Blues vs Waratahs
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@Bones said in Blues vs Waratahs:
@NTA Foley doesn't lack for pace, who was the 23?
Lalakai Foketi.
Foley was well behind Nonu to start with.
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@NTA yeah but he's quick over a short distance and didn't appear to be making any considerable gains.
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Geez pretty harsh people knocking Nonu's pace for the try. Those were no slouches chasing him and they didn't even get within diving distance, they certainly didn't look to be gaining on him very quick if at all.
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@Bones At 12 pace much less of an issue than at 13, although Maori Jesus showed true pace at 12 (which is rare) can be big weapon.
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Geez pretty harsh people knocking Nonu's pace for the try. Those were no slouches chasing him and they didn't even get within diving distance, they certainly didn't look to be gaining on him very quick if at all.
@Bones said in Blues vs Waratahs:
Geez pretty harsh people knocking Nonu's pace for the try. Those were no slouches chasing him and they didn't even get within diving distance, they certainly didn't look to be gaining on him very quick if at all.
It's not just that - he's been noticeably slow this year. He apparently said himself that he ran out of gas with 10 to go and dived.
You see it when he makes one of those scything angled runs; early 30's Ma'a keeps going; Current Ma'a gets tackled by Super level players. At the top level that gap will be even worse.
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@Bones Yeah found it strange too. Don't get me wrong he has slowed down a bit but yeah, people are trying to find reasons to suggest why he shouldn't be considered for the next level if they're targeting his pace during that try.
@African-Monkey said in Blues vs Waratahs:
@Bones Yeah found it strange too. Don't get me wrong he has slowed down a bit but yeah, people are trying to find reasons to suggest why he shouldn't be considered for the next level if they're targeting his pace during that try.
Have a look at some of the earlier games against Kiwi sides. At least twice (once at 12, another at 13) he got ran around by Ennor and a flanker, and was left grasping at air.
He's playing great, but pace still matters at the next level up. If he can play like that against the Kiwi sides, and not get exposed again, then maybe he could still do it. It would be a great story, but I worry about selecting too many centres will potential injury concerns. Crotty, SBW and Nonu? Personally, I would only select Crotty from those three, and he's almost certain to get injured.
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I would say the ABs have access to his 10m/40m stats from 2015 and 2019 (and those he would be competing with) to know how much he has lost and as such, know if he is a viable option in the mid-field still at the top level.
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I would say the ABs have access to his 10m/40m stats from 2015 and 2019 (and those he would be competing with) to know how much he has lost and as such, know if he is a viable option in the mid-field still at the top level.
@taniwharugby said in Blues vs Waratahs:
I would say the ABs have access to his 10m/40m stats from 2015 and 2019 (and those he would be competing with) to know how much he has lost and as such, know if he is a viable option in the mid-field still at the top level.
It would be facinating to see those
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@taniwharugby said in Blues vs Waratahs:
I would say the ABs have access to his 10m/40m stats from 2015 and 2019 (and those he would be competing with) to know how much he has lost and as such, know if he is a viable option in the mid-field still at the top level.
It would be facinating to see those
@Kirwan rugby isnt big on releasing that kind of info for some reason.
saw this recently...
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@Kirwan rugby isnt big on releasing that kind of info for some reason.
saw this recently...
@taniwharugby Some of those really don't look world class at all. If an outside back is only expected to be marginally quicker than five seconds over 40m, small wonder it's a revelation when one of them has actual pace.
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@taniwharugby Some of those really don't look world class at all. If an outside back is only expected to be marginally quicker than five seconds over 40m, small wonder it's a revelation when one of them has actual pace.
@antipodean it ties in with some stuff I found on a UK Rugby site a few months ago...but I think the term 'world class' is not test level players (despite the name inferring it should be)
My work colleagues 16yr old son did the bronco in 4.12 earlier this year (was an officially timed one too) at a rugby testing....one of the 13 yr old boys in my sons team (a loosie) would be 'world class'
Either that, or maybe this is why rugby doesnt report figures and stats as they dont measure up...?
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@antipodean it ties in with some stuff I found on a UK Rugby site a few months ago...but I think the term 'world class' is not test level players (despite the name inferring it should be)
My work colleagues 16yr old son did the bronco in 4.12 earlier this year (was an officially timed one too) at a rugby testing....one of the 13 yr old boys in my sons team (a loosie) would be 'world class'
Either that, or maybe this is why rugby doesnt report figures and stats as they dont measure up...?
@taniwharugby Having seen some of the Gallagher Premiership, none of that sheet surprises me.
The quality of play is average with moments of brilliance, and aerobic fitness isn't high on the list of obvious traits.
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@Kirwan rugby isnt big on releasing that kind of info for some reason.
saw this recently...
@taniwharugby so openside and midfielders need to have the same fitness levels - the Ardie to 12 is not so outrageous afterall
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On Akira - I didn't see it as 'niggle' I saw it as character. Good to see some passion for the Blues jersey.
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@antipodean it ties in with some stuff I found on a UK Rugby site a few months ago...but I think the term 'world class' is not test level players (despite the name inferring it should be)
My work colleagues 16yr old son did the bronco in 4.12 earlier this year (was an officially timed one too) at a rugby testing....one of the 13 yr old boys in my sons team (a loosie) would be 'world class'
Either that, or maybe this is why rugby doesnt report figures and stats as they dont measure up...?
@taniwharugby andy Ellis has the crusaders record or Bryn hall I think at 420ish.
100kilo men will not run fast Broncos. Those stats are fairly realistic. I think people forget that rugby players are jack of all trade athletes.
They will never pump the numbers of nfl for power or soccer for running distances.I think this is also a reason many wingers fade earlyish as rugby specific training can de train there speed
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@taniwharugby andy Ellis has the crusaders record or Bryn hall I think at 420ish.
100kilo men will not run fast Broncos. Those stats are fairly realistic. I think people forget that rugby players are jack of all trade athletes.
They will never pump the numbers of nfl for power or soccer for running distances.I think this is also a reason many wingers fade earlyish as rugby specific training can de train there speed
@muddyriver yeah I recall the article in pre-season for Super, Read has never gone under 5mins for the bronco.
These things are just one of many measures used, kinda like how BMI is a meausre used to determine your correct weight :smiling_face_with_open_mouth_closed_eyes:
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@taniwharugby so openside and midfielders need to have the same fitness levels - the Ardie to 12 is not so outrageous afterall
@ACT-Crusader said in Blues vs Waratahs:
@taniwharugby so openside and midfielders need to have the same fitness levels - the Ardie to 12 is not so outrageous afterall
I'm just gutted we'll never see a Dagg - Ardie combo at 10 and 12. Would have been impossible to contain.
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@Kirwan rugby isnt big on releasing that kind of info for some reason.
saw this recently...
@taniwharugby said in Blues vs Waratahs:
@Kirwan rugby isnt big on releasing that kind of info for some reason.
saw this recently...
Quite serious BP targets for fatties. What do the chin numbers mean?
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@ACT-Crusader said in Blues vs Waratahs:
@taniwharugby so openside and midfielders need to have the same fitness levels - the Ardie to 12 is not so outrageous afterall
I'm just gutted we'll never see a Dagg - Ardie combo at 10 and 12. Would have been impossible to contain.
@No-Quarter said in Blues vs Waratahs:
@ACT-Crusader said in Blues vs Waratahs:
@taniwharugby so openside and midfielders need to have the same fitness levels - the Ardie to 12 is not so outrageous afterall
I'm just gutted we'll never see a Dagg - Ardie combo at 10 and 12. Would have been impossible to contain.
Especially with DMac at 9 and Messam at 13
