2019 under 20's
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@Stargazer Toala is only a Fullback option after watching him imo, his D is just not good enough and he needs more space which fullback would give. Issue is can he beat out Nanai or Trask??
@98blueandgold How many games have you seen him play?
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@98blueandgold How many games have you seen him play?
@Stargazer over the last couple years about 6 live games. Just every game I watch he shows improvement and seems to play better against better players.
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@cgrant I thought Uluilakepa could play both? im probably wrong though.
@98blueandgold I saw him play loose head once and he got demolished. With the right coaching / mentoring this guy has the potential to be a beast though.
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@antipodean said in 2019 under 20's:
@Stargazer said in 2019 under 20's:
@antipodean That link goes to an old file dated 1 July 2016.
My point still stands on residential requirements.
Yes. I hope that the Ferner who posted that the residency requirement only starts to run from the moment a player leaves school if he hasn't moved to the new country (as a minor) with his family, can refer us to an actual regulation or WR / NZR document. I've never been able to find it.
@Stargazer said in 2019 under 20's:
@antipodean said in 2019 under 20's:
@Stargazer said in 2019 under 20's:
@antipodean That link goes to an old file dated 1 July 2016.
My point still stands on residential requirements.
Yes. I hope that the Ferner who posted that the residency requirement only starts to run from the moment a player leaves school if he hasn't moved to the new country (as a minor) with his family, can refer us to an actual regulation or WR / NZR document. I've never been able to find it.
https://www.world.rugby/news/155038?lang=en
14. How is the Residence criteria satisfied?
Regulation 8.1(c) requires a Player to complete 60 consecutive months of Residence immediately preceding the time of playing . Regulation 8(d) requires a Player to complete 10 years of cumulative Residence preceding the time of playing⁴. Residence is defined as “the place or location in which the Player has his primary and permanent home” and Resident shall be construed accordingly. In essence, Regulation 8.1(c) and Regulation 8.1(d) constitute a sporting naturalization procedure, based on a geographical/presence test. As in any naturalisation process, a number of factors will influence the determination of what constitutes a Player’s permanent and primary home. Such factors include, but are not limited to, the actual time spent in a country and the purpose of any absences during the qualification period. By being Resident in a country for a period of 60 consecutive months⁵ immediately preceding the time of playing for a Union, or 10 cumulative years over the course of the Player’s lifetime, a Player is deemed to acquire a credible, close and established national link with a country or Union that entitles him to participate in sporting competitions for that Union. Based on the overriding rationale of the eligibility Regulations, in cases where a Player’s eligibility is uncertain the Regulations Committee will consider that Player’s eligibility by reference to the particular facts and circumstances of his case to establish if the Residency test, in the context of the overall rationale of the eligibility Regulations, has been satisfied. The principles set out in responses to the questions below will act as guidelines to the Regulations Committee when it is asked to consider any cases pursuant to this criterion.
19. What is the position of students?
As far as students are concerned, particularly those that are not financially independent, being resident, as a full-time student, in another country, is likely to be considered as a series of temporary absences from the parental home. It is anticipated that in the majority of cases involving students the parental home is likely to continue to constitute the student’s permanent and primary home. Accordingly, attendance at college/university in such circumstances is unlikely to break a Player’s consecutive period of Residence. However, as in all matters of eligibility, the overriding concern of the Regulations Committee in assessing any such case will be to ensure that there remains a close, credible and established link with the country in which the Player claims to have retained his primary and permanent home. There could be circumstances in which a student living in another country may be deemed to have interrupted his Residency period.
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@Stargazer said in 2019 under 20's:
Players unavailable due to Super Rugby and Sevens commitments
Caleb Clarke (Blues), Etene Nanai Seturo (Chiefs), Billy Proctor (Hurricanes), Leicester Faingaanuku (Crusaders), Scott Gregory (All Blacks Sevens)so they are unavailable for the trial, but will they be made available for selection of the squad for the Cup?
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@Stargazer said in 2019 under 20's:
@antipodean said in 2019 under 20's:
@Stargazer said in 2019 under 20's:
@antipodean That link goes to an old file dated 1 July 2016.
My point still stands on residential requirements.
Yes. I hope that the Ferner who posted that the residency requirement only starts to run from the moment a player leaves school if he hasn't moved to the new country (as a minor) with his family, can refer us to an actual regulation or WR / NZR document. I've never been able to find it.
https://www.world.rugby/news/155038?lang=en
14. How is the Residence criteria satisfied?
Regulation 8.1(c) requires a Player to complete 60 consecutive months of Residence immediately preceding the time of playing . Regulation 8(d) requires a Player to complete 10 years of cumulative Residence preceding the time of playing⁴. Residence is defined as “the place or location in which the Player has his primary and permanent home” and Resident shall be construed accordingly. In essence, Regulation 8.1(c) and Regulation 8.1(d) constitute a sporting naturalization procedure, based on a geographical/presence test. As in any naturalisation process, a number of factors will influence the determination of what constitutes a Player’s permanent and primary home. Such factors include, but are not limited to, the actual time spent in a country and the purpose of any absences during the qualification period. By being Resident in a country for a period of 60 consecutive months⁵ immediately preceding the time of playing for a Union, or 10 cumulative years over the course of the Player’s lifetime, a Player is deemed to acquire a credible, close and established national link with a country or Union that entitles him to participate in sporting competitions for that Union. Based on the overriding rationale of the eligibility Regulations, in cases where a Player’s eligibility is uncertain the Regulations Committee will consider that Player’s eligibility by reference to the particular facts and circumstances of his case to establish if the Residency test, in the context of the overall rationale of the eligibility Regulations, has been satisfied. The principles set out in responses to the questions below will act as guidelines to the Regulations Committee when it is asked to consider any cases pursuant to this criterion.
19. What is the position of students?
As far as students are concerned, particularly those that are not financially independent, being resident, as a full-time student, in another country, is likely to be considered as a series of temporary absences from the parental home. It is anticipated that in the majority of cases involving students the parental home is likely to continue to constitute the student’s permanent and primary home. Accordingly, attendance at college/university in such circumstances is unlikely to break a Player’s consecutive period of Residence. However, as in all matters of eligibility, the overriding concern of the Regulations Committee in assessing any such case will be to ensure that there remains a close, credible and established link with the country in which the Player claims to have retained his primary and permanent home. There could be circumstances in which a student living in another country may be deemed to have interrupted his Residency period.
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@Stargazer said in 2019 under 20's:
Players unavailable due to Super Rugby and Sevens commitments
Caleb Clarke (Blues), Etene Nanai Seturo (Chiefs), Billy Proctor (Hurricanes), Leicester Faingaanuku (Crusaders), Scott Gregory (All Blacks Sevens)so they are unavailable for the trial, but will they be made available for selection of the squad for the Cup?
@taniwharugby That is usually what happens unless their Super side desperately needs their services.
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@Stargazer said in 2019 under 20's:
Players unavailable due to Super Rugby and Sevens commitments
Caleb Clarke (Blues), Etene Nanai Seturo (Chiefs), Billy Proctor (Hurricanes), Leicester Faingaanuku (Crusaders), Scott Gregory (All Blacks Sevens)so they are unavailable for the trial, but will they be made available for selection of the squad for the Cup?
@taniwharugby said in 2019 under 20's:
@Stargazer said in 2019 under 20's:
Players unavailable due to Super Rugby and Sevens commitments
Caleb Clarke (Blues), Etene Nanai Seturo (Chiefs), Billy Proctor (Hurricanes), Leicester Faingaanuku (Crusaders), Scott Gregory (All Blacks Sevens)so they are unavailable for the trial, but will they be made available for selection of the squad for the Cup?
That's a good question. Jordie Barrett wasn't made available for the second year (2017) he was eligible for the NZU20, was he?
I guess it depends on a player's status within the team. If he's in the match day 23 regularly, or if there are many injuries, you'll have good reason to doubt he'll be available for the NZ U20s. If I'd have to guess, I'd say it's more likely that Proctor and Faingaanuku will play at the JWC than Clarke and Nanai Seturo. Gregory might be released from the AB7s for the last leg of the World Series, depending on the return of now injured players.
Edit: correction. Jordie Barrett made the AB7s in 2017.
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@Stargazer another one gone from the Lincoln squad. If all the Lincoln boys make the World Cup the dynasty could be over. They’ve lost quite a few from last years team and not many good colts from last year
@chchfanatic said in 2019 under 20's:
@Stargazer another one gone from the Lincoln squad. If all the Lincoln boys make the World Cup the dynasty could be over. They’ve lost quite a few from last years team and not many good colts from last year
Good, I’m sick of the students winning everything.
Hopefully Sydenham can make the step up. Although they will probably choke again come semi finals.
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The Oceania Rugby U20 Championship takes place at Bond University on the Gold Coast over three rounds next month from April 26 to 4 May 2019 and will feature the Junior Wallabies, New Zealand U20, Japan U20s and Fiji U20 teams.2019 Oceania Rugby U20 Championship Schedule (Bond University Rugby Club)
Match Round 1: Friday 26 April 2019
New Zealand v Fiji – Kick off 7pm NZT (5pm, AEST)
Australia v Japan – Kick off 9pm NZT (7pm, AEST)Match Round 2: Tuesday 30 April 2019
New Zealand v Japan – Kick off 7pm NZT (5pm, AEST)
Australia v Fiji – Kick off 9pm NZT (7pm, AEST)Match Round 3: Saturday 4 May 2019
Japan v Fiji – Kick off 7pm NZT (5pm, AEST)
New Zealand v Australia – Kick off 9pm NZT (7pm, AEST)http://www.oceaniarugby.com/pageitem.aspx?id=171226&id2=1&eID=66726&entityID=66726
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The NZ U20s squad for the Oceania U20 Championship has been named:
Forwards:
Naitoa Ah Kuoi - Wellington
Kaylum Boshier - Taranaki
George Dyer - Waikato
Samipeni Finau - Waikato
Devan Flanders - Hawke's Bay
Cullen Grace - Canterbury
Kohan Herbert - Bay of Plenty
Kianu Kereru Symes - Hawke's Bay
Shilo Klein - Canterbury
Jeriah Mua - Bay of Plenty
Fletcher Newell - Canterbury
Ollie Norris - Waikato
Simon Parker - Waikato
Taine Plumtree - Wellington
Kaliopasi Uluilakepa - Wellington
Tupou Vaa’i - Taranaki
Tamaiti Williams - CanterburyBacks:
Fergus Burke - Canterbury
Leroy Carter - Bay of Plenty
Leicester Faingaanuku - Ta$man
Cole Forbes - Bay of Plenty
Taufa Funaki - Auckland
Sam Gilbert - Canterbury
Lalomilo Lalomilo - Bay of Plenty
Dallas McLeod - Canterbury
Rivez Reihana - Waikato
Etene Nanai Seturo - Counties Manukau
Danny Toala - Hawke's Bay
Quinn Tupaea - Waikato*One back to be added
Players not considered due to Super Rugby commitments: Caleb Clarke (Auckland/Blues), Billy Proctor (Wellington/Hurricanes)
Players not considered due to injury: Scott Gregory (Northland), Kaleb Trask (Bay of Plenty), Finlay Brewis (Canterbury), Jack Heighton (North Harbour), Callum Harkin (Wellington)
Philpott said while the 30 players that head to Australia to defend the Oceania title will form the core of the World Championship squad, the door is not closed for those left behind. “Last year was a perfect example. Injuries dictated that we called seven players into our squad. The message is clear to those players who have missed initial selection; that we need them to be ready when the call comes." Also in contention for World Championships will be those players currently injured and those with Super Rugby duties. Philpott made special mention of the Chiefs and Crusaders releasing Etene Nanai-Seturo and Leicester Faingaanuku respectively to be part of the Oceania campaign.http://www.allblacks.com/News/33937/new-zealand-under-20s-named-for-first-tournament-of-2019
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The players who attended the first and/or second camp, but missed out:
Forwards
Iona Apineru - Wellington
Rob Cobb - Auckland
Sam Cooper - Waikato
Sam Dickson - Otago
Tovo Lesinali Faleafa - Auckland
Iosefa Maloney-Fiaola - Bay of Plenty
Josh Hill - Otago
Shamus Hurley Langton - Wellington
Michael Loft - Taranaki
Isileli Manu - Auckland
Kershawl Sykes Martin - Ta$man
Josiah Tavita-Metcalfe - Hawkes Bay
Tane Te Aho - Wellington (hooker)
James Thompson - Waikato
Matt Graham Williams - Ta$manBacks
Luke Donaldson - Canterbury
Chay Fihaki - Canterbury
Connor Garden Bachop - Wellington
Jack Gray - Auckland
Awatere Kiwara - Manawatu
Lincoln McClutchie - Hawke's Bay
Brad McNaughten - North Harbour
Emoni Narawa - Bay of Plenty
Isaiah Punivai - Canterbury
Dennon Robinson Barlett - Bay of Plenty
Zarn Sullivan - Auckland
Reuben Va’a - Wellington -
The players who attended the first and/or second camp, but missed out:
Forwards
Iona Apineru - Wellington
Rob Cobb - Auckland
Sam Cooper - Waikato
Sam Dickson - Otago
Tovo Lesinali Faleafa - Auckland
Iosefa Maloney-Fiaola - Bay of Plenty
Josh Hill - Otago
Shamus Hurley Langton - Wellington
Michael Loft - Taranaki
Isileli Manu - Auckland
Kershawl Sykes Martin - Ta$man
Josiah Tavita-Metcalfe - Hawkes Bay
Tane Te Aho - Wellington (hooker)
James Thompson - Waikato
Matt Graham Williams - Ta$manBacks
Luke Donaldson - Canterbury
Chay Fihaki - Canterbury
Connor Garden Bachop - Wellington
Jack Gray - Auckland
Awatere Kiwara - Manawatu
Lincoln McClutchie - Hawke's Bay
Brad McNaughten - North Harbour
Emoni Narawa - Bay of Plenty
Isaiah Punivai - Canterbury
Dennon Robinson Barlett - Bay of Plenty
Zarn Sullivan - Auckland
Reuben Va’a - Wellington@Stargazer Connor Garden Bachop would have been in there but he is aparently injured, same with McLutchie and Punivai.
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His (CG-B) name is not in the "not considered due to injury" list, so probably not, unless he's the "one player to be added". McClutchie played club rugby last Wednesday and I haven't read anything about him getting injured either. Don't know about Punivai.
PS: the allblacks dot com website has been wrong with lists before, but I can't imagine them forgetting three players.
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Interesting re McLutchie, CGB hasn't played or isn't down to play in this weeks Club rugby so i'm assuming he's injured atm.
Surely those guys make it in having all played NPC.
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Interesting re McLutchie, CGB hasn't played or isn't down to play in this weeks Club rugby so i'm assuming he's injured atm.
Surely those guys make it in having all played NPC.
@Canes4life I'm not sure whether they'll make the JWC squad. The media release says the squad for the Oceania U20s is the core of the JWC squad and seems to suggest that players who missed out, depend on injuries to get in.
Only one player to be added for the Oceania U20s.
It's annoying, because McClutchie was clearly better than Reihana when they played for NZ Schools, McClutchie was very good for the Magpies. I don't know whether Reihana has any NPC experience, but certainly not as much and not as significant as McClutchie. Can't say much about Burke; can't remember him. I assume he played for Canterbury U19s last year.
