2020 All Blacks Squad
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@Calabas you could probably add Vince Aso to that equation, can cover 12, 13 and both wings. Would have him ahead of Mataele.
First five looks a major worry
@Canes4life said in 2020 All Blacks Squad:
@Calabas you could probably add Vince Aso to that equation, can cover 12, 13 and both wings. Would have him ahead of Mataele.
First five looks a major worry
Agree. It will be interesting to see how someone like Josh Ioane goes until then. At this stage, he's the frontrunner for the third spot for me, but still a lot of water to go under the bridge. Harry Plummer and Jack Debreczeni will be worth a look, too (and maybe I should mention Brett Cameron, although only because he has been capped, not because I've actually seen a reason why he should be). And who knows, what happens during this year's M10 Cup and the 2020 SR season. Tiaan Falcon has potential, but he has to stay in one piece first and show it on the paddock.
As to outside backs, Aso is more versatile, but Mataele is the better wing. I think Alaimalo is worth a look, too. And who knows, maybe by the end of the SR season, Sevu Reece may be on the ABs radar, too.
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@Canes4life said in 2020 All Blacks Squad:
@Calabas you could probably add Vince Aso to that equation, can cover 12, 13 and both wings. Would have him ahead of Mataele.
First five looks a major worry
Agree. It will be interesting to see how someone like Josh Ioane goes until then. At this stage, he's the frontrunner for the third spot for me, but still a lot of water to go under the bridge. Harry Plummer and Jack Debreczeni will be worth a look, too (and maybe I should mention Brett Cameron, although only because he has been capped, not because I've actually seen a reason why he should be). And who knows, what happens during this year's M10 Cup and the 2020 SR season. Tiaan Falcon has potential, but he has to stay in one piece first and show it on the paddock.
As to outside backs, Aso is more versatile, but Mataele is the better wing. I think Alaimalo is worth a look, too. And who knows, maybe by the end of the SR season, Sevu Reece may be on the ABs radar, too.
@Stargazer TJ Va'a
I'd prefer Aso. He was deadly on the right wing for the Canes in 2017 (second top try scorer in Super) and has a calmness about him that would help him thrive in the All Blacks. Hansen said he would have selected him last year if it wasn't for his injury. If you have Bridge and Jordan, then there is no need for Havili aswell. Aso at 101kg offers that point of difference.
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@KiwiMurph I don't think they would be this year though.
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@Stargazer I thought this was for 2020?
@KiwiMurph Ooops, yeah, true. I'll rephrase. I don't think they would be next year, though, unless he shows a lot of improvement compared to 2018. And to show that, he needs to get opportunities to play at 10. With Plummer and Black ahead of him in the Blues pecking order, those opportunities will be rare this year if Plummer and Black can stay injury free and play well. Whether he'll get them for the Blues next year, depends also on whether they re-sign Black.
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@Tim so basically Gregor drawing conclusions from media articles and sound bites?
I used to like his articles (going back a few years) but he seems to have turned into a bit of a lazy hack trying (not as hard as Twats and Treason) for clicks.
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@Tim so basically Gregor drawing conclusions from media articles and sound bites?
I used to like his articles (going back a few years) but he seems to have turned into a bit of a lazy hack trying (not as hard as Twats and Treason) for clicks.
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@taniwharugby I thought his claim that only Foster and Cotter would apply was interesting.
@Tim said in 2020 All Blacks Squad:
@taniwharugby I thought his claim that only Foster and Cotter would apply was interesting.
I reckon there is some merit in the claim. Either there are some coaches out there that are keeping their powder dry to see how the WC goes or they simply don’t want to apply.
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@Tim said in 2020 All Blacks Squad:
@taniwharugby I thought his claim that only Foster and Cotter would apply was interesting.
I reckon there is some merit in the claim. Either there are some coaches out there that are keeping their powder dry to see how the WC goes or they simply don’t want to apply.
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@ACT-Crusader The reasoning that some didn't want to wait until after the world cup to secure a job was fairly sound, I thought.
@Tim but this is all his speculation though isnt it, I know these guys usually get good oil but he seems to be veering from the mark more often than not lately...
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@Bones said in 2020 All Blacks Squad:
Why do people keep insisting Goodhue is a 12?
Because, just like us backs think 1 and 3 are interchangeable, dumb ex forwards thing 12 and 13 are as well.
As an aside, Nonu showed the other day that in the current game even a small loss of first steps pace through age will be exposed by a younger skilled player in the wider channels.
There was a good reason that Umaga moved from 14 to 13 to 12 as he got older.@Crucial said in 2020 All Blacks Squad:
@Bones said in 2020 All Blacks Squad:
Why do people keep insisting Goodhue is a 12?
Because, just like us backs think 1 and 3 are interchangeable, dumb ex forwards thing 12 and 13 are as well.
As an aside, Nonu showed the other day that in the current game even a small loss of first steps pace through age will be exposed by a younger skilled player in the wider channels.
There was a good reason that Umaga moved from 14 to 13 to 12 as he got older.Goodhue played regularly as a second five eight for Northland in the Mitre 10 Cup. I am not as dumb as you think I am.
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@Chris-B said in 2020 All Blacks Squad:
What do y'all reckon Hansen will do next?
Standup comedy circuit?
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@Crucial said in 2020 All Blacks Squad:
@Bones said in 2020 All Blacks Squad:
Why do people keep insisting Goodhue is a 12?
Because, just like us backs think 1 and 3 are interchangeable, dumb ex forwards thing 12 and 13 are as well.
As an aside, Nonu showed the other day that in the current game even a small loss of first steps pace through age will be exposed by a younger skilled player in the wider channels.
There was a good reason that Umaga moved from 14 to 13 to 12 as he got older.Goodhue played regularly as a second five eight for Northland in the Mitre 10 Cup. I am not as dumb as you think I am.
@cgrant said in 2020 All Blacks Squad:
@Crucial said in 2020 All Blacks Squad:
@Bones said in 2020 All Blacks Squad:
Why do people keep insisting Goodhue is a 12?
Because, just like us backs think 1 and 3 are interchangeable, dumb ex forwards thing 12 and 13 are as well.
As an aside, Nonu showed the other day that in the current game even a small loss of first steps pace through age will be exposed by a younger skilled player in the wider channels.
There was a good reason that Umaga moved from 14 to 13 to 12 as he got older.Goodhue played regularly as a second five eight for Northland in the Mitre 10 Cup. I am not as dumb as you think I am.
Yes you are
Until I see Goodhue playing 12 regularly at Super level then he isn't in the mix to play 12 at internationals.
I'm fairly sure that's what @Bones was getting at as well.Crotty and ALB are interchangeable at 12/13. Nonu isn't, nor are SBW and Laumape unless against a minnow team. Goodhue possibly has the ability but not the experience (just like ALB was until injury needs forced the selectors to test him).
If that happens for Goodhue and he proves himself then great but at the moment he is in the AB picture as a 13 that could play 12 if circumstances required -
@cgrant said in 2020 All Blacks Squad:
@Crucial said in 2020 All Blacks Squad:
@Bones said in 2020 All Blacks Squad:
Why do people keep insisting Goodhue is a 12?
Because, just like us backs think 1 and 3 are interchangeable, dumb ex forwards thing 12 and 13 are as well.
As an aside, Nonu showed the other day that in the current game even a small loss of first steps pace through age will be exposed by a younger skilled player in the wider channels.
There was a good reason that Umaga moved from 14 to 13 to 12 as he got older.Goodhue played regularly as a second five eight for Northland in the Mitre 10 Cup. I am not as dumb as you think I am.
Yes you are
Until I see Goodhue playing 12 regularly at Super level then he isn't in the mix to play 12 at internationals.
I'm fairly sure that's what @Bones was getting at as well.Crotty and ALB are interchangeable at 12/13. Nonu isn't, nor are SBW and Laumape unless against a minnow team. Goodhue possibly has the ability but not the experience (just like ALB was until injury needs forced the selectors to test him).
If that happens for Goodhue and he proves himself then great but at the moment he is in the AB picture as a 13 that could play 12 if circumstances required -
@Crucial I just don't get why with 12s coming out our ears we would want to see a proven excellent 13 shifted.
@Bones said in 2020 All Blacks Squad:
@Crucial I just don't get why with 12s coming out our ears we would want to see a proven excellent 13 shifted.
Especially when we don’t have a plethora of 13s putting their hand up. If I were selecting for a test next week I’d go
12 Crotty
13 Goodhue23 ALB
