited to spin.Net session with a local club side back home probably is a bigger challenge for these guys then facing our spin bowling stocks.
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