TRC: Pumas v All Blacks
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@Siam said in TRC: Pumas v All Blacks:
I see why my POV is controversial
But in an age where games are increasingly brutal + terrible travel itinerary you need to plan accordingly
Not every Tier 1 nation is dealing with a full set of cards to play with
Above graphic highlights where Los Pumas are at atmTo have 5 players start every game & further 4 players miss only 1 game is diabolical You've got no shot of being competitive
So do you go all out with a shallow playing pool + by far worst travel schedule in world rugby or do you pick & choose what games you prioritise
Hence ensuring you've built depth and rested key personal accordingly
@Jaguares4real said in TRC: Pumas v All Blacks:
So do you go all out with a shallow playing pool + by far worst travel schedule in world rugby or do you pick & choose what games you prioritise
The Pumas do not have "by far the worst travel schedule". You're on a group from New Zealand for goodness sake. We're literally the furthest away from all the other rugby playing nations. Your NH tour tours are both much less far and with far less time difference.
Argentina in the Rugby Championship have one more long trip than NZ or Australia, but there are direct flights to each country involved. South Africa have to travel just as far as you.
The difference is that we win away from home, so people assume that we don't have travel issues. That's not true -- we've merely learnt to overcome them. The Pumas problem is not the travel, but that they don't play well away from home, regardless of the travel time involved.
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@Jaguares4real said in TRC: Pumas v All Blacks:
@Crucial said in TRC: Pumas v All Blacks:
@Bones said in TRC: Pumas v All Blacks:
No Bridge? Dry powder.
It’s only a friendly
Big picture: the game is largely meaningless in a RWC Year
I'm looking for a very good performance
Below graphic is insane
https://twitter.com/rpetty80/status/1151899943172497408/photo/1
Welcome back fella, but jeez I'm getting tired of your meaningless test monologues
The absolute truth is that all games are meaningless, if one subscribes to your assessment. Sport is what you want it to be. It's a voluntary leisure pursuit. The importance of it is in the minds of every participant differently.
Calling games meaningless or friendlies is just a shit can notion for losers diminishing the achievements of winners. It's a dishonorable critique of national sport, and a deliberate insult to the winners. Let the players decide what is meaningless
You're smart enough to know that and we're smart enough to know vapid trolling.
Enough already
@Siam said in TRC: Pumas v All Blacks:
@Jaguares4real said in TRC: Pumas v All Blacks:
@Crucial said in TRC: Pumas v All Blacks:
@Bones said in TRC: Pumas v All Blacks:
No Bridge? Dry powder.
It’s only a friendly
Big picture: the game is largely meaningless in a RWC Year
I'm looking for a very good performance
Below graphic is insane
https://twitter.com/rpetty80/status/1151899943172497408/photo/1
Welcome back fella, but jeez I'm getting tired of your meaningless test monologues
The absolute truth is that all games are meaningless, if one subscribes to your assessment. Sport is what you want it to be. It's a voluntary leisure pursuit. The importance of it is in the minds of every participant differently.
Calling games meaningless or friendlies is just a shit can notion for losers diminishing the achievements of winners. It's a dishonorable critique of national sport, and a deliberate insult to the winners. Let the players decide what is meaningless
You're smart enough to know that and we're smart enough to know vapid trolling.
Enough already
I find his whole view on "friendlies" both hilarious ( unintentionally ) and baffling.....and when they lose said friendly there's the assumption the players have had to undertake so much arduous travel. One would think judging by @Jaguares4reals posts they had to journey by boat for weeks on end and send a telegram announcing their arrival.
The Pumas will play the All Blacks twice a year so I accept it's extremely likely we'll see them beat us at some stage in the near future. Do the players just shrug their shoulders and go"ah it was only a friendly?"
Like fuck they would. Look at the Irish.
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@Stargazer said in TRC: Pumas v All Blacks:
@Unite said in TRC: Pumas v All Blacks:
@Jaguares4real said in TRC: Pumas v All Blacks:
@MN5 said in TRC: Pumas v All Blacks:
@Jaguares4real said in TRC: Pumas v All Blacks:
@Bones said in TRC: Pumas v All Blacks:
@Jaguares4real largely meaningless in a world cup year, largely meaningless between world cup years. Got it.
Try Again Bones
You're missing the point :face_with_tears_of_joy:
He’s not the only one
Okay @MN5
Help us out oh wise one.....
Can I just say, I am still really unclear what the eyes mean.
I had to look it up, too.
From Dictionary . com:
What does
mean?The eyes emoji has many uses. It mostly serves to draw attention to something the user wants to highlight, especially in situations that involve drama and interpersonal tension. It can also be an emoji representation of shifty eyes or the action of side-eyeing. This emoji sometimes appears when someone finds a person attractive.
From emojipedia:
EyesA pair of eyes, glancing slightly to the left on most platforms. The Google version of this emoji previously showed only a single eye, despite the name of this character being eyes (plural).
Sometimes used to indicate ‘pervy eyes’ to indicate approval of an attractive photo posted online; or ‘shifty eyes’ to convey a deceitful act.
There’s actually a thing called an emojipedia . Ffs , whatever next ? Friendlies in test rugby?
@jegga I can understand wookiepedia but this emojipedia is taking it too far.
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@Siam said in TRC: Pumas v All Blacks:
@Jaguares4real said in TRC: Pumas v All Blacks:
@Crucial said in TRC: Pumas v All Blacks:
@Bones said in TRC: Pumas v All Blacks:
No Bridge? Dry powder.
It’s only a friendly
Big picture: the game is largely meaningless in a RWC Year
I'm looking for a very good performance
Below graphic is insane
https://twitter.com/rpetty80/status/1151899943172497408/photo/1
Welcome back fella, but jeez I'm getting tired of your meaningless test monologues
The absolute truth is that all games are meaningless, if one subscribes to your assessment. Sport is what you want it to be. It's a voluntary leisure pursuit. The importance of it is in the minds of every participant differently.
Calling games meaningless or friendlies is just a shit can notion for losers diminishing the achievements of winners. It's a dishonorable critique of national sport, and a deliberate insult to the winners. Let the players decide what is meaningless
You're smart enough to know that and we're smart enough to know vapid trolling.
Enough already
I find his whole view on "friendlies" both hilarious ( unintentionally ) and baffling.....and when they lose said friendly there's the assumption the players have had to undertake so much arduous travel. One would think judging by @Jaguares4reals posts they had to journey by boat for weeks on end and send a telegram announcing their arrival.
The Pumas will play the All Blacks twice a year so I accept it's extremely likely we'll see them beat us at some stage in the near future. Do the players just shrug their shoulders and go"ah it was only a friendly?"
Like fuck they would. Look at the Irish.
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@MN5 squad rotation has been going on for years now. But there is no such thing as a friendly in test rugby. Least of all when we are involved
@canefan said in TRC: Pumas v All Blacks:
@MN5 squad rotation has been going on for years now. But there is no such thing as a friendly in test rugby. Least of all when we are involved
My analogy comes from Soccer Teams that rest & rotate for their friendlies Then role out their big guns for Qualifying games and Tournaments once they've qualified
I see it similarly for Los Pumas Go hard in TRC and look to rest & rotate during Summer Tests and EOYT with aim to develop depth & experience for younger players in a RWC cycle
Of course in these "Friendlies" you play hard but personal is very different
No wonder remembers or gives a stuff if Wales beat Argentina or if Australia beat Italy come world cup time -
Sounds like excuses for teams that are a bit shit at the highest level
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@canefan said in TRC: Pumas v All Blacks:
@MN5 squad rotation has been going on for years now. But there is no such thing as a friendly in test rugby. Least of all when we are involved
My analogy comes from Soccer Teams that rest & rotate for their friendlies Then role out their big guns for Qualifying games and Tournaments once they've qualified
I see it similarly for Los Pumas Go hard in TRC and look to rest & rotate during Summer Tests and EOYT with aim to develop depth & experience for younger players in a RWC cycle
Of course in these "Friendlies" you play hard but personal is very different
No wonder remembers or gives a stuff if Wales beat Argentina or if Australia beat Italy come world cup time@Jaguares4real said in TRC: Pumas v All Blacks:
@canefan said in TRC: Pumas v All Blacks:
@MN5 squad rotation has been going on for years now. But there is no such thing as a friendly in test rugby. Least of all when we are involved
My analogy comes from Soccer Teams that rest & rotate for their friendlies Then role out their big guns for Qualifying games and Tournaments once they've qualified
I see it similarly for Los Pumas Go hard in TRC and look to rest & rotate during Summer Tests and EOYT with aim to develop depth & experience for younger players in a RWC cycle
Of course in these "Friendlies" you play hard but personal is very different
No wonder remembers or gives a stuff if Wales beat Argentina or if Australia beat Italy come world cup timeWill Argentina have big guns to roll out at some stage later?
Also, this isn't soccer.
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@Jaguares4real said in TRC: Pumas v All Blacks:
@canefan said in TRC: Pumas v All Blacks:
@MN5 squad rotation has been going on for years now. But there is no such thing as a friendly in test rugby. Least of all when we are involved
My analogy comes from Soccer Teams that rest & rotate for their friendlies Then role out their big guns for Qualifying games and Tournaments once they've qualified
I see it similarly for Los Pumas Go hard in TRC and look to rest & rotate during Summer Tests and EOYT with aim to develop depth & experience for younger players in a RWC cycle
Of course in these "Friendlies" you play hard but personal is very different
No wonder remembers or gives a stuff if Wales beat Argentina or if Australia beat Italy come world cup timeWill Argentina have big guns to roll out at some stage later?
Also, this isn't soccer.
@Canerbry said in TRC: Pumas v All Blacks:
@Jaguares4real said in TRC: Pumas v All Blacks:
@canefan said in TRC: Pumas v All Blacks:
@MN5 squad rotation has been going on for years now. But there is no such thing as a friendly in test rugby. Least of all when we are involved
My analogy comes from Soccer Teams that rest & rotate for their friendlies Then role out their big guns for Qualifying games and Tournaments once they've qualified
I see it similarly for Los Pumas Go hard in TRC and look to rest & rotate during Summer Tests and EOYT with aim to develop depth & experience for younger players in a RWC cycle
Of course in these "Friendlies" you play hard but personal is very different
No wonder remembers or gives a stuff if Wales beat Argentina or if Australia beat Italy come world cup timeWill Argentina have big guns to roll out at some stage later?
Also, this isn't soccer.
It's close. Argentina don't win anything in soccer either
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@Canerbry said in TRC: Pumas v All Blacks:
@Jaguares4real said in TRC: Pumas v All Blacks:
@canefan said in TRC: Pumas v All Blacks:
@MN5 squad rotation has been going on for years now. But there is no such thing as a friendly in test rugby. Least of all when we are involved
My analogy comes from Soccer Teams that rest & rotate for their friendlies Then role out their big guns for Qualifying games and Tournaments once they've qualified
I see it similarly for Los Pumas Go hard in TRC and look to rest & rotate during Summer Tests and EOYT with aim to develop depth & experience for younger players in a RWC cycle
Of course in these "Friendlies" you play hard but personal is very different
No wonder remembers or gives a stuff if Wales beat Argentina or if Australia beat Italy come world cup timeWill Argentina have big guns to roll out at some stage later?
Also, this isn't soccer.
It's close. Argentina don't win anything in soccer either
@mariner4life ouch
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@Siam said in TRC: Pumas v All Blacks:
@Jaguares4real said in TRC: Pumas v All Blacks:
@Crucial said in TRC: Pumas v All Blacks:
@Bones said in TRC: Pumas v All Blacks:
No Bridge? Dry powder.
It’s only a friendly
Big picture: the game is largely meaningless in a RWC Year
I'm looking for a very good performance
Below graphic is insane
https://twitter.com/rpetty80/status/1151899943172497408/photo/1
Welcome back fella, but jeez I'm getting tired of your meaningless test monologues
The absolute truth is that all games are meaningless, if one subscribes to your assessment. Sport is what you want it to be. It's a voluntary leisure pursuit. The importance of it is in the minds of every participant differently.
Calling games meaningless or friendlies is just a shit can notion for losers diminishing the achievements of winners. It's a dishonorable critique of national sport, and a deliberate insult to the winners. Let the players decide what is meaningless
You're smart enough to know that and we're smart enough to know vapid trolling.
Enough already
I find his whole view on "friendlies" both hilarious ( unintentionally ) and baffling.....and when they lose said friendly there's the assumption the players have had to undertake so much arduous travel. One would think judging by @Jaguares4reals posts they had to journey by boat for weeks on end and send a telegram announcing their arrival.
The Pumas will play the All Blacks twice a year so I accept it's extremely likely we'll see them beat us at some stage in the near future. Do the players just shrug their shoulders and go"ah it was only a friendly?"
Like fuck they would. Look at the Irish.
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@Jaguares4real said in TRC: Pumas v All Blacks:
@canefan said in TRC: Pumas v All Blacks:
@MN5 squad rotation has been going on for years now. But there is no such thing as a friendly in test rugby. Least of all when we are involved
My analogy comes from Soccer Teams that rest & rotate for their friendlies Then role out their big guns for Qualifying games and Tournaments once they've qualified
I see it similarly for Los Pumas Go hard in TRC and look to rest & rotate during Summer Tests and EOYT with aim to develop depth & experience for younger players in a RWC cycle
Of course in these "Friendlies" you play hard but personal is very different
No wonder remembers or gives a stuff if Wales beat Argentina or if Australia beat Italy come world cup timeWill Argentina have big guns to roll out at some stage later?
Also, this isn't soccer.
Big Guns to come: Sanchez Cordero Isa Figallo Herrara Urdapilledta
With more options if needed, e.g. Imhoff F Bosch etc
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@Jaguares4real said in TRC: Pumas v All Blacks:
So do you go all out with a shallow playing pool + by far worst travel schedule in world rugby or do you pick & choose what games you prioritise
The Pumas do not have "by far the worst travel schedule". You're on a group from New Zealand for goodness sake. We're literally the furthest away from all the other rugby playing nations. Your NH tour tours are both much less far and with far less time difference.
Argentina in the Rugby Championship have one more long trip than NZ or Australia, but there are direct flights to each country involved. South Africa have to travel just as far as you.
The difference is that we win away from home, so people assume that we don't have travel issues. That's not true -- we've merely learnt to overcome them. The Pumas problem is not the travel, but that they don't play well away from home, regardless of the travel time involved.
@Chester-Draws said in TRC: Pumas v All Blacks:
@Jaguares4real said in TRC: Pumas v All Blacks:
So do you go all out with a shallow playing pool + by far worst travel schedule in world rugby or do you pick & choose what games you prioritise
The Pumas do not have "by far the worst travel schedule". You're on a group from New Zealand for goodness sake. We're literally the furthest away from all the other rugby playing nations. Your NH tour tours are both much less far and with far less time difference.
Argentina in the Rugby Championship have one more long trip than NZ or Australia, but there are direct flights to each country involved. South Africa have to travel just as far as you.
The difference is that we win away from home, so people assume that we don't have travel issues. That's not true -- we've merely learnt to overcome them. The Pumas problem is not the travel, but that they don't play well away from home, regardless of the travel time involved.
You're having a laugh comparing Pumas to ABs in any way re. travel especially if you include Super Rugby which you have to extract any meaningful points
One has 5 pro club established for over 20 years which gives ABs a player pool of 150+ players to choose from
Other has 1 pro club side in their 4th season giving Pumas about 35 players to choose from
One has their club sides play 80-85% of their games in good times Other has 50% of their games in another continent and multiple timeszones behind Nearest "derby match" is 10,000 km away
TRC format favours NZ & AUS big time 3 of 4 games at home to start the comp every year
EOYT are 4 games and a chance to rotate for NZ especially mickey mouse sides like Italy
TBH in the TRC Los Pumas have generally played better away from him than in BA Mendoza Salta etc. over the last 5 years
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@Jaguares4real said in TRC: Pumas v All Blacks:
@pakman said in TRC: Pumas v All Blacks:
@Bovidae said in TRC: Pumas v All Blacks:
@cgrant said in TRC: Pumas v All Blacks:
Good test for Atu Moli against Juan Figallo. If he holds his own in the set scrums and shows what he can do in the loose, he'll be on the plane to Japan.
The Jags scrum has been ordinary in the games I watched (I didn't see the final so can't comment on that). In the two games the Chiefs played against them the Chiefs had an obvious advantage. We will find out whether the addition of Figallo makes a huge difference to the Pumas' scrum.
Figallo is a big step up, but Argies best LHs are in Europe.
Who are these Europe based Puma looseheads?
Only guy I can think of is Facundo Gigena- Leicester Tigers who is only starting to establish himself in 1st team squad
He's learning from good players over there Time will tell where his career goes
Lucas Noguera...
Noguera Paz is out of favour atm
AFAIK he was 3rd choice LH prop at Bath Rugby last year behind Obano + Van Rooyun
Not played for Pumas since Nov 2017
