Chiefs 2019
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@antipodean said in Chiefs 2019:
@mariner4life said in Chiefs 2019:
Rennie also had the trait of a lot of good coaches of getting limited players to play their role for the team, and play above themselves doing it. Those title winning sides had some quality players, but they also had a lot of solid players who did the right thing for the team all the time.
Like tackle?
Actually, yes. That was one of the features of those sides - they really showed that much about defense is about attitude and culture. God, remember those days of holding out the Crusaders, inevitably due to huge work-rate from Lats, Messam, Cane? Fuck I miss those days.
@gt12 said in Chiefs 2019:
@antipodean said in Chiefs 2019:
@mariner4life said in Chiefs 2019:
Rennie also had the trait of a lot of good coaches of getting limited players to play their role for the team, and play above themselves doing it. Those title winning sides had some quality players, but they also had a lot of solid players who did the right thing for the team all the time.
Like tackle?
Actually, yes. That was one of the features of those sides - they really showed that much about defense is about attitude and culture. God, remember those days of holding out the Crusaders, inevitably due to huge work-rate from Lats, Messam, Cane? Fuck I miss those days.
Tanerau Latimer wants a fucking word
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@gt12 said in Chiefs 2019:
@antipodean said in Chiefs 2019:
@mariner4life said in Chiefs 2019:
Rennie also had the trait of a lot of good coaches of getting limited players to play their role for the team, and play above themselves doing it. Those title winning sides had some quality players, but they also had a lot of solid players who did the right thing for the team all the time.
Like tackle?
Actually, yes. That was one of the features of those sides - they really showed that much about defense is about attitude and culture. God, remember those days of holding out the Crusaders, inevitably due to huge work-rate from Lats, Messam, Cane? Fuck I miss those days.
Tanerau Latimer wants a fucking word
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How's your reading there? Who's first on that un-edited list?
@gt12 said in Chiefs 2019:
How's your reading there? Who's first on that un-edited list?
look, i don't read stuff, i jump straight to outrage and attack. Reading may temper that somewhat.
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@mariner4life said in Chiefs 2019:
Rennie also had the trait of a lot of good coaches of getting limited players to play their role for the team, and play above themselves doing it. Those title winning sides had some quality players, but they also had a lot of solid players who did the right thing for the team all the time.
Like tackle?
@antipodean said in Chiefs 2019:
@mariner4life said in Chiefs 2019:
Rennie also had the trait of a lot of good coaches of getting limited players to play their role for the team, and play above themselves doing it. Those title winning sides had some quality players, but they also had a lot of solid players who did the right thing for the team all the time.
Like tackle?
And catch the ball.
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@gt12 said in Chiefs 2019:
How's your reading there? Who's first on that un-edited list?
look, i don't read stuff, i jump straight to outrage and attack. Reading may temper that somewhat.
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Look, we're all hurting here, but the Lats love isn't going to die anytime soon for other people too you know.
@gt12 said in Chiefs 2019:
Look, we're all hurting here, but the Lats love isn't going to die anytime soon for other people too you know.
damn, you edited before i could pile in again
I miss you Lats, you were my boy.
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@antipodean said in Chiefs 2019:
@mariner4life said in Chiefs 2019:
Rennie also had the trait of a lot of good coaches of getting limited players to play their role for the team, and play above themselves doing it. Those title winning sides had some quality players, but they also had a lot of solid players who did the right thing for the team all the time.
Like tackle?
And catch the ball.
@Nepia said in Chiefs 2019:
@antipodean said in Chiefs 2019:
@mariner4life said in Chiefs 2019:
Rennie also had the trait of a lot of good coaches of getting limited players to play their role for the team, and play above themselves doing it. Those title winning sides had some quality players, but they also had a lot of solid players who did the right thing for the team all the time.
Like tackle?
And catch the ball.
One thing at a time.
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@Nepia said in Chiefs 2019:
@antipodean said in Chiefs 2019:
@mariner4life said in Chiefs 2019:
Rennie also had the trait of a lot of good coaches of getting limited players to play their role for the team, and play above themselves doing it. Those title winning sides had some quality players, but they also had a lot of solid players who did the right thing for the team all the time.
Like tackle?
And catch the ball.
One thing at a time.
@antipodean said in Chiefs 2019:
@Nepia said in Chiefs 2019:
@antipodean said in Chiefs 2019:
@mariner4life said in Chiefs 2019:
Rennie also had the trait of a lot of good coaches of getting limited players to play their role for the team, and play above themselves doing it. Those title winning sides had some quality players, but they also had a lot of solid players who did the right thing for the team all the time.
Like tackle?
And catch the ball.
One thing at a time.
once we've learned "catch" next week we will learn "hold"
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Seriously though, here are the 2012 and 2013 squads, and I think the biggest part of those squads was getting role players (Taumalolo, Robinson, Tikoirototuma) to complement genuine stars (Retallick, Cane, Cruden). I don't think either of these teams was in the same class - on a player by player basis (excluding Brodie perhaps) - as the Saders in 2012 or 2013, but they all knew their role and had a game-plan with two or more playmakers, strong midfield runners, and pace out wide, with a forward pack full of workers. Furthermore, they had a fucking good coaching team.
Head Coach Dave Rennie
Assistant Coach Wayne Smith
Assistant Coach Tom Coventry
Assistant Coach Andrew StrawbridgeForwards
Toby Smith Prop
Sona Taumalolo Prop
Ben Afeaki Prop
Shane Cleaver Prop
Ben Tameifuna Prop
Hika Elliot Hooker
Mahonri Schwalger Hooker
Romana Graham Lock
Craig Clarke Lock
Mike Fitzgerald Lock
Brodie Retallick Lock
Kane Thompson Lock
Liam Messam Loose Forward
Scott Waldrom Loose Forward
Tanerau Latimer Loose Forward
Sam Cane Loose Forward
Fritz Lee No 8
Alex Bradley No 8Backs
Brendon Leonard Halfback
Tawera Kerr-Barlow Halfback
Aaron Cruden First five-eighth
Andrew Horrell First five-eighth
Jackson Willison Midfield
Sonny Bill Williams Midfield
Richard Kahui Midfield
Aseli Tikoirototuma Midfield
Lelia Masaga Winger
Maritino Nemani Winger
Declan O’Donnell Winger
Tim Nanai-Williams Fullback
Robbie Robinson FullbackHead Coach Dave Rennie
Assistant Coach Wayne Smith
Assistant Coach Tom CoventryForwards
Ben Afeaki Prop
Josh Hohneck Prop
Toby Smith Prop
Solomona Sakalia Prop
Ben Tameifuna Prop
Hikawera Elliot Hooker
Mahonri Schwalger Hooker
Rhys Marshall Hooker
Craig Clarke Lock
Ross Filipo Lock
Mike Fitzgerald Lock
Romana Graham Lock
Brodie Retallick Lock
Sam Cane Loose Forward
Nick Crosswell Loose Forward
Tanerau Latimer Loose Forward
Fritz Lee Loose Forward
Liam Messam Loose ForwardBacks
Tawera Kerr-Barlow Halfback
Brendon Leonard Halfback
Augustine Pulu Halfback
Gareth Anscombe First Five-eighth
Aaron Cruden First Five-eighth
Andrew Horrell First Five-eighth
Bundee Aki Midfield
Richard Kahui Midfield
Charlie Ngatai Midfield
Lelia Masaga Wing
Patrick Osborne Wing
Asaeli Tikoirotuma Wing
Tim Nanai-Williams Fullback
Robbie Robinson Fullback -
Andrew Horrell stands out for me as the guy who played way above himself and was a pretty solid contributor.
Craig Clarke was perfect in the middle as well
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The dangers of looking ahead at the draw. Looks like being an official Hide Behind the Couch fortnight for Chiefs fans...
@Donsteppa would not have picked a 0-5 start, but yeah the next two weeks will be tough going. Mind you the Canes usually struggle in Waikato for some reason.
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Interesting tidbit from Mils on the shortball podcast:
Colin Cooper doesn't coach, he operates as an overall manager. Two of the other coaches are covering two roles each.
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@gt12 said in Chiefs 2019:
@Tim Christ, no wonder they are so poor. Why are we paying him? He's no Eddie Jones.
Coaching/training/managing ..... doesn’t really matter. I wouldn’t read too much into it.
Ever watch an ABs session? It’s not like Shag is packing down with the boys.
Much of the work is in the classroom these days. -
@gt12 said in Chiefs 2019:
@Tim Christ, no wonder they are so poor. Why are we paying him? He's no Eddie Jones.
Coaching/training/managing ..... doesn’t really matter. I wouldn’t read too much into it.
Ever watch an ABs session? It’s not like Shag is packing down with the boys.
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All good points, except the team clearly needs coaching, training, and managing - none of which Cooper seems capable of. Selecting too, something else he sucks at.
@gt12 said in Chiefs 2019:
All good points, except the team clearly needs coaching, training, and managing - none of which Cooper seems capable of. Selecting too, something else he sucks at.
Tbf he has had one hand tied behind his back with injuries and rest requirements. I’ll give him a little latitude in that area.
The bit I don’t get is them playing with fuck all attitude even to celebrate BBBRs 100.
It’s like they have been calmed down too much
