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2019 under 20's

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  • StargazerS Offline
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    Stargazer
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    FYI, the subs that were made during the game:

    41' Williams on for Uluilakepa; Grace for Va'ai
    51' Kereru-Symes on for Klein
    55' Norris on for Dyer
    64' Herbert on for Mua; Reihana for Nanai-Seturo
    71' Fainga'anuku replaces Lalomilo
    72' Carter on for Funaki

    Without watching the game and knowing the conditions, the timing of some substitutions may seem okay, but they really weren't.

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      @Canes4life heard the Spark coverage went down again..?

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      @Steven-Harris said in 2019 under 20's:

      @Canes4life heard the Spark coverage went down again..?

      I think the WR stream on YouTube also went down, so probably not a Spark issue.

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        @Steven-Harris said in 2019 under 20's:

        @Canes4life heard the Spark coverage went down again..?

        I think the WR stream on YouTube also went down, so probably not a Spark issue.

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        @Steven-Harris @Rapido In the online video (if you watch on demand), the footage freezes at the 38 minute mark (IRC) and then continues after a short while. So even if there has been a problem with the livestreaming, people can still watch the complete game.

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          Machpants
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          So with 3 pools, how do we look to get to the semis? The boks to come

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            So with 3 pools, how do we look to get to the semis? The boks to come

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            #455

            @Machpants We need to finish in the top four of all three pools combined. At the moment, there are four countries with 10 points from 2 wins: France, Australia, South Africa and New Zealand.

            The problem is that we still have to play South Africa. If we lose that match, we can still go through on points differential (assuming that's the tie breaker) if we get a bonus point, even if Argentina (now at 6 points) gets a bonus point win. If Argentina have a bonus point win and we lose without a bonus point, we have to look at France. If we lose without a bonus point and Argentina win without a bonus point, we can still go through on points differential. Good thing is that Argentina and France still have to play each other.

            If France loses, we have a slightly better points differential, but we can definitely not suffer a big loss to SA. If France loses with a bonus point, we need a bonus point as well, although all depends on Argentina's competition points on where France - and NZ - finish.

            Ireland can still reach the same number of competition points, too, if they win with a bonus point and we lose without a bonus point, but their points differential isn't as good as ours.

            So basically, we need at least a bonus point from our game against SA. That ensures a minimum of 11 bonus points and also a good points differential.

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              Our record against South Africa in this U20 tournament (started 2008) is poor - one win and five losses:

              2010: W 36-7 (sf)

              2012: L 16-22 (F)

              2013: L 34-41 (3rd/4th)

              2014: L 24-33 (pool)
              2014: L 25-32 (sf)

              2018: L 30-40 (3rd/4th)

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                Our record against South Africa in this U20 tournament (started 2008) is poor - one win and five losses:

                2010: W 36-7 (sf)

                2012: L 16-22 (F)

                2013: L 34-41 (3rd/4th)

                2014: L 24-33 (pool)
                2014: L 25-32 (sf)

                2018: L 30-40 (3rd/4th)

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                #457

                @Number-10 Yeah, and they have some really big units in that team. I think our boys will struggle against SA. If SA have as many handling errors in their game as they had against Scotland, then we have a chance though. Haven't watched their game against Georgia yet.

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                  Hard to make a global comment since the first 38 minutes are missing.
                  From what I saw during the second half, the passing was good and the forwards made the hard yards. Williams was a tower of strength with ball in hand. The biggest concern is the scrum. It must be a matter of technique surely as the NZ props are very big boys. Lineout OK.

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                    Hard to make a global comment since the first 38 minutes are missing.
                    From what I saw during the second half, the passing was good and the forwards made the hard yards. Williams was a tower of strength with ball in hand. The biggest concern is the scrum. It must be a matter of technique surely as the NZ props are very big boys. Lineout OK.

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                    @cgrant I watched the full game on demand. Nothing missing.

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                      #460

                      I haven';t watched a lot of this, but I've seen enough to think Australia should hump England and you could flick a coin between South Africa and New Zealand.

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                        #461

                        NZ U20 team to play South Africa (Thu 13 June, 6.30am):

                        1 Ollie Norris
                        2 Kianu Kereru Symes (c)
                        3 Fletcher Newell
                        4 Cullen Grace
                        5 Tupou Vaaโ€™i
                        6 Samipeni Finau
                        7 Kohan Herbert
                        8 Devan Flanders
                        9 Leroy Carter
                        10 Fergus Burke
                        11 Leicester Faingaanuku
                        12 Dallas McLeod
                        13 Billy Proctor
                        14 Etene Nanai-Seturo
                        15 Cole Forbes

                        Reserves
                        16 Shilo Klein
                        17 George Dyer
                        18 Tamaiti Williams
                        19 Kaliopasi Uluilakepa
                        20 Taine Plumtree
                        21 Kaylum Boshier
                        22 Jeriah Mua
                        23 Simon Parker
                        24 Taufa Funaki
                        25 Rivez Reihana
                        26 Lalomilo Lalomilo
                        27 Quinn Tupaea
                        28 Scott Gregory

                        Coach Craig Philpott has rung in the changes for the must-win pool match against South Africa.
                        
                        Captain Kianu Kereru Symes returns to start at hooker and will be joined by Ollie Norris and Fletcher Newell in the front row. 
                        
                        Samipeni Finau, Kohan Herbert and Devan Flanders combine as a dynamic loose forward trio for the second time after impressing against Georgia.
                        
                        In the backline Fergus Burke, Etene Nanai-Seturo and Billy Proctor retain their starting positions from the 52โ€”33 win over Scotland.
                        
                        The extended bench has plenty of fire power and Philpott said it will play a crucial role in the match.
                        
                        โ€œThere has been a lot of learning around how to manage the extended bench, we are able to react to how the game is developing to make sure the players we bring on are in a position to make a real impact.โ€
                        
                        The New Zealand Under 20 side currently sit second, on points difference, behind South Africa in their pool. A win tomorrow would confirm their place in the semi-finals otherwise they would have to wait on other results to potentially qualify as the best finishing second place team.
                        

                        http://www.allblacks.com/News/34255/nz-under-20s-named-for-final-pool-match

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                          I don't see this team beat the South Africans. Too many "meh" players in it.

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                            I don't see this team beat the South Africans. Too many "meh" players in it.

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                            @cgrant
                            Having watched both NZ games I agree, however they are only 1 point ahead on PD after playing the same teams, and I think the NZ team got sloppy against Scotland after going 26-0 after 27 minutes.

                            Is Grace really 1.9m? If so, he is Blackwell 2.0, ranga and all.

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                              #464

                              Hmm, I can't find the link to the NZU20 game anywhere on the Spark Sport website. Help?

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                                #465

                                Just checked "visitor posts" on the Spark Sport Facebook page and it seems more people are trying - or having been trying - to watch U20s and hockey games on a computer, but the games weren't offered on the website. Apparently, you can watch them on other devices. As I can't watch it on my phone, I guess I'll have to wait until they make the video of the game available on the website afterwards.

                                This shit better not happen during the RWC! :pouting_face:

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                                  Okay, if you're watching - on whatever device - do not refresh your screen. Apparently, it will disappear if you do that.

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                                    Wales v Fiji was a roller-coaster.

                                    Some cracking tries from both sides.

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                                      #468

                                      Down 19-3 at HT. Only seen the last 15 minutes or so but NZ look poor.

                                      Think we need a BP at minimum to make the semi.

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                                        Spoilers below. Results of earlier games.

                                        :::

                                        ๐Ÿ‡ฌ๐Ÿ‡ช Georgia17 - 12 Scotland ๐Ÿด๓ ง๓ ข๓ ณ๓ ฃ๓ ด๓ ฟ
                                        ๐Ÿ‡ฎ๐Ÿ‡น Italy 14 - 38 Ireland โ˜˜๏ธ
                                        ๐Ÿด๓ ง๓ ข๓ ท๓ ฌ๓ ณ๓ ฟ Wales 44 - 28 Fiji ๐Ÿ‡ซ๐Ÿ‡ฏ
                                        ๐Ÿ‡ซ๐Ÿ‡ท France 26 - 47 Argentina ๐Ÿ‡ฆ๐Ÿ‡ท

                                        :::

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                                          #470

                                          THought NZ would struggle in this one. SA handicap +7.5 was generous but wtf is happening in Aus game? Have they rested players? Gonna wreck my multi

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