Exodus
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@Machpants said in Exodus 2019:
@mofitzy_ correct if you have citizenship of a EU or SA or PI country, you count as one of those. Poor old Leinster mate James Lowe missed out on last year's winning Heineken Cup thingy cos they already had J Gibson-Park and Fardy on their team (injuries for other 9s promoted G-P)
Toulon in 2015 had a heap of Ozzies and Kiwis, I guess the rule has been introduced since then?
Correct about Lowe in 17/18 season. He played the PRO14 final instead of Gibson-Park, but wasn’t picked for the H Cup final. GP didn’t make either final in 18/19 season just finished but I think that was partly due to an injury. He qualifies as European on residency grounds for next season so that won’t happen again as he’ll be needed more regularly with lead players at RWC.
The rule has been around for over a decade or more. How French teams get around it is they often contract players who have PI or other background and the player changes nationality/passport if necessary.
@Derm-McCrum said in Exodus 2019:
The rule has been around for over a decade or more. How French teams get around it is they often contract players who have PI or other background and the player changes nationality/passport if necessary.
This was the first sign that SBW was about to walk out on the Bulldogs. On a bye week about a month before he split he went to Samoa and got his citizenship and passport expedited.
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180 NZ-born players in the 66 professional clubs in the Six Nations unions
Damm, I can't even wrap my mind around around that.
@Darren said in Exodus 2019:
180 NZ-born players in the 66 professional clubs in the Six Nations unions
Damm, I can't even wrap my mind around around that.
Here's the split of NZ-born from last season (I should add that it includes players who moved to other countries when kids e.g. Joey Carbery when his family moved back to Ireland or Joe Tomane who moved to Aus at 3, but there's not many of them). Equally, it doesn't include the numbers of players from Fiji, Tonga, Samoa who moved to NZ as kids:
Fra Top 14 - 47 across 14 teams
Eng Premiership - 40 - 12 teams
France PRO D2 - 33 - 16 teams
Eng Championship - 27 - 12 teams
Ireland - 13 - 4 teams
Wales - 9 - 4 teams
Scotland - 5 - 2 teams
Italy - 6 - 2 teamsI'm going to look further at the status (SR/Capped/Mire/Residency/Parentage) and age of players when they move just to see the profile or trends there. There was a further 197 SH-born players in Japan last season but I haven't worked out the nationality split yet.
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Interesting stuff, Poth, I don't have the patience to get that info but it's nice to have facts to counter-act or support rants!
@Machpants said in Exodus 2019:
but it's nice to have facts
That'll never catch on here.
180 is an awful lot when we only have around 200 super rugby players in NZ.
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@Machpants said in Exodus 2019:
but it's nice to have facts
That'll never catch on here.
180 is an awful lot when we only have around 200 super rugby players in NZ.
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@Snowy does that include the Blues? :coat:
@taniwharugby said in Exodus 2019:
@Snowy does that include the Blues? :coat:
Will clarify - people that play in the super rugby competition.
Not sure that some of the blues are even rugby players...
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@Machpants said in Exodus 2019:
but it's nice to have facts
That'll never catch on here.
180 is an awful lot when we only have around 200 super rugby players in NZ.
@Snowy said in Exodus 2019:
@Machpants said in Exodus 2019:
but it's nice to have facts
That'll never catch on here.
180 is an awful lot when we only have around 200 super rugby players in NZ.
There's only 230 professional players in Irish Rugby and another 57 playing in the other 6N clubs and another chunk in the US. But the system wouldn't support more than that domestically. And a fair chunk of that NZ 180 is not at SR level - particularly the ones playing in English Championship and French PRO D2.
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@Snowy said in Exodus 2019:
@Machpants said in Exodus 2019:
but it's nice to have facts
That'll never catch on here.
180 is an awful lot when we only have around 200 super rugby players in NZ.
There's only 230 professional players in Irish Rugby and another 57 playing in the other 6N clubs and another chunk in the US. But the system wouldn't support more than that domestically. And a fair chunk of that NZ 180 is not at SR level - particularly the ones playing in English Championship and French PRO D2.
@Derm-McCrum said in Exodus 2019:
a fair chunk of that NZ 180 is not at SR level
Indeed and probably why some of them left. Some have also gone on to have pretty good international careers recently, so a spread of the ones we would have liked to keep, and also some meh.
I was really only talking about the numbers though, not the quality of them.
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@Tim said in Exodus 2019:
https://www.rugbypass.com/news/christian-lealiifano-to-depart-brumbies-after-12-year-stint
Top, top player and a gent to boot. The article, oddly, doesn’t mention that he did a year at Ulster when he recovered from his leukemia - a big crowd favorite who the club would have liked to stay on. Got a long standing ovation as he left the pitch in Ravenhill for last time. Best of luck to him in Japan.
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Not really an exodus announcement, but this seems the best place to post this.
http://www.allblacks.com/News/34302/mike-cron-to-leave-all-blacks-after-rwc2019
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Scarlets have signed North Harbour lock Danny Drake.
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He has made just the two appearances for Nth Harbour has the world's 114th and Mitre10 Cup's 15th ranked number 5. Amazingly highly rankings for someone a large proportion of knowledgeable people on here have probably never heard of.
https://www.rugbypass.com/mitre-10-cup/teams/north-harbour/players/danny-drake/ -
He has made just the two appearances for Nth Harbour has the world's 114th and Mitre10 Cup's 15th ranked number 5. Amazingly highly rankings for someone a large proportion of knowledgeable people on here have probably never heard of.
https://www.rugbypass.com/mitre-10-cup/teams/north-harbour/players/danny-drake/ -
The beginning of the end of the mass exodus to Europe at least?
https://www.msn.com/en-nz/sport/rugby-union/guys-are-out-of-jobs-rugby-agent-details-the-brutal-decisions-facing-players-as-the-market-implodes/ar-AAE2f7A?ocid=spartanntp@Higgins said in Exodus 2019:
The beginning of the end of the mass exodus to Europe at least?
https://www.msn.com/en-nz/sport/rugby-union/guys-are-out-of-jobs-rugby-agent-details-the-brutal-decisions-facing-players-as-the-market-implodes/ar-AAE2f7A?ocid=spartanntpBlimey, your optimistic.
