TRC: Pumas v All Blacks
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@Jaguares4real said in TRC: Pumas v All Blacks:
You're having a laugh comparing Pumas to ABs in any way re. travel especially if you include Super Rugby which you have to extract any meaningful points
Look, stick to one competition. I don't compare the ABs travel to include Super Rugby, because they don't play in Super Rugby.
ABs and Pumas have similar travel in the Championship. Which is what this thread is about.
If you want to talk about the Jaguares, in a thread about the Pumas, then the worst travel itinerary is the Sunwolves.
One has 5 pro club established for over 20 years which gives ABs a player pool of 150+ players to choose from
Other has 1 pro club side in their 4th season giving Pumas about 35 players to choose from
Nothing to do with travel.
The Pumas used to pick a team with no pro club sides. Their pool includes a substantial number playing in Europe.
One has their club sides play 80-85% of their games in good times Other has 50% of their games in another continent and multiple timeszones behind Nearest "derby match" is 10,000 km away
TRC format favours NZ & AUS big time 3 of 4 games at home to start the comp every year
Like this year, you mean? Travel hasn't yet started for the Pumas and you're already using it as an excuse. NZ and Australia simply cannot have "3 of 4" home big games at the start of the competition. And for every home game at the start they have an away game at the end.
You make it sound like NZ gets more home games than the Pumas.
EOYT are 4 games and a chance to rotate for NZ especially mickey mouse sides like Italy
You do know we play France, England, Ireland etc, don't you? We get maybe one lightweight in our NH tours.
Italy is "mickey mouse" to us, because the All Blacks are very good. They aren't mickey mouse to the Pumas though.
Because the ABs make light work of travelling halfway round the world, changing 12 hours, and then whip other sides doesn't mean they haven't travelled. It just means they are very good at doing it.
TBH in the TRC Los Pumas have generally played better away from him than in BA Mendoza Salta etc. over the last 5 years
Yeah, but not outside Argentina. That's where the real problem lies. Very little to do with travel.
@Chester-Draws said in TRC: Pumas v All Blacks:
Yeah, but not outside Argentina. That's where the real problem lies. Very little to do with travel.
Chester you're showing your lack of knowledge on ARG rugby
You can not separate Jaguares from Los PumasThe success of the former is heavily correlated to the success of the latter The driving force for improvement
Pumas don't have an endless supply of players to use and call up
Sunwolves are a Baba club side full of 2nd rate Kiwis Saffa Aussies & Polynesian "Japanese" players They play in a similar time zone to NZ and AUS so travel is much less of a factor
Anyway they used as many players this year ~62 as Jaguares who have ever played for the ARG club side in their 4 years of Super Rugby
Finally Italy are no concern on the field for ARG Only issue with them is poaching ARG players and making them play for Italy
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@Crucial said in TRC: Pumas v All Blacks:
Ardie and stand out for being good. Jordie a stand out for being a waste of space.
Ardie, BBBR and A Smith top 3 for me. Cane close behind.
Hated this forcing passes in traffic tactic thoughI don't get the love for Cane here. Did nobody see him drop it cold in that second half? Most players who do that get crucified here. He's probably short of a gallop, but at the moment Ardie is easily our best seven.
@Rancid-Schnitzel I agree. Ardie is definitely the form 7 and Read at 8. Fafita was shite. Hemopo had more of an impact and mongrel. 6 is our worry position. And Aaron Smith shoveling out wide continuously showed poor judgement. He is running the show and we needed to establish go forward in the forwards. He has the best pass but we need someone making runs around the rucks. This will probably go over like a lead balloon.
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@Rancid-Schnitzel I agree. Ardie is definitely the form 7 and Read at 8. Fafita was shite. Hemopo had more of an impact and mongrel. 6 is our worry position. And Aaron Smith shoveling out wide continuously showed poor judgement. He is running the show and we needed to establish go forward in the forwards. He has the best pass but we need someone making runs around the rucks. This will probably go over like a lead balloon.
@broughie said in TRC: Pumas v All Blacks:
@Rancid-Schnitzel I agree. Ardie is definitely the form 7 and Read at 8. Fafita was shite. Hemopo had more of an impact and mongrel. 6 is our worry position. And Aaron Smith shoveling out wide continuously showed poor judgement. He is running the show and we needed to establish go forward in the forwards. He has the best pass but we need someone making runs around the rucks. This will probably go over like a lead balloon.
I'd go further and state TJP is the better player & has been for at least 12 months
A Smith being living alot of his past reputation and getting an easy ride
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Thought our front rowers got through a power of work. We lacked flow but that was down to pressure and errors just when we had a sniff or some momentum building. Agreed with Marshall about the two knocked down balls. That one in our 22 arguably could have been a card.
No more JB please. For every good thing he does we get 2-3 errors.
This was a game for TJ, smith started shoveling it when we were in the arm wrestle, and we needed tighter fringe D. Weber did ok but things were pretty fragmented by then.
Coltman? Hit your line out targets bro, your turnover game is strong but if all you're making up for is lost line out ball we have an issue.Definitely rusty play from both sides. But some good stuff in amongst the dross.
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Thought our front rowers got through a power of work. We lacked flow but that was down to pressure and errors just when we had a sniff or some momentum building. Agreed with Marshall about the two knocked down balls. That one in our 22 arguably could have been a card.
No more JB please. For every good thing he does we get 2-3 errors.
This was a game for TJ, smith started shoveling it when we were in the arm wrestle, and we needed tighter fringe D. Weber did ok but things were pretty fragmented by then.
Coltman? Hit your line out targets bro, your turnover game is strong but if all you're making up for is lost line out ball we have an issue.Definitely rusty play from both sides. But some good stuff in amongst the dross.
@Paekakboyz Agree about TJ especially.
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Not the best game. Unlike many I wasn't that impressed with Reece. Whereas Jordie playing out of position was OK. For the RWC Jordie is a better selection than Reece
B Barrett had a good game. I also thought Ben Smith did ok. But I would have him on the wing and Jordie at FB if both start.
My view is Perenara should have started this game
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Dreadful game.
Was never on the plane to japan anyway, but Tuipulotu was anonymous.
Coltman might have the selectors looking at Harris again if he can’t nail his throws.
Outside our top 23, our depth is pretty thin.
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Not the best game. Unlike many I wasn't that impressed with Reece. Whereas Jordie playing out of position was OK. For the RWC Jordie is a better selection than Reece
B Barrett had a good game. I also thought Ben Smith did ok. But I would have him on the wing and Jordie at FB if both start.
My view is Perenara should have started this game
@Winger said in TRC: Pumas v All Blacks:
Not the best game. Unlike many I wasn't that impressed with Reece. Whereas Jordie playing out of position was OK. For the RWC Jordie is a better selection than Reece
B Barrett had a good game. I also thought Ben Smith did ok. But I would have him on the wing and Jordie at FB if both start.
My view is Perenara should have started this game
J Barrett was absolute, utter garbage. And he keeps serving this kind of performance up for the ABs. I'm starting to get really annoyed by his face. I think i want to punch it. Now I understand that whole arc in Step Brothers.
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@Stargazer said in TRC: Pumas v All Blacks:
It's a pity they won't drop Jordie. He's one of their projects.
He will cost us a knockout match I’m telling you. Just can’t do the basics reliably.
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@Winger said in TRC: Pumas v All Blacks:
Not the best game. Unlike many I wasn't that impressed with Reece. Whereas Jordie playing out of position was OK. For the RWC Jordie is a better selection than Reece
B Barrett had a good game. I also thought Ben Smith did ok. But I would have him on the wing and Jordie at FB if both start.
My view is Perenara should have started this game
J Barrett was absolute, utter garbage. And he keeps serving this kind of performance up for the ABs. I'm starting to get really annoyed by his face. I think i want to punch it. Now I understand that whole arc in Step Brothers.
@shark said in TRC: Pumas v All Blacks:
@Winger said in TRC: Pumas v All Blacks:
Not the best game. Unlike many I wasn't that impressed with Reece. Whereas Jordie playing out of position was OK. For the RWC Jordie is a better selection than Reece
B Barrett had a good game. I also thought Ben Smith did ok. But I would have him on the wing and Jordie at FB if both start.
My view is Perenara should have started this game
J Barrett was absolute, utter garbage. And he keeps serving this kind of performance up for the ABs. I'm starting to get really annoyed by his face. I think i want to punch it. Now I understand that whole arc in Step Brothers.
I'd like to punch that idiot Sam Casey from the Farming Show, too. They're a very smack-able pairing actually. Any of the Dunedin based Ferners heard the same thing I did re the Maccas incident and the bullshit explanation?
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@sparky said in TRC: Pumas v All Blacks:
The highlights:
Think you posted wrong there. The video shows the anthems then the Ref blowing full time.
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Thought josh Ioane had a mistake free debut. So that’s something.
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Dreadful game.
Was never on the plane to japan anyway, but Tuipulotu was anonymous.
Coltman might have the selectors looking at Harris again if he can’t nail his throws.
Outside our top 23, our depth is pretty thin.
@Billy-Tell said in TRC: Pumas v All Blacks:
Dreadful game.
Was never on the plane to japan anyway, but Tuipulotu was anonymous.
Coltman might have the selectors looking at Harris again if he can’t nail his throws.
Outside our top 23, our depth is pretty thin.
Coltman going Stevie Wonder with his darts was ugly No clear 3rd choice Hooker
ABs been showing signs of significant decline last 6-8 Test matches
The 2020 ABs will be essentially this latest squad selected plus Moody C Taylor S Barrett Mo'unga Goodhue + DMAC
Take out Ben Smith and BBB & suddenly All Blacks looking like they've got a glass chin
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@Machpants said in TRC: Pumas v All Blacks:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in TRC: Pumas v All Blacks:
Just watched the Ardie shoulder charge incident again. Disgraceful. Happened right in front of Gardner and he just waved it on. Could very easily have led to a try.
Have you got a time stamp?
51:00 exactly.
@Rancid-Schnitzel yeah I think they may have been fortunate that passage of play went on for numerous more phases and nothing of consequence happened otherwise it would well have been abit of an issue for the Argie.
Thought for the most part, Angus was pretty good though, missed a few things as all refs do, although didnt really impact the way the game was moving at the time.
BOth of our wings struggled to get into the game, Reece poor on defence but can catch, Jordie cant catch but can tackle.
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@Winger said in TRC: Pumas v All Blacks:
Not the best game. Unlike many I wasn't that impressed with Reece. Whereas Jordie playing out of position was OK. For the RWC Jordie is a better selection than Reece
B Barrett had a good game. I also thought Ben Smith did ok. But I would have him on the wing and Jordie at FB if both start.
My view is Perenara should have started this game
J Barrett was absolute, utter garbage. And he keeps serving this kind of performance up for the ABs. I'm starting to get really annoyed by his face. I think i want to punch it. Now I understand that whole arc in Step Brothers.
@shark said in TRC: Pumas v All Blacks:
@Winger said in TRC: Pumas v All Blacks:
Not the best game. Unlike many I wasn't that impressed with Reece. Whereas Jordie playing out of position was OK. For the RWC Jordie is a better selection than Reece
B Barrett had a good game. I also thought Ben Smith did ok. But I would have him on the wing and Jordie at FB if both start.
My view is Perenara should have started this game
J Barrett was absolute, utter garbage. And he keeps serving this kind of performance up for the ABs. I'm starting to get really annoyed by his face. I think i want to punch it. Now I understand that whole arc in Step Brothers.
I'm sure if he was playing for the crusaders you would think differently.
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@Rancid-Schnitzel yeah I think they may have been fortunate that passage of play went on for numerous more phases and nothing of consequence happened otherwise it would well have been abit of an issue for the Argie.
Thought for the most part, Angus was pretty good though, missed a few things as all refs do, although didnt really impact the way the game was moving at the time.
BOth of our wings struggled to get into the game, Reece poor on defence but can catch, Jordie cant catch but can tackle.
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But some of the passes weren't the best. For example Coles should held on to the ball not shuffled out a pass. In general there was too much of this from the ABs
@Winger these guys are professional rugby players, they should not be shelling that many.
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Well, that was, um, something.
As a club game it was pretty good. As a test match it was dogshit.
Positives. Defensively we were pretty good. The new kids were trusted with winning a tight one, and did. And the scrum.
On the other side? Fuuuck. Headless fucking rubbish. If the game plan was no game plan, then we stuck to it with relish. Shit passes to guys in bad positions. Mistake after mistake. The midfield unit was a disaster. The attack was as disjointed as is possible to be. What the fuck was that 2nd half?
Fifita surely played his way out of the team, worst player on the field. JBarrett makes so many dumb errors. That was ALBs worst game of 2019. Retallic kept giving away dumb penalties. We are so very poor as a team kicking from hand.
So at least we won and no one got hurt?
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Well I enjoyed that, first game of the year missing a number of stars against an Argie side who are no longer pushovers at home, it was always going to be close.
Bit rusty in execution but overall I think we did reasonably well. BB was great as too Savea and Retallick. Scrum held up well. Good to see Coles and Cane back. Jordie had a few errors but definitely worth persevering with for his boot and potential with his height. Newbies weren't over awed and gained some valuable close test match experience. Thought Gardner controlled the game beautifully, great communication with his assistants and let the game flow without missing much.
We'll be a lot better next game, Puma's are going to rue this missed opportunity for a long time, especially Sanchez missing that last penalty.
