Who is the AB's 4th choice at 10?
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@rotated said in Who is the AB's 4th choice at 10?:
@antipodean said in Who is the AB's 4th choice at 10?:
The next cab off the rank has to be playing in New Zealand - they're not going to open that can of worms for a third choice five-eighth.
They already opened it with Todd last year.
Completely different situation. Todd had played SR in NZ in 2018 and was already signed for 2019. His contract with that Japanese club was only for about 4 months in 2018.
Parker is playing SR in Japan, Cruden is playing in France (contract until June 2020) and Carter is contracted to a Japanese club for Top League. It's unlikely that Cruden and Carter will ever play professional rugby in NZ again, and it is still the question whether Parker will return to play in NZ in 2020.
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@Stargazer said in Who is the AB's 4th choice at 10?:
@rotated said in Who is the AB's 4th choice at 10?:
@antipodean said in Who is the AB's 4th choice at 10?:
The next cab off the rank has to be playing in New Zealand - they're not going to open that can of worms for a third choice five-eighth.
They already opened it with Todd last year.
Completely different situation. Todd had played SR in NZ in 2018 and was already signed for 2019. His contract with that Japanese club was only for about 4 months in 2018.
Parker is playing SR in Japan, Cruden is playing in France (contract until June 2020) and Carter is contracted to a Japanese club for Top League. It's unlikely that Cruden and Carter will ever play professional rugby in NZ again, and it is still the question whether Parker will return to play in NZ in 2020.
Yeah totally different kettle of fish, it was basically a sabbatical, if Parker leaves SW end of this season and signs to a NZ club he could get dispensation eligibility (done before for Luke M - a waste of time that was.
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@rotated said in Who is the AB's 4th choice at 10?:
@antipodean said in Who is the AB's 4th choice at 10?:
We wouldn't be in this situation if they hadn't insisted on making a sow's ear out of a silk purse.
This sums it up for me, we went to the last RWC with 4 test quality 10s and will head to this one with 0.
Not sure about your math on that one?
Are you counting 2015 Beaudy, but not the 2019 version?
I reckon 2019 Mo'unga is better than 2015 Slade. Probably better than 2015 Beauden as a first five as well.
Would be interesting to go back and read the thread surrounding the demise of Cruden in 2015. I reckon we'd have some panic around a creaking Carter, fullback Beaudy and rabbit in headlights Slade.
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@Stargazer said in Who is the AB's 4th choice at 10?:
Completely different situation.
Every situation is a different kettle of fish. Obviously it wouldn't happen now but Carter is a different kettle of fish because he is a 100+ capped AB, a Marty Banks style kettle of fish could be resolved with any Japanese club given their scheduling this year...
The rule is the rule, until they started sabbaticals, Todd was the first one they selected while not under a current NZRU contract in the pro era (to my knowledge).
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@Chris-B said in Who is the AB's 4th choice at 10?:
Not sure about your math on that one?
Are you counting 2015 Beaudy, but not the 2019 version?
That's me forgetting Lima didn't go in the squad but played at test level that year in the Republic.
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@rotated he was still signed to the Crusaders, which is under NZR.
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@taniwharugby said in Who is the AB's 4th choice at 10?:
@rotated he was still signed to the Crusaders, which is under NZR.
He may have had a contract signed to commence at a future point, but at the time he was signed to Panasonic, they specifically had to grant him a release.
Again these are all shades of gray. A player could be selected under the provision they sign a contract to return to NZ at the conclusion of their current contract like Todd did.
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@rotated Who says Todd's contract with NZR expired at the moment his contract with Panasonic started? He was released to take up that contract, possibly because he had a clause in his then current contract with NZR, that allowed him a short-term stint overseas. Doesn't mean his contract with NZR ended. You can have two contracts at the same time, as long as your playing duties don't conflict.
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@Bones said in Who is the AB's 4th choice at 10?:
@Victor-Meldrew said in Who is the AB's 4th choice at 10?:
And If Crotty moves to 10, it gives us a chance to slot Charlie Ngatai in at 13....
Pretty sure you've spelt Ardie Saviour wrong. And you have the wrong position.
@Paj reported on Saturday that Hayman was wearing the #8 jersey for the Coastal 3rds . . .
. . . but playing at lock.
Blackdragon was THIS close!
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@rotated said in Who is the AB's 4th choice at 10?:
ut at the time he was signed to Panasonic, they specifically had to grant him a release.
Again these are all shades of gray. A player could be selected under the provision they sign a contract to return to NZ at the conclusion of their current contthe release was to play for the ABs during the period he was contracted to Panasonic, not to return to NZ and continue playing with the Crusaders where he was contracted also.
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@taniwharugby said in Who is the AB's 4th choice at 10?:
the release was to play for the ABs during the period he was contracted to Panasonic, not to return to NZ and continue playing with the Crusaders where he was contracted also.
Exactly my point. The NZRU set the precedent last year that they are willing to ask private clubs to release players for international duty.
Previously not only did the NZRU say they would not ask, but you wouldn't be considered to begin with.
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Maybe no one, for the RWC anyway
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/rugby/news/article.cfm?c_id=80&objectid=12222768&ref=rss
A good argument imo
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@Chris-B said in Who is the AB's 4th choice at 10?:
@rotated said in Who is the AB's 4th choice at 10?:
@antipodean said in Who is the AB's 4th choice at 10?:
We wouldn't be in this situation if they hadn't insisted on making a sow's ear out of a silk purse.
This sums it up for me, we went to the last RWC with 4 test quality 10s and will head to this one with 0.
Not sure about your math on that one?
Are you counting 2015 Beaudy, but not the 2019 version?
I reckon 2019 Mo'unga is better than 2015 Slade. Probably better than 2015 Beauden as a first five as well.
Would be interesting to go back and read the thread surrounding the demise of Cruden in 2015. I reckon we'd have some panic around a creaking Carter, fullback Beaudy and rabbit in headlights Slade.
Iirc there was plenty of hyperventilating about even Carter in 2015. And I don't think there were many here who were comfortable with the prospect of Slade being 10 at the pointy end of the tournament. Same goes for BB and Lima.
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@Rancid-Schnitzel In 2011 it was Danny Boy - and then Colin Slade, who went to the RWC with two test starts - vs Fiji and vs SA (in a game we lost) and three goes off the bench (two of which Carter stayed on the field).
Sir Graham had made a bollocks of his first five selections and we were probably a bit lucky that Colin got injured.
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@Chris-B said in Who is the AB's 4th choice at 10?:
@Rancid-Schnitzel In 2011 it was Danny Boy - and then Colin Slade, who went to the RWC with two test starts - vs Fiji and vs SA (in a game we lost) and three goes off the bench (two of which Carter stayed on the field).
Sir Graham had made a bollocks of his first five selections and we were probably a bit lucky that Colin got injured.
To be fair Evans had pissed off and he tested every other 10 in NZ. I think it was a mistake selecting Donald in 2010 but he had been in excellent form.
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@KiwiMurph Pefofeta being picked would worry me just as much as Cameron. Way too green in SR.
