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    There Should be a vacancy at the Chiefs hopefully.

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      Some good news for Chiefs fans. Chiefs U20 beat Hurricanes U20: 42 - 21.

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      • mofitzy_M mofitzy_

        The 1014 interview with Gatland (in what I assume is his Waihi bach) he says he is looking for a super rugby job next year.

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        @mofitzy_

        1. Gatland to the All Blacks. Foster returna to the Chiefs. You heard it here first.
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          @mofitzy_

          1. Gatland to the All Blacks. Foster returna to the Chiefs. You heard it here first.
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          @sparky be very surprised if Foster went back to chiefs, despite what people here think, I reckon he would command a hefty salary off shore.

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            Dan Carter is not going to Paris. The Chiefs should sign him as their First Five for the rest of the season. Shift DMac back to fullback.

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            • sparkyS sparky

              Dan Carter is not going to Paris. The Chiefs should sign him as their First Five for the rest of the season. Shift DMac back to fullback.

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              @sparky said in Chiefs 2019:

              Dan Carter is not going to Paris. The Chiefs should sign him as their First Five for the rest of the season. Shift DMac back to fullback.

              Wood! Big big wood at that thought!

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                I think it's too easy to blame DMac for some of the mistakes this season, it's hard for the backs to get going when the forwards are having a hard time around the ruck and scrum. It really comes down to the entire team being shit.

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                • YeetyaahY Yeetyaah

                  I think it's too easy to blame DMac for some of the mistakes this season, it's hard for the backs to get going when the forwards are having a hard time around the ruck and scrum. It really comes down to the entire team being shit.

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                  @Yeetyaah said in Chiefs 2019:

                  I think it's too easy to blame DMac for some of the mistakes this season, it's hard for the backs to get going when the forwards are having a hard time around the ruck and scrum. It really comes down to the entire team being shit.

                  he's the whipping boy. Comes with being "mercurial"

                  He's not my favourite player, but he doesn't deserve anywhere near the level of shit he cops (at any level by the way).

                  This season is a collective failure, but the look of Saturday's failure has the hallmarks of some shit coaching.

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                  • mariner4lifeM mariner4life

                    @Yeetyaah said in Chiefs 2019:

                    I think it's too easy to blame DMac for some of the mistakes this season, it's hard for the backs to get going when the forwards are having a hard time around the ruck and scrum. It really comes down to the entire team being shit.

                    he's the whipping boy. Comes with being "mercurial"

                    He's not my favourite player, but he doesn't deserve anywhere near the level of shit he cops (at any level by the way).

                    This season is a collective failure, but the look of Saturday's failure has the hallmarks of some shit coaching.

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                    @mariner4life said in Chiefs 2019:

                    @Yeetyaah said in Chiefs 2019:

                    I think it's too easy to blame DMac for some of the mistakes this season, it's hard for the backs to get going when the forwards are having a hard time around the ruck and scrum. It really comes down to the entire team being shit.

                    he's the whipping boy. Comes with being "mercurial"

                    He's not my favourite player, but he doesn't deserve anywhere near the level of shit he cops (at any level by the way).

                    This season is a collective failure, but the look of Saturday's failure has the hallmarks of some shit coaching.

                    Absolutely. Cooper has to go! No excuses. Three games of dross this season is enough. Tana in disguise!

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                      This team is dross, I think it was badly selected (which may mean they could only get what was available). I don't think that Cooper is a 'bad' coach, but I don't think he's the right coach to mould this bunch. This is actually a perfect team for Rennie and how bad they are probably highlights how good a coach he was, because even when they weren't winning the entire comp under him they were still a dangerous team who made the finals.

                      In saying that maybe this team can come right. I can only live in (false) hope.

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                      • NepiaN Nepia

                        This team is dross, I think it was badly selected (which may mean they could only get what was available). I don't think that Cooper is a 'bad' coach, but I don't think he's the right coach to mould this bunch. This is actually a perfect team for Rennie and how bad they are probably highlights how good a coach he was, because even when they weren't winning the entire comp under him they were still a dangerous team who made the finals.

                        In saying that maybe this team can come right. I can only live in (false) hope.

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                        @Nepia said in Chiefs 2019:

                        I don't think that Cooper is a 'bad' coach,

                        Problem is, he isn't a good coach. Heaps of "is not a good coach" types out there but certainly not for Super Rugby

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                        • NepiaN Nepia

                          This team is dross, I think it was badly selected (which may mean they could only get what was available). I don't think that Cooper is a 'bad' coach, but I don't think he's the right coach to mould this bunch. This is actually a perfect team for Rennie and how bad they are probably highlights how good a coach he was, because even when they weren't winning the entire comp under him they were still a dangerous team who made the finals.

                          In saying that maybe this team can come right. I can only live in (false) hope.

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                          @Nepia said in Chiefs 2019:

                          This team is dross, I think it was badly selected (which may mean they could only get what was available). I don't think that Cooper is a 'bad' coach, but I don't think he's the right coach to mould this bunch. This is actually a perfect team for Rennie and how bad they are probably highlights how good a coach he was, because even when they weren't winning the entire comp under him they were still a dangerous team who made the finals.

                          In saying that maybe this team can come right. I can only live in (false) hope.

                          if this is like the Chiefs of old, we'll come home with a wet sail once all hope of finals is over.

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                            @Nepia said in Chiefs 2019:

                            This team is dross, I think it was badly selected (which may mean they could only get what was available). I don't think that Cooper is a 'bad' coach, but I don't think he's the right coach to mould this bunch. This is actually a perfect team for Rennie and how bad they are probably highlights how good a coach he was, because even when they weren't winning the entire comp under him they were still a dangerous team who made the finals.

                            In saying that maybe this team can come right. I can only live in (false) hope.

                            if this is like the Chiefs of old, we'll come home with a wet sail once all hope of finals is over.

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                            @mariner4life said in Chiefs 2019:

                            @Nepia said in Chiefs 2019:

                            This team is dross, I think it was badly selected (which may mean they could only get what was available). I don't think that Cooper is a 'bad' coach, but I don't think he's the right coach to mould this bunch. This is actually a perfect team for Rennie and how bad they are probably highlights how good a coach he was, because even when they weren't winning the entire comp under him they were still a dangerous team who made the finals.

                            In saying that maybe this team can come right. I can only live in (false) hope.

                            if this is like the Chiefs of old, we'll come home with a wet sail once all hope of finals is over.

                            and stuff up another NZ's teams hopes too. (Not that it bothers me)

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                              SO, after those two performances, we are rewarded with the Crusaders.

                              The Crusaders who are welcoming back All Blacks

                              Well, that's just great. That's just fucking great.

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                                I see a lot of people bagging various players/ coaches about chiefs but I think you just have to live with the fact that this is the squad you have. Cooper, DMAC etc ain't gonna change result. Selections, well who else could they select who would change their season?
                                As a Highlanders supporter I am resigned to the fact that after this year we will struggle. BFA, A Smith, Naholo, Whitelock will change dynamic of team and we need to rebuild.
                                Maybe we have been blessed as rugby fans with depth that is a 20 year cycle??? Just need to put in perspective. I think k maybe Winning 50% would be overachieving with Chiefs squad no matter what happened.

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                                  SO, after those two performances, we are rewarded with the Crusaders.

                                  The Crusaders who are welcoming back All Blacks

                                  Well, that's just great. That's just fucking great.

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                                  @mariner4life said in Chiefs 2019:

                                  SO, after those two performances, we are rewarded with the Crusaders.

                                  The Crusaders who are welcoming back All Blacks

                                  Well, that's just great. That's just fucking great.

                                  You'll be needing this then

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                                    If cooper stays as head coach next year (picking all his cousins from Taranaki) I’ll fucken lose my shit.

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                                      I see a lot of people bagging various players/ coaches about chiefs but I think you just have to live with the fact that this is the squad you have. Cooper, DMAC etc ain't gonna change result. Selections, well who else could they select who would change their season?
                                      As a Highlanders supporter I am resigned to the fact that after this year we will struggle. BFA, A Smith, Naholo, Whitelock will change dynamic of team and we need to rebuild.
                                      Maybe we have been blessed as rugby fans with depth that is a 20 year cycle??? Just need to put in perspective. I think k maybe Winning 50% would be overachieving with Chiefs squad no matter what happened.

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                                      @98blueandgold said in Chiefs 2019:

                                      I see a lot of people bagging various players/ coaches about chiefs but I think you just have to live with the fact that this is the squad you have. Cooper, DMAC etc ain't gonna change result. Selections, well who else could they select who would change their season?
                                      As a Highlanders supporter I am resigned to the fact that after this year we will struggle. BFA, A Smith, Naholo, Whitelock will change dynamic of team and we need to rebuild.
                                      Maybe we have been blessed as rugby fans with depth that is a 20 year cycle??? Just need to put in perspective. I think k maybe Winning 50% would be overachieving with Chiefs squad no matter what happened.

                                      I agree. Although I am highly disappointed that the Chiefs have made me lose interest in Super Rugby so early in the season I am also resigned to the fact that the RWC year and a couple of injuries have not played out well for the makeup of the squad we had to start with.

                                      There seemed to be a lot of finger crossing in the team lineups for the first 3 games and it has caused havoc with combinations.
                                      Who'd have though that Leger would prove to be a better 10 than 12? (Well he's probably a better 3 than 12 to be fair). The loose forwards are all players that have played well before but when Cane is out of the mix they struggle to work by themselves.

                                      Now for the knight in shining armour bit. The easy pickings of having a crack at DMac for running sideways. He only really did this a couple of times that I saw (one really obvious) and it really highlighted the disjointed play of the rest of the team. In the obvious example he had to get the ball from the ruck himself as no one else was going to, when he looked to pass no one was in place as a receiver. He had to run around his own forwards that were being useless in no mans land and all the time was looking for someone to cart the ball up. When no one volunteered he had to look for a half gap himself to buy time and hope for some support at the breakdown.
                                      Yes, it is an aspect of his play that looks like he isn't connected with the team but in this game it was the team that wasn't looking to connect not him. Nankivell was his only active support which is why he adjusted and the two of them worked together a lot in the second half.

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                                        At the start of the season I was thinking our forward pack looked decent enough, mid table at least, and I still think we are under-performing - which has to come down to coaching.

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                                        • mofitzy_M mofitzy_

                                          At the start of the season I was thinking our forward pack looked decent enough, mid table at least, and I still think we are under-performing - which has to come down to coaching.

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                                          @mofitzy_ said in Chiefs 2019:

                                          At the start of the season I was thinking our forward pack looked decent enough, mid table at least, and I still think we are under-performing - which has to come down to coaching.

                                          I'm going to stay consistent here with my previous season comments around the Blues.
                                          I don't agree with this 'dump the coach' reaction and blame throwing whenever a team looks poor. Sure there are times when coaching styles are obviously not the correct one for the personnel but Cooper has proven himself to actually be a good coach. He knows his basics well and has respect from the players.
                                          What the Chiefs players are doing at the moment is real coach killer stuff. Cooper doesn't drop the ball, force the pass, duff the kick, stand back in the tackle.....that shit is all on the players. If all the backs played with the attitude of Nankivell the other night they would have probably won. (and I have never rated him before).
                                          Cooper placed his trust in the squad in the selections and they haven't repayed him.
                                          IMO they are badly missing the likes of Messam who would have ripped strips off his forwards out on the field and at halftime for letting down the tribe. Not having Cane lead from the front is also having a big effect.
                                          I have some small confidence that with the right players back in the right places they can get some shape and results but they have made it bloody hard on themselves to get in a slump before playing the Saders and going on tour.

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