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@Virgil said in GOT - there will be spoilers:
Don’t think the Golden Company was expecting to deal with the dragon. They would have assumed all the Scorpions and the Iron Fleet would take him down. They were only expecting a depleted northern force.
Not to be mowed down from behind with dragon fire.Even with a depleted Northern force, I'm not sure if it's normal to just walk out to face them. They could rain death down from those walls.
The ballisters were also dramatically less effective. Glitch in the weapons system maybe.
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@Rancid-Schnitzel said in GOT - there will be spoilers:
Btw could the Dothraki have been on Dragonstone for any length of time? What did they feed the horses?
Don't even start on logistics, where was the wood for all the insta-boats from the Greyjoys? The march from WF to KL is ~500 leagues, that's 2.5 months of walking at Roman Legion pace. etc
Magic, as someone wise once said!
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@Rancid-Schnitzel said in GOT - there will be spoilers:
@Virgil said in GOT - there will be spoilers:
Don’t think the Golden Company was expecting to deal with the dragon. They would have assumed all the Scorpions and the Iron Fleet would take him down. They were only expecting a depleted northern force.
Not to be mowed down from behind with dragon fire.Even with a depleted Northern force, I'm not sure if it's normal to just walk out to face them. They could rain death down from those walls.
The ballisters were also dramatically less effective. Glitch in the weapons system maybe.
Yeah clearly the Iron fleet went on the piss to celebrate shooting a dragon down last week and completely lost the ability to shoot straight the next day.....
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@Machpants said in GOT - there will be spoilers:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in GOT - there will be spoilers:
Btw could the Dothraki have been on Dragonstone for any length of time? What did they feed the horses?
Don't even start on logistics, where was the wood for all the insta-boats from the Greyjoys? The march from WF to KL is ~500 leagues, that's 2.5 months of walking at Roman Legion pace. etc
Magic, as someone wise once said!
Yeah it was a real piss take when they started teleporting these guys around Westeros at record speed. And then of course there was Roose Bolton marrying Sansa (wanted in KL for killing the King) to Ramsay with narry a murmur from Cersei and outraged Red Wedding Walder Frey being unmoved by his daughter and grandson being used as Pal puppy food. But they could get away with it because clearly not enough people cared. Fair enough I guess. Still disappointing, because the early seasons are probably the best TV series we're probably ever likely to see. Absolutely brilliant.
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@Rancid-Schnitzel yeah I mentioned KL was different...but go back in history, armies were often camped outside the walls to fight the battle for the Lords directing things from the relative safety inside the walls.
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@Rancid-Schnitzel said in GOT - there will be spoilers:
@Machpants said in GOT - there will be spoilers:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in GOT - there will be spoilers:
Btw could the Dothraki have been on Dragonstone for any length of time? What did they feed the horses?
Don't even start on logistics, where was the wood for all the insta-boats from the Greyjoys? The march from WF to KL is ~500 leagues, that's 2.5 months of walking at Roman Legion pace. etc
Magic, as someone wise once said!
Yeah it was a real piss take when they started teleporting these guys around Westeros at record speed. And then of course there was Roose Bolton marrying Sansa (wanted in KL for killing the King) to Ramsay with narry a murmur from Cersei and outraged Red Wedding Walder Frey being unmoved by his daughter and grandson being used as Pal puppy food. But they could get away with it because clearly not enough people cared. Fair enough I guess. Still disappointing, because the early seasons are probably the best TV series we're probably ever likely to see. Absolutely brilliant.
I'm fairly sure that over how many seasons we've had there has been some pretty massive inconsistencies with how long it takes to get from Kings Landing all the way to WInterfell. The Hound and Arya left after the army but got there about the same time didn't they ?
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@MN5 two people on horseback travel much faster (like 3 times) than an army. Esp if the army is going through friendly territory and cannot live of the land total (ie pillage) and have to take supplies with them in slow slow wagons (as mentioned in Season 1 with Cersei's wagon)
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@taniwharugby said in GOT - there will be spoilers:
@Rancid-Schnitzel yeah I mentioned KL was different...but go back in history, armies were often camped outside the walls to fight the battle for the Lords directing things from the relative safety inside the walls.
Can you name some? Not attacking you just interested in reading about
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@Machpants said in GOT - there will be spoilers:
@MN5 two people on horseback travel much faster (like 3 times) than an army. Esp if the army is going through friendly territory and cannot live of the land total (ie pillage) and have to take supplies with them in slow slow wagons (as mentioned in Season 1 with Cersei's wagon)
Yeah probably true, I just assume the Dothraki go hell for leather the whole way.
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@Machpants some of those in the War of the Roses had attacks on Castles with troops camped outside.
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@taniwharugby said in GOT - there will be spoilers:
@Rancid-Schnitzel yeah I mentioned KL was different...but go back in history, armies were often camped outside the walls to fight the battle for the Lords directing things from the relative safety inside the walls.
I'm no expert, but my understanding was that the forces remained inside the city walls when it was besieged. I guess it all depends on the size of the castle and strength of the defences. It should also be noted that in the first season, KL could apparently only be taken by sea. Now you can lead your army to the gates and they'll happily come out and meet you.
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@Machpants said in GOT - there will be spoilers:
@MN5 two people on horseback travel much faster (like 3 times) than an army. Esp if the army is going through friendly territory and cannot live of the land total (ie pillage) and have to take supplies with them in slow slow wagons (as mentioned in Season 1 with Cersei's wagon)
How long does it take to sale from Dragonstone to a northern port, then travel inland to Winterfell or the Wall during winter? Littlefinger must have had access to a hydrofoil and a bullet train.
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@Rancid-Schnitzel guess it somes back to the strength and numbers of your forces as to whether you can hide within the walls. Cersei was quite arrogant I think in assuming with only one dragon being dealt to so easily, her numbers should have seen an easy win.
Given the size of the forces at Winterfell, no way could they have all fallen back within the walls...
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@taniwharugby said in GOT - there will be spoilers:
@Rancid-Schnitzel guess it somes back to the strength and numbers of your forces as to whether you can hide within the walls. Cersei was quite arrogant I think in assuming with only one dragon being dealt to so easily, her numbers should have seen an easy win.
Given the size of the forces at Winterfell, no way could they have all fallen back within the walls...
The problem is that we don't know who controls what. The GC could have harassed John and Co along the Kings Road. And who controls the Twins? Rob needed to marry himself off to get over that bridge. It's a shame because it was all very slowly and painstakingly built up but is ending far too abruptly. Even revealing John's parentage was halfarsed. "Hi Bran. Fancy running into you here!" "Hi Sam. Did you know this info about John?" "Well Bran I just happened to read that scroll." "Right I'll just got back in time to confirm."
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I know fuck all about physics, but there's a shitload of energy coming out of those dragons. They must run on small nuclear reactors!
So - in the sweepstake of who ends up on the throne - who's it going to be?
I'm going to go with a Gendry-Arya alliance, though GRR is warped enough to make Gendry marry Sansa!
My wildcard pick is Bronn, who's been being promised progressively bigger castles...
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@taniwharugby the big issue with the Winterfell battle was the majority of weapons that they had capable of killing wights were melee. Sure they had some arrows and fire seemed to do the job, but they were always committed to fisticuffs in that scenario. If they were mere mortals I think a siege approach with your mobile Dothraki forces outside would have worked well. Maybe with the wildlings as skirmishers as well.
At KL it was maddening how close the attacking army could muster. Sure they wanted to keep the scorpions loaded for dragon attack, but holy shit they could have smoked a fair number of Dany's army. Especially with that reload speed magic!!
@Chris-B I wondered about that too. But hey, magic! especially when you factor in the stone melting ability of the dragon flame.
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@Paekakboyz Lucky those dragons didn't know they could melt stone like that when they were locked in that dungeon. It's amazing what a bit of belief can do!
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@Chris-B said in GOT - there will be spoilers:
I know fuck all about physics, but there's a shitload of energy coming out of those dragons. They must run on small nuclear reactors!
So - in the sweepstake of who ends up on the throne - who's it going to be?
I'm going to go with a Gendry-Arya alliance, though GRR is warped enough to make Gendry marry Sansa!
My wildcard pick is Bronn, who's been being promised progressively bigger castles...
Have to assume Dani will die, Jon will also either die or head north leaving Sansa to at the very least rule the north.
Think Arya will head east and leave Westeros.
Not sure about Tyrion, 50/50 on if he dies or lives, probably leaning to him dying..
Have to assume Greyworm and Drogon will die or does Drogon simply fly off once his mother is killed?
