Chiefs 2019
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New Zealand's famed coaching tree is providing more fruit to export markets than it is for the domestic consumer. I spent the weekend in Taranaki and there were some fairly loud rumblings that at least two of the Chiefs' coaching panel do not see eye-to-eye.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/rugby/news/article.cfm?c_id=80&objectid=12211560
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New Zealand's famed coaching tree is providing more fruit to export markets than it is for the domestic consumer. I spent the weekend in Taranaki and there were some fairly loud rumblings that at least two of the Chiefs' coaching panel do not see eye-to-eye.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/rugby/news/article.cfm?c_id=80&objectid=12211560
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@Tim all I hear is Aucklanders doing the Muttley laugh when whenever I see Chiefs mentioned
@Hooroo said in Chiefs 2019:
@Tim all I hear is Aucklanders doing the Muttley laugh when whenever I see Chiefs mentioned
That's the biggest indictment of Colin Cooper and friends.
The Blues are playing yet another season like they've all had to be kicked off the Playstation to be there, but they'll still be a comfortable fourth in the NZ conference.
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@Hooroo said in Chiefs 2019:
@Tim all I hear is Aucklanders doing the Muttley laugh when whenever I see Chiefs mentioned
That's the biggest indictment of Colin Cooper and friends.
The Blues are playing yet another season like they've all had to be kicked off the Playstation to be there, but they'll still be a comfortable fourth in the NZ conference.
@Donsteppa said in Chiefs 2019:
@Hooroo said in Chiefs 2019:
@Tim all I hear is Aucklanders doing the Muttley laugh when whenever I see Chiefs mentioned
The Blues are playing yet another season like they've all had to be kicked off the Playstation to be there, but they'll still be a comfortable fourth in the NZ conference.
If Harry Plummer had kicked that first round penalty, the fans would be planning the pictures on the jumbo jet and the ticker tape parade.
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@Hooroo said in Chiefs 2019:
@Tim all I hear is Aucklanders doing the Muttley laugh when whenever I see Chiefs mentioned
That's the biggest indictment of Colin Cooper and friends.
The Blues are playing yet another season like they've all had to be kicked off the Playstation to be there, but they'll still be a comfortable fourth in the NZ conference.
@Donsteppa said in Chiefs 2019:
The Blues are playing yet another season like they've all had to be kicked off the Playstation to be there, but they'll still be a comfortable fourth in the NZ conference.
Hey, if we play well it could be third!
nah, you're right. Fourth, and we'll be not too disappointed with it
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@mariner4life I think it has a lot to do with lack of confidence. At some stage during their last game, several Chiefs players looked like they were panicking. Mental skills probably a worse problem than other skills.
@Stargazer said in Chiefs 2019:
@mariner4life I think it has a lot to do with lack of confidence. At some stage during their last game, several Chiefs players looked like they were panicking. Mental skills probably a worse problem than other skills.
So how do we fix this? Hire Gilbert Enoka? Something needs to be done and bloody quick
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@KiwiMurph said in Chiefs 2019:
Good to see common sense being applied.
We don't want that - the Chiefs will break him. :angry_face:
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Interesting discussion of the Chiefs woes on the Shortball podcast today. Apparently (new defence coach) Neil Barnes came up with a new defensive system, and trained the players with it. When the AB's returned it was found that "it would take too long to get them up to speed with it", so it was abandoned. Hence their defence is truly shit.
Problems with returning ABs not getting with the program are vintage Blues stuff. This also goes along with the rumours of senior players and coaches not seeing eye-to-eye. Perhaps it is a player attitude problem?
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Interesting discussion of the Chiefs woes on the Shortball podcast today. Apparently (new defence coach) Neil Barnes came up with a new defensive system, and trained the players with it. When the AB's returned it was found that "it would take too long to get them up to speed with it", so it was abandoned. Hence their defence is truly shit.
Problems with returning ABs not getting with the program are vintage Blues stuff. This also goes along with the rumours of senior players and coaches not seeing eye-to-eye. Perhaps it is a player attitude problem?
Something sounds very amateur about that.
It can't be that the ABs aren't professional enough to learn, so it could be attitude, but they still have Cane and BBBR - can't seem them being problematic and they are senior enough to take others with them.
So, it is more likely that the system had some problems - perhaps pointed out by the returning players, or that it takes too long for training, in which case it's too complex (but what kind of defence is that complicated).
And this is also separate to them straight up missing tackles - which is why I assume ENS has been sat down - I think he has been missing 3-4 a game.
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Something sounds very amateur about that.
It can't be that the ABs aren't professional enough to learn, so it could be attitude, but they still have Cane and BBBR - can't seem them being problematic and they are senior enough to take others with them.
So, it is more likely that the system had some problems - perhaps pointed out by the returning players, or that it takes too long for training, in which case it's too complex (but what kind of defence is that complicated).
And this is also separate to them straight up missing tackles - which is why I assume ENS has been sat down - I think he has been missing 3-4 a game.
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What do you mean by that?
I would have thought that the AB coaches would be liaising with the franchises and I can't see how the Chiefs couldn't have just rested the ABs until they worked out the new system.
On reflection, I think it has to be something else, like perhaps the players seeing through the coaches and wondering why the fuck they are being trained by people not good enough to be there? If there is a player attitude problem, I'll bet it starts with that - many of these guys had Rennie and Smith and Coventry and may quite simply think that these guys are muppets. That's what the evidence suggests so far.
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What do you mean by that?
I would have thought that the AB coaches would be liaising with the franchises and I can't see how the Chiefs couldn't have just rested the ABs until they worked out the new system.
On reflection, I think it has to be something else, like perhaps the players seeing through the coaches and wondering why the fuck they are being trained by people not good enough to be there? If there is a player attitude problem, I'll bet it starts with that - many of these guys had Rennie and Smith and Coventry and may quite simply think that these guys are muppets. That's what the evidence suggests so far.
@gt12 Frankly, the NZRU has been pulling players out of games and preseason training in Super Rugby and the NPC, and it's really showing it's effect this year. Those competitions are not treated as first class, and it damages the product. I was really pissed off with how they pulled players out of the NPC playoffs, and put AB's back into them, with zero regard for how it affected the competition.
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What do you mean by that?
I would have thought that the AB coaches would be liaising with the franchises and I can't see how the Chiefs couldn't have just rested the ABs until they worked out the new system.
On reflection, I think it has to be something else, like perhaps the players seeing through the coaches and wondering why the fuck they are being trained by people not good enough to be there? If there is a player attitude problem, I'll bet it starts with that - many of these guys had Rennie and Smith and Coventry and may quite simply think that these guys are muppets. That's what the evidence suggests so far.
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@gt12 Frankly, the NZRU has been pulling players out of games and preseason training in Super Rugby and the NPC, and it's really showing it's effect this year. Those competitions are not treated as first class, and it damages the product. I was really pissed off with how they pulled players out of the NPC playoffs, and put AB's back into them, with zero regard for how it affected the competition.
I see. I agree that these competitions get the short-end sometimes, but I'm not as worried about it or at least what I want to say is that as long as the Abs keep winning, I have n problem with it. I'll happily have a winless Chiefs season if it ends up with the ABs winning the world cup.
Right now though the Chiefs problems aren't, IMO, a problem of the ABs or treatment of teams by the NZRU - it's simpler than that - just shitty coaching and selecting.
